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06/18/2025 10:37PM |
timatkn: "Windigo is an awesome place on Isle Royale. "
Yes it is. A great place for a celebratory photo after hiking 50 miles from Rock Harbor.
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06/25/2025 02:39PM |
Speckled: "Anyone come across any updates here?"
There's 'news' floating around that it was a father/son murder/suicide. No details.
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06/25/2025 07:23PM |
The victims are a father and son, though it’s not clear who died first.
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06/26/2025 10:14AM |
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06/26/2025 03:13PM |
Keweenaw County Medical Examiner Dr. Michael McAllister said the victims are a father and son, though it’s not clear who died first. The FBI investigation is incomplete and McAllister had no other information.
The (National Park Service) has asked the county not to release the decedents’ names at this time, as they believe that identifying the decedents could hamper the investigation by undermining efforts to assess the accuracy of information obtained through the investigation,” said Keweenaw County prosecutor Charles W. Miller. “The U.S. Attorney’s Office in Marquette has also communicated to me a belief that release of the names would interfere with ongoing law enforcement proceedings.”
Law enforcement regularly withholds details during ongoing criminal investigations, but multiple Michigan law enforcement officials told MLive the effort to conceal the identities is unusual.
McAllister said he completed death certificates for the victims June 24, and the cause and manner of death are listed as pending. Arrangements are being made for a Lansing-area funeral home to collect the remains, according to McAllister.
The National Park Service and Keweenaw County officials have so far released little information about the victims’ identities or the causes of death, stating only that there is an ongoing investigation and no further details are available.
The FBI verified its involvement June 12, the same day National Park Service officials released a statement confirming the victims had been identified, relatives were notified and there was “no known threat to the public.
Isle Royale conclusion
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06/22/2025 10:23PM |
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06/26/2025 07:12AM |
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06/12/2025 09:55PM |
tumblehome: "Jackfish: "RatherbeDuffing: "What type of protection?"
Condoms... one must take protection seriously."
Really inappropriate."
Considering the tragic context of this thread, I'm sorry that I must agree with tumblehome.
Jackfish, as a moderator of this site, you do tremendous work and are to be admired for the quality you maintain for this forum which has kept me engaged here for quite a number of years and has led me to a number of your advertisers. In doing so you have therefore set a "higher standard" for yourself so whereas others may have more leeway in a situation like this, I would expect that you as a moderator would want to reserve what I assume was an attempt at humor for more lighthearted discussions.
Sorry for the downer comment but the fact remains that two people are dead and that's what struck me when I first read your post. When I saw tublehome's reply, I felt compelled to chime in as well as respectfully as I could. Thanks.
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06/10/2025 05:04PM |
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06/15/2025 11:31PM |
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06/27/2025 03:55PM |
Thx for the laugh, that’s a classic. I’m about as political as a brick. How could what I posted be interpreted as being political. Guns kill people, and has been discussed here, in the hands of a mentally ill person are all too many times deadly. How is that thought political, never mind I don’t really care. Was a pretty feeble attempt at trying to look smart, or morally superior, I don’t know. Some people need that, usually people who are into politics. Blah…
Ok, maybe it’s more logical two men were killed in a tragic murder suicide on a remote campsite with a razor sharp tent stake….
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06/27/2025 05:10PM |
A Superior Death. Although the book is actually fiction, she was a park Ranger/LEO for Isle Royale National Park. She would travel around seasonally and write fiction books about her experiences there in different NP's. I haven't read this one but have read a few others, they are OK.
A Superior Death
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06/27/2025 05:36PM |
scat: "I read the FBI is handling the investigation and they are not real forthcoming with information. The only people who know what happened are dead so how much more investigating needs to be done, a motive but what's the point in that. Horrible incidents like this make me think if the one guy didn't have a gun with him this wouldn't have got as far as it did, a tragedy. A town by me one brother killed the other after an argument at a business they owned together. The one brother walked out to his car, got his gun, walked back in and shot his brother to death, 2 lives ruined forever. If he didn't have the gun maybe they would both end up with black eyes or whatever, but they would still be alive. "
same thing happened in tolono il
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06/27/2025 10:13PM |
scat: "Careful - Lest you get scolded for an ‘irresponsible attempt to insert personal political views into this situation’.
Thx for the laugh, that’s a classic. I’m about as political as a brick. How could what I posted be interpreted as being political. Guns kill people, and has been discussed here, in the hands of a mentally ill person are all too many times deadly. How is that thought political, never mind I don’t really care. Was a pretty feeble attempt at trying to look smart, or morally superior, I don’t know. Some people need that, usually people who are into politics. Blah…
Ok, maybe it’s more logical two men were killed in a tragic murder suicide on a remote campsite with a razor sharp tent stake….
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Yes scat. You definitely aren’t “political” on this site. Sorry they are coming for you. You are always the best here :)
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06/16/2025 07:24AM |
Just an FYI both of those threads are locked in Reddit with the message:
“ PLEASE KEEP THE CONVERSATION CIVIL.
Out of respect for the families of any potential victims I’m asking that all commenters stop speculating or spreading rumors. NPS will update all of us when they are able.
If you have relevant information please contact the park or appropriate agencies.
Any more legitimate reports on this post or issues with folks not remaining civil this thread will be locked.
Please re-familiarize yourselves with the rules on this sub Reddit before commenting or reporting posts.
” Posting links
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06/18/2025 04:47PM |
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06/27/2025 05:45PM |
OgemaBlackstone: "NEIowapaddler: "Listen don't play those childish games with me. Point out where ANYONE said not to ever take SSRIs or any other mind-altering drugs. Go figure, how could this trigger a rational thinking person."OgemaBlackstone: "Crappiekillah: "If its truly a murder involving a father and son,mental illness or substance abuse is the cause.A crazy person will find a way,just read the world news.Even in countries with strict firearm laws the crazies still find a way,just the suicide after part might not be as easy."BINGO!! And he drugs used to treat the mentally ill can cause violent behavior, such as suicide and homicide. Quit taking drugs like SSRIs and it modifies the problem. Yes, I know these mind-altering drugs help a lot of people. "
In case anyone who takes SSRIs is reading this, don't take medical advice from some random person on the Internet. Like any other drug, they have positive and negative aspects. I probably wouldn't be alive right now if it wasn't for one of these drugs. I also know that the wrong kind of SSRI can cause severe problems, because I experienced that myself. But telling people to quit taking them is highly irresponsible. We're all entitled to our opinions, but expressing those opinions isn't always the right thing to do. "
You literally said "quit taking SSRIs". It's right up there in this response chain, in case you've somehow forgotten what you wrote. The fact that you immediately resort to a personal attack when someone disagrees with something you wrote - by insinuating that I'm not rational - speaks volumes.
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06/11/2025 09:18AM |
RatherbeDuffing: "What type of protection?"
Condoms... one must take protection seriously.
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06/11/2025 10:52PM |
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06/11/2025 07:23AM |
NEIowapaddler: "This is why I always carry protection when camping. People are a far bigger threat than any animal in this part of the country. "
What type of protection?
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06/11/2025 09:30AM |
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06/11/2025 11:28AM |
Jackfish: "RatherbeDuffing: "What type of protection?"
Condoms... one must take protection seriously."
LOL! You never know! ??
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06/11/2025 03:43PM |
KawnipiKid: "timatkn: "We don’t really know for sure what happened yet do we? I mean the speculation so far seems reasonable, but so far it’s just speculation.
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Good reminder! Correct, we don't know what happened yet. I tried to keep it strictly to facts that were verified on the ground on the Isle by someone I know well and trust. "
Although it is speculation. KawnipiKid - your story does align with what was posted in the Isle Royale subreddit. Someone had posted about hearing a bunch of commotion in that area 2 days before the bodies were found.
All in all, it is sad to hear.
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06/11/2025 12:26PM |
timatkn: "We don’t really know for sure what happened yet do we? I mean the speculation so far seems reasonable, but so far it’s just speculation.
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Good reminder! Correct, we don't know what happened yet. I tried to keep it strictly to facts that were verified on the ground on the Isle by someone I know well and trust.
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06/11/2025 08:30PM |
RatherbeDuffing: "NEIowapaddler: "This is why I always carry protection when camping. People are a far bigger threat than any animal in this part of the country. "
What type of protection?"
I try to cover all the bases...
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06/23/2025 06:37AM |
BWPaddler: "I wish they would just confirm the cause of deaths officially."
Investigations usually are painstakingly slow and information that could affect families is carefully released…especially since it now involves the Feds/FBI.
But yea, they have to know the cause of death by now. It’s been 2 weeks. Haven’t released the identity nor the cause yet.
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06/12/2025 08:01AM |
Per recent news:
What we don't know:
The National Park Service has not confirmed a cause of death.
As of Wednesday afternoon, there was no update from the department.
What they're saying:
An FBI spokesperson issued a statement to FOX 2 confirming that FBI employees had been on the island, but added it did not mean the agency had begun a probe into the deaths.
"We routinely assist our law enforcement partners upon request; however, this does not necessarily result in the FBI opening an investigation. FBI policy prohibits the confirmation of the existence of investigations, the release of information on investigations and any public report on the closing on an investigation."
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06/12/2025 05:01PM |
Jackfish: "RatherbeDuffing: "What type of protection?"
Condoms... one must take protection seriously."
Really inappropriate.
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06/12/2025 05:37PM |
nps.gov
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06/28/2025 08:05AM |
NEIowapaddler: "OgemaBlackstone: " BINGO!! And he drugs used to treat the mentally ill can cause violent behavior, such as suicide and homicide. Quit taking drugs like SSRIs and it modifies the problem. Yes, I know these mind-altering drugs help a lot of people. "
You literally said "quit taking SSRIs". It's right up there in this response chain, in case you've somehow forgotten what you wrote. The fact that you immediately resort to a personal attack when someone disagrees with something you wrote - by insinuating that I'm not rational - speaks volumes. "
When you add the (clearly, to me) implied "If you" or "when you" before the "Quit taking", I think you will find a lot less to be karened over. Use of SSRIs is commonly associated with homicidal and suicidal ideation. Its literally on the label. Its a required discussion point for prescribing physicians. Pretty sure he means if you suddenly quit taking the medication cold turkey, it exacerbates the underlying problem. And in the case of most people, he would be correct. Quitting SSRIs (and many other CNS depressants) without a structured step-down is a high-likliehood way to present even stronger symptomology.
In any case, tragic story. People are crazy. Choose tripping/life/dance/whatever partners carefully. And sometimes you just lose, through no fault of your own, in a perceived cosmic injustice.
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06/25/2025 11:57AM |
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06/10/2025 11:36AM |
Two rangers hiked overnight 11 miles to the campground to assess the situation, arriving early Monday morning, confirming two unidentified persons found deceased. The causes of death are unknown at this time.
Additional ground and aviation resources responded starting Monday. The incident is currently under investigation. More information will be released as it is made available.
I have a pretty good idea what happened; however, it is not my place to say.
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06/10/2025 12:01PM |
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06/10/2025 06:19PM |
KawnipiKid: "A person I trust (and in a position to know) said that campers packed up and fled the Lake Desor South campground due to hearing a fight with sustained yelling and screaming including a male making violent threats (self harm and harm to others). The campers called 911 when they got a cell signal on the Greenstone Ridge Trail before reaching rangers near Windigo. Windigo to South Desor is about 12 miles. If confirmed that this is related to the deaths, it adds unthinkable tragedy upon the tragedy. "
Sounds like what I suspected a murder/suicide.
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06/10/2025 07:26PM |
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06/11/2025 08:46AM |
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06/15/2025 11:54AM |
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06/15/2025 10:44PM |
I appreciate CoachWalleye's comment of "lighten up, Francis" as a sort of show of support, but the comment about my "opinion ruling the day even when civil discussions are taking place" was off target. I should never be considered the final say. I'm just a board member like everyone else and I enjoy the daily questions, comments, responses and everyday back and forth banter.
I respect all of you and your opinions. I'll leave it at that.
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06/15/2025 11:19PM |
https://www.reddit.com/r/isleroyale/comments/1l5ti5e/comment/mwk8tla/
https://www.reddit.com/r/isleroyale/comments/1l5ti5e/screams_at_desor_south_on_6625
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06/17/2025 08:34PM |
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06/17/2025 10:12PM |
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06/26/2025 04:38PM |
Chieflonewatie: "scat: "I read the FBI is handling the investigation and they are not real forthcoming with information. The only people who know what happened are dead so how much more investigating needs to be done, a motive but what's the point in that. Horrible incidents like this make me think if the one guy didn't have a gun with him this wouldn't have got as far as it did, a tragedy. A town by me one brother killed the other after an argument at a business they owned together. The one brother walked out to his car, got his gun, walked back in and shot his brother to death, 2 lives ruined forever. If he didn't have the gun maybe they would both end up with black eyes or whatever, but they would still be alive. "
How do you know someone had a gun?"
I think were talking two different incidents here.
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06/26/2025 04:44PM |
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06/26/2025 03:33PM |
scat: "I read the FBI is handling the investigation and they are not real forthcoming with information. The only people who know what happened are dead so how much more investigating needs to be done, a motive but what's the point in that. Horrible incidents like this make me think if the one guy didn't have a gun with him this wouldn't have got as far as it did, a tragedy. A town by me one brother killed the other after an argument at a business they owned together. The one brother walked out to his car, got his gun, walked back in and shot his brother to death, 2 lives ruined forever. If he didn't have the gun maybe they would both end up with black eyes or whatever, but they would still be alive. "
How do you know someone had a gun?
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06/27/2025 06:12AM |
Crappiekillah: "If its truly a murder involving a father and son,mental illness or substance abuse is the cause.A crazy person will find a way,just read the world news.Even in countries with strict firearm laws the crazies still find a way,just the suicide after part might not be as easy."
Yes. Speculating that there was a gun involved, without evidence, and that this incident could have been prevented without it is an irresponsible attempt to insert personal political views into this situation. Even though it may not have been intended that way.
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06/27/2025 06:39AM |
Crappiekillah: "If its truly a murder involving a father and son,mental illness or substance abuse is the cause.A crazy person will find a way,just read the world news.Even in countries with strict firearm laws the crazies still find a way,just the suicide after part might not be as easy."BINGO!! And he drugs used to treat the mentally ill can cause violent behavior, such as suicide and homicide. Quit taking drugs like SSRIs and it modifies the problem. Yes, I know these mind-altering drugs help a lot of people.
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06/26/2025 05:24PM |
scat: "No, I was referring to this incident, assuming, which may be not correct, I guess we will have to wait and see. I still like my base point, which may have got lost. That’s ok, not looking for a fight."
no I just misread your statement fault
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06/27/2025 05:05AM |
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06/27/2025 06:15AM |
In my limited experience I also don’t think the FBI would be saying the cause of dearth is pending if there were gunshot wounds.
I don’t know if they will ever release the details?
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06/27/2025 06:57AM |
Ogema…just reading quickly through your message it does read like you are telling people to quit meds. CAREfully reading it I see you are not saying no that… the written word is tough… it’s probably hard for you to see how your message could be taken the wrong way, but it easily could for those of us not in your head…
Just trying to add perspective from another poster for us to all get along.
The hard part is if we were all sitting by a fire…one of us would say, “what did you just say” the other clarifies… then “Oh okay, I thought you meant something else” no argument…on the internet it turns bad quick
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06/27/2025 07:44AM |
Cheers, scat
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06/27/2025 06:44AM |
OgemaBlackstone: "Crappiekillah: "If its truly a murder involving a father and son,mental illness or substance abuse is the cause.A crazy person will find a way,just read the world news.Even in countries with strict firearm laws the crazies still find a way,just the suicide after part might not be as easy."BINGO!! And he drugs used to treat the mentally ill can cause violent behavior, such as suicide and homicide. Quit taking drugs like SSRIs and it modifies the problem. Yes, I know these mind-altering drugs help a lot of people. "
In case anyone who takes SSRIs is reading this, don't take medical advice from some random person on the Internet. Like any other drug, they have positive and negative aspects. I probably wouldn't be alive right now if it wasn't for one of these drugs. I also know that the wrong kind of SSRI can cause severe problems, because I experienced that myself. But telling people to quit taking them is highly irresponsible. We're all entitled to our opinions, but expressing those opinions isn't always the right thing to do.
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06/27/2025 06:52AM |
NEIowapaddler: "Listen don't play those childish games with me. Point out where ANYONE said not to ever take SSRIs or any other mind-altering drugs. Go figure, how could this trigger a rational thinking person.OgemaBlackstone: "Crappiekillah: "If its truly a murder involving a father and son,mental illness or substance abuse is the cause.A crazy person will find a way,just read the world news.Even in countries with strict firearm laws the crazies still find a way,just the suicide after part might not be as easy."BINGO!! And he drugs used to treat the mentally ill can cause violent behavior, such as suicide and homicide. Quit taking drugs like SSRIs and it modifies the problem. Yes, I know these mind-altering drugs help a lot of people. "
In case anyone who takes SSRIs is reading this, don't take medical advice from some random person on the Internet. Like any other drug, they have positive and negative aspects. I probably wouldn't be alive right now if it wasn't for one of these drugs. I also know that the wrong kind of SSRI can cause severe problems, because I experienced that myself. But telling people to quit taking them is highly irresponsible. We're all entitled to our opinions, but expressing those opinions isn't always the right thing to do. "
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06/27/2025 07:52AM |
the murder suicide happened. I can't imagine how it happens without a gun? That it was a father and son has totally surprised me. Now I also want to know their ages.
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06/27/2025 07:32AM |
timatkn: "Whoa fellas…I think ya both misread posts :) It happens.
Ogema…just reading quickly through your message it does read like you are telling people to quit meds. CAREfully reading it I see you are not saying no that… the written word is tough… it’s probably hard for you to see how your message could be taken the wrong way, but it easily could for those of us not in your head…
Just trying to add perspective from another poster for us to all get along.
The hard part is if we were all sitting by a fire…one of us would say, “what did you just say” the other clarifies… then “Oh okay, I thought you meant something else” no argument…on the internet it turns bad quick
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+1
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06/27/2025 10:33PM |
LindenTree: "Some of you who are into murder mystery novels may like this book by Nevada Barr.
A Superior Death. Although the book is actually fiction, she was a park Ranger/LEO for Isle Royale National Park. She would travel around seasonally and write fiction books about her experiences there in different NP's. I haven't read this one but have read a few others, they are OK.
A Superior Death "
I enjoyed the whole series by Barr. They did get kind of "formulaic" after a while, but I learned a lot with each park setting.