Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Adirondack lean-tos
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billconner |
Very different from Ice Age Trail at Kettle Moraine North - heavily used. |
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billconner |
The maps that the DEC publishes are pretty good at indicating lean-tos, and on line as pdfs. And there are a lot. |
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Swampturtle |
paddler1953: "The use of a bivy sack is allowed in all NYS shelters (AKA: lean-tos) be they in the Adirondacks, Catskills or anywhere else in the state. The reasoning behind not allowing tents in lean-tos was explained to me as this: when you set up a tent in a lean-to, you're potentially taking shelter away from someone who is depending on the lean-to space for sleeping. Of course, I don't think anyone should ever "depend" on having a spot in a lean-to but if you fill them with a tent(s), there's no room left at the inn for latecomers. Hope that makes sense as I'm not sure I'm explaining it properly. This is correct. You can use a bivy for the reasons stated, a bivy may raise the R value a few degrees depending on the make/style. Mine has helped me with the wind chill or when the temps dropped. Yes, the lean-to's with higher traffic may tend to have more critters (mice, {ants & flies in Summer}). When I started out tripping, even though I carried a tent, I valued a lean-to for shelter especially when it would rain for a week or more. After more than a few incidents of mice running over my face or biting at my tears in the middle of a sleepless night, I shied away from them as a useful destination. Why do the smallest things make the greatest noise in the dark? Now, years later, my trips may be a blend of visiting both regular campsites & lean-tos if available. I value the less traveled lean-to's that are not able to be accessed by hikers as some of their perches are truly magnificent. I have only encountered visitors thru hiking or asking to use the thunderbox. I have never had someone asking to share a lean-to I was already occupying. In the past, my thinking was if someone was in need, I would share...now that we are dealing with a pandemic, not so much..unless it was an emergency and since I always have a tent, I might just go elsewhere. This site has a decent listing of lean-to's in NY. what was that? |
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Swampturtle |
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Swampturtle |
Swampturtle: "The site I had listed for lean tos was corrupted so I deleted it, holy cow. Let me see if I can find the site again. " Weird stuff attached to what was a nice interactive site for lean to's, so I won't share it. Here is another source. There are pictures, locations & a lively discussion on this site: ADK forum |
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ockycamper |
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billconner |
I suspect winter where there is little use, the 150 is not often enforced. Was looking at diy tyvek bivys, and agree on venting moisture. Will probably take tent but try to sleep in lean with a thin blanket over my head, like I do in tent, and assume (wish?) no wildlife. Perhaps hang food a ways from lean-to. |
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R1verrunner |
It is a slim barrier but laying out in the open does seem to embolden predatory black bears and others. Do predators attack people in tents yes. But there are plenty of cases of where people sleeping out in the open have been attack. If one looks at the way a predatory black bear attacks laying out in the open gives them a better chance to prey test. Then someone laying in a tent. I have slept in the open, leans , tents snow caves and other places. I prefer a modern tent. |
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Swampturtle |
billconner: "Thanks! It seems solo in winter with rarely used lean-tos that a bivy might be a good choice. They are decent, but I feel they are not as updated as I'd like in a timely manner as I know of newer lean tos not listed. A breathable style bivy is preferred as otherwise you end up with lots of moisture around you. Not supposed to cook in a lean to either...but people do it. I call shenanigans on black bears attacking people out here in the open for whatever reason, what is this thread about? Enjoy your safe snow cave, sounds like a den to me. |
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ockycamper |
Practice leave no trace and all is good. We kept the food in bear vaults and put trash back in the bear vaults when done with the food so critters were not an issue. |
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L.T.sully |
All this said, most of the ADKs 100Ft off a trail is extremely primative and you will have it to yourself. |
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Swampturtle |
billconner: "There is the issue of tenting and DEC rules saying at least 150' from water, lean-tos (which are usually right on the water if any), and trails. Silent on hanging near (or in) lean-tos, best I can tell. The 150' rule is fairly new compared to how long these sites have been in use. As they are retiring campsites that are over used, they are starting to move new campsites farther back into the woods and applying the rule. The existing campsites were "grandfathered in" & like you mentioned right on the water. Around the same time, Lean-to's weren't going to be replaced once they fell into disrepair due to budget cuts. There was an outcry & teams of volunteers have come together to be the stewards in tandem with the State. ADK Lean-to info Natural atlas |
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billconner |
Sleep in open lean-to or set up tent 150' or further away? I've always felt the critter protection of tents was more psychology than fact (insects exception) but psychology counts. In freezing and sub zero temps, different issues arise, though i have doubted a plain modern tent adds much warmth. I've wondered uf a bivvy is considered a tent, or is it allowed. Thoughts? |
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butthead |
butthead |
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paddler1953 |
That's all for now. Take care and until next time...be well. snapper |
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billconner |
As far as vermin, I've heard that but the shelters I've seen around this corner seem very rarely used, and not infested. |