Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Fishing Forum :: Fishing Line / Swivel question
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Moonman |
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tcoeguy |
AmarilloJim: "I never worry about a snap with jigs. Takes about 20 seconds to tie a Palomar." AmarilloJim- Tying a palomar knot is fairly quick and easy when it is a single hook or small jig. But direct tying using a palomar with a larger lure (5" swimbait, crankbait, topwater, etc) seems cumbersome, because don't you have to slide the bait through loop? Or am I tying wrong? |
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Basspro69 |
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AmarilloJim |
tcoeguy: "AmarilloJim: "I never worry about a snap with jigs. Takes about 20 seconds to tie a Palomar." If you're using baits that big, just use a snap. |
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moustachesteve |
I use the same setup of braid > swivel > leader with super small diameter 2-8lb braid for ice fishing and clinch knots have not failed me yet, even with angel-hair diameter Clam Frost Ice braid. Granted I'm not fishing anything bigger than walleye/bass using these small diameters in this application. I use heavier setups akin to my summer tackle for lake trout. Regarding the snap swivel causing issues with action I'm skeptical as well unless the swivel is way oversized compared to the bait. Usually you want the freedom of movement provided by a snap or loop knot to let the plug run uninhibited rather than tying direct. I don't mean to patronize, but have you tried tuning your baits? Perhaps they're simply out of tune. |
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mutz |
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moustachesteve |
If you suspect that the snap swivel is affecting your action, why not run braid > swivel > mono or fluoro leader > lure? That way you get the benefits of the swivel and no snap to affect action. |
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tcoeguy |
There are however downsides to it. They are pain to change out lures because of the palomar knot that's required. So I use a swivel for quick lure change. I have seen a problem with this lately though. The last couple years I have been using a lot more swim baits. The ones with the paddle tails, such as the Storm swim baits or the 360GT. But I have noticed that those baits don't swim well using the swivel. I see a lot of sideways or improper swimming. My guess is that these are designed for a direct tie to the bait. I could be wrong??? So I looking for solutions to this problem. Do I need to start using a different fishing line, such as fluorocarbon, and direct tying my lures? Or is there another quick change solution other than using a swivel? I would love some feedback. Thanks!! |
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AmarilloJim |
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thegildedgopher |
-Jigs get tied direct. -Spoons and Crankbaits that wobble get just a snap. -Anything that spins gets snap/swivel combo at the terminal end -Jigging spoons I'll tie an inline barrel swivel 1-2 feet up to prevent line twist. I run mostly braid with flour leaders and make that connection with the double uni knot. Almost everything else gets a Palomar. It's just convenient/easy, and works well on both flouro and braid. Don't be afraid to make a BIG loop when you're tying on a long crankbait with trebles. And forget to spit all over that thing before cinching it down. |
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marc24 |
Personally, mono only goes on a spool for topwater which I take an interchangeable spool for a spinning reel when I go canoe fishing . One mans opinion of course |
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tcoeguy |
Has anyone else noticed improper swimming using swivels? Any remedy? Is direct tying the way to go? |
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cyclones30 |
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tcoeguy |
moustachesteve: "I can only speak from my own experience but from a line diameter point of view I've had no issues using clinch knots at all. For open water summer applications I don't see why you'd use less than 15-20lb braid anyway since its equivalent line diameter is something like 6lb mono and you avoid line-shy issues by using the leader after the swivel. You might be on to something with the oversized snap swivel. I am pretty much just self-taught, so I could very well be doing something wrong. It is very possible that I was just using an incorrect type or wrong size of snap swivel. I have mostly seen the issues with small (3 to 4 inch) soft swim baits. But based on the suggestions from here and others I am going to try a couple new things for 2020. Braided line to swivel to fluoro leader to lure for all soft baits, including the small swim baits I had issues with. And switch to snap for crankbaits. |
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taoeatoat |
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mrballast |
Powerpro superslick, 20lb, 6lb eq. 2ft, 20 lb flouro leader with surgeon knot or barrel swivel. I tie direct for spinners and soft baits, and snap* for cranks. Palomar to lures exclusively, because it is easier. I ONLY use a leader due to pike gill plates. I often get lazy and dont even do that. To avoid rock frays, retie often and pull off about a foot of tag, if fishing close to bottom. *snap without swivel when I am swithching lures often. I may have missed something, but if the only problem with a palomar is lure size, tie to hook or jighead first, then put on the plastic. Also...I use palomar with the big taildancers and such...just a couple more seconds needed. Again, bigger loop, more tag removed, more frays eliminated. |
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AmarilloJim |
tcoeguy: "Based on what trusted people have told me, I have only used palomar knots for Power Pro line. After your suggestion, I googled using clinch knots with braided line and results were mixed. Some say it works just fine and some say to never use a clinch knot with braided line. Depends on the line diameter. Thinner than probably 15 or 20 pound should need a Palomar. You may need a few extra wraps in your clinch. |