Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Old Timers Question
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Basspro69 |
OneMatch: "This is always an interesting and frustrating topic for me. Regardless of what we do, there is waste. Is it better to put it in a landfill (which is becoming a constant problem for municipalities large and small) or is it better to burn, not only putting more CO2 and toxins in the atmosphere but also crap in the fire grate which will seep into the surrounding ground and water?That is very true , but I prefer the stuff to be away in a landfill as opposed to the atmosphere or the Boundary Waters . |
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bhouse46 |
Good post to reflect on what I do moving forward. |
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tr3a |
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Scout64 |
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PeaceFrog |
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inspector13 |
Back in the mid 1980’s it became illegal to burn trash in Minnesota. 88.171 OPEN BURNING PROHIBITIONS. Subd. 8.Garbage. (a) No person shall conduct, cause, or permit open burning of discarded material resulting from the handling, processing, storage, preparation, serving, or consumption of food, unless specifically allowed under section 17.135. (Farmer’s exemption) (b) A county may allow a resident to conduct open burning of material described in paragraph (a) that is generated from the resident's household if the county board by resolution determines that regularly scheduled pickup of the material is not reasonably available to the resident. I think cities started prohibiting it first, but I remember everyone having their own burn barrel in the city in the 1960’s. |
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maxxbhp |
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OneMatch |
I don't have an answer but we may be leaving no trace by packing it out, but we aren't really leaving no trace when it goes into a landfill. I once heard a good quote about throwing things away. "There is no such place as 'away' " |
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PineKnot |
inspector13: " Oh, man. That brings back vivid memories of me as a kid in the early 1970's....we had a rusted old burn barrel in our backyard in Marshall, MN. Dad made me and my brother grab any burnable garbage, and with boots on trudge out to the barrel to burn the stuff....sucked when windy as it was hard to get stuff started with regular matches....I don't recall ever using a lighter as nobody smoked in our house.... |
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JWilder |
OneMatch: "This is always an interesting and frustrating topic for me. Regardless of what we do, there is waste. Is it better to put it in a landfill (which is becoming a constant problem for municipalities large and small) or is it better to burn, not only putting more CO2 and toxins in the atmosphere but also crap in the fire grate which will seep into the surrounding ground and water? This is exactly what I have been thinking about! In either case, it still EXISTS. Whether here, there or wherever. It is still on our planet. Just in various forms... JW |
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bwcadan |
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inspector13 |
PineKnot: "inspector13: " Once I was told to throw out a sack of onions that started to mold after the trash burned down some. I never knew it could have smelled so good as it "cooked" away. |
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Spartan2 |
pamonster: "I remember in the 90's living in Effingham, Il people still burned their leaves in the road! We live in a rural area just outside a very small town in Michigan. And people do still burn their leaves in the road. We have a cemetery just across the road from our home, and each fall the caretakers rake the leaves into the paths and have huge bonfires. Because leaves and grasses are my main allergy, I have to stay indoors and even indoors you can smell it if there is a south wind. Last fall my husband asked them to not burn when the wind was carrying the smoke right at our house. (He spreads our leaves on the vegetable garden and then he works them into the soil in the spring.) Lots of burning barrels still in the country, too. Never have appreciated the smell of burning garbage, myself. |
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PineKnot |
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Basspro69 |
AndySG: "Of the nearly two billion tons of garbage produced worldwide each year, nearly half of it is burned for disposal. I don't endorse burning trash, but sadly, what we do in this country has little impact on the problem. The atmosphere is not local, it global, and a global approach to clean air is needed to preserve the planet's life support system."+ 1 million |
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pamonster |
Spartan2: "pamonster: "I remember in the 90's living in Effingham, Il people still burned their leaves in the road! Ugh that's a bummer. At least they don't do it every week or something like that! Definitely lots of burn barrels and burn piles all over the country here (Iowa) too! But this was in town, a city park was on the other side of the street from us. People would do it between parked cars if they happened to be in front of their house, it was weird. |
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jhb8426 |
pamonster: "Next question; 1500 miles south of Ely Mn places you somewhere in the Gulf of Mexico. Are you a sentient aquatic species? " Profile sez... City: Walls State: Mississippi |
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AndySG |
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Unas10 |
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butthead |
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schweady |
bhouse46: "Anyone remember melting plastic milk bottles over an open fire to watch the burning pieces drip?..." I always volunteered for trash burning duty as a kid. Hi-lex bleach bottles were the best. Rolled em up on a stout stick as it melted for quite the torch. Each drip made a loud 'zwoop' sound and flared the brightest blue. |
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Captn Tony |
schweady: "bhouse46: "Anyone remember melting plastic milk bottles over an open fire to watch the burning pieces drip?..." It’s alot of fun until the burning plastic lands on your head!! |
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Spartan2 |
When we first started canoe-tripping in '71, the "rule" was that all containers had to be reusable or burnable. We burned all food packaging. It was what you were supposed to do. We never used an outfitter, but we certainly did pack our food in burnable containers, and after use they were burned. As with most things ecological, ideas and good practices evolved. For years we still burned everything, even plastics. And as we learned more, watched the LNT videos, packed differently, the burning of trash was cut down. After they made the rule of "no burning of trash", our ways changed. And our pack then included a trash bag to pack out all of that stuff. If you go back to the "really olden days", long before WE ever heard of the canoe country, campers used to take food in cans and sink the cans in the lake. It was accepted practice. Times have changed. We know more. Some of us care more. |
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Northwoodsman |
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podgeo |
Last year me and my trip partner had the FS come into camp and re-dig the latrine and while talking to them they said they were doing campsite maintenance checking latrines and fire grates. My buddy asked what they do with the fire grates when they replace them. We were told that they try and carry them out or stash if they know if they are coming back in the winter. Or if on bigger water there flat out said they deep 6 them right into the lake |
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paddlinjoe |
OneMatch: "This is always an interesting and frustrating topic for me. Regardless of what we do, there is waste. Is it better to put it in a landfill (which is becoming a constant problem for municipalities large and small) or is it better to burn, not only putting more CO2 and toxins in the atmosphere but also crap in the fire grate which will seep into the surrounding ground and water? I hear your frustration OneMatch. My brain took an odd turn to Science Fiction when thinking about your comments. SciFi movies often predict or project future technologies and possibilities. But I'm not aware of many SciFi movies that don't include the "old scrap yard" with piles of junk. It's like dealing with junk/trash usefully is a box we can't even project ourselves out of in the future. That said I think(hope?) mining old and current landfills (for metals, fertilizers, chemicals, soil, etc) will become a useful enough industry in the future to be restorative. |
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TuscaroraBorealis |
OneMatch: ""There is no such place as 'away' "" So true. |
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schweady |
Captn Tony: "schweady: "bhouse46: "Anyone remember melting plastic milk bottles over an open fire to watch the burning pieces drip?..." :-) You actually had to hold it up over the burn barrel flames to keep it just the right temperature for the best colors... |
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pamonster |
Next question; 1500 miles south of Ely Mn places you somewhere in the Gulf of Mexico. Are you a sentient aquatic species? |
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pamonster |
jhb8426: "pamonster: "Next question; 1500 miles south of Ely Mn places you somewhere in the Gulf of Mexico. Are you a sentient aquatic species? " Damn, I had my hopes up for a sec |
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LindenTree |
Captn Tony: "schweady: "bhouse46: "Anyone remember melting plastic milk bottles over an open fire to watch the burning pieces drip?..." Or your hand, I still have a scar from burning those plastic jugs. Loved dripping the melting/burning plastic on my army men. |
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nctry |
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