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michiganmike
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06/01/2015 06:24PM  
Ok so I'm prepping for my trip into the boundary waters. Very excited.

Only issue is that I've read a ton on here and if I carried everything everyone said is a must have I'd need a Sherpa of giant portions to help me lug just my tackle.

So what I would like is help tweaking my list a bit. I'm going in less than 2 weeks and am entering EP 37 Lake Kawishiwi and exiting EP 27 Snowbank. Walleye would be #1 target. Small mouth would be #2 I go to this species if I've caught the walleye I plan to eat and now want to have more fun. Pike would be a #3 if I get to this I failed at #1 and #2 and just need to catch something. Lake Trout aren't on my radar.

I'm trying to go light so I've tried to narrow everything down to small numbers.

First I guess I'll cover the stuff I already have and plan on bringing.

- Ugly Stick GX2 7' 2 piece Medium Action
- Cabela's FE2500X
- PowerPro 30lb Yellow
- PowerPro 30lb Moss Green
- Rapala J9 Gold x2
- Cabela's Tub Binder
- 1/2lb Live Leeches (each of the 6 of us will have a 1/2lb)
- 24 Crawlers (each of the 6 of us will have 24)

Now the things I'm thinking about not sure.

- Rapala HJ12 Gold
- Heddon Lucky 13 Bullfrog
- Berkley Gulp Alive Pint Leech 3"
- Strike King Redfish Magic Zulu Blue Glimmer 4 count x4 (16 total)
- Assorted Slip Bobbers
- Black 1/8 oz Jighead 25 count
- Black 1/4 oz Jighead 25 count
- Gamakatsu EWG 1/0 Worm Hook Red 25 count
- Gamakatsu Octopus Red Size 4 10 count
- Gamakatsu Octopus Red Size 6 10 count
- Assorted Split Shot
- Assorted Weight For Texas Rig

So anything I missed? Any quantities you'd change? Any thing you'd leave off the list?

 
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chrisinomaha
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06/01/2015 07:43PM  
Just out of curiosity, if you are bringing 1/2 lb of leeches for yourself, why bother with the gulp leech stuff? For me, live bait is always better than an imitation. I bring 3/8 and 1/2 oz jigs. We do use 3in twister tails as well, bring assorted colors and not much weight. If you get in any sort of wind that is more than a gentle breeze, it is very hard to keep them on bottom when drifting without letting out a bunch of line with lighter jig heads. We do tip them with live bait. Black or orange is what we do the best on, but it is never both. Other colors work well too. Is someone in your group bringing a different color or colors? Maybe you can talk them into getting different colors and you can swap some out. Experiment a bit and find out what they are hitting. We always go for a week, and 10-15 is more than enough of each. If you are going to jig a bunch, I would also recommend some small black swivels. It helps with the line twist from jigging. I would also recommend some floating jig heads. Once you locate the walleye, you can get out of the canoe and fish from the shore. You can use slip bobbers and or floaters. Put a large split shot 2 feet from the floating jig head. Put on a leech and cast it out. If you don't get a bite in a min or two, lift up your rod tip and work it back to shore. Bring it back a few feet at a time while letting it sit still for 30 seconds or so. We do very well that way. Good luck and let us know how you do.
 
TeamTuna06
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06/01/2015 08:46PM  
If you're looking to go light I'd reduce the 1/4oz jigs...my thought is that I always use the lightest weight that I can get away with. Unless you're in heavy current you should be good with 1/8oz. Just a thought.

Also think about a search/trolling bait for the walleyes & smallies. I'd recommend minnow rap or shad rap in a bright color for the walleyes. Plus you'd be surprised what you get...my buddy caught a 21.5"/5.75lb. smallie on a minnow rap trolling last week just outside the Q.

Maybe a spinnerbait or two for the bass.
 
michiganmike
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06/01/2015 09:28PM  
The gulp leeches are for if I run out of live leeches or if for some reason I have a die off.
 
06/01/2015 11:21PM  
quote michiganmike: "
- PowerPro 30lb Yellow
- PowerPro 30lb Moss Green
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Why such heavy line? Are you going to use long mono leaders with it?. I generally fish with 4 or 6 lbs mono w/o any issues. On my trip over the long weekend I was the only one catching any fish and part of it was IMO that my trip mates were using really heavy line.
 
06/01/2015 11:35PM  
I think your on the right track. I would add the items in your "thinking about list" starting at the Zulu's and ending at the split shot. I'm also on the same page as brux, the 30lb line is way overkill, 6lb is fine or maybe 8 if you'd feel more comfortable.
 
SummerSkin
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06/01/2015 11:54PM  
When I look over your list I really don't see THAT much. Are you going to be base camping? I would probably bring in a little bit more than what you've listed if it were me. Outside the live bait and your rod, everything else would probably fit in a small tackle box.

I would add a few more rapalas and a couple spinner baits as had already been suggested.

When it comes to bringing tackle on a trip like this, as my wife says when she packs 8 outfits for a 3-day trip: "I like options."
 
michiganmike
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06/02/2015 04:50AM  
Thanks everyone.

I'm not base camping so that's part of why so light.

The line is braided. 30lb is the same diameter as 8lb. I went with it to avoid leaders. With so little tackle I don't want to lose a bunch of it to pike. In my experience fishing around here a 30lb power pro (8lb diameter) stops most bite offs if you watch for fraying and retie once it starts happening. I also don't notice a difference in number of fish. After all its the same size as 8lb just rated higher.

 
pastorjsackett
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06/02/2015 06:58AM  
I just returned from my first trip. I used only a fraction of the lures I lugged in...but I still did not have an adequate selection of jigs. Needed more colors and weights.

Also, my brother in law was adding GULP grubs to his leech presentation for a little more color and scent and he was doing well with that.

I don't think you are carrying too much here, but I am no expert....
 
Basspro69
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06/02/2015 08:01AM  
quote michiganmike: "The gulp leeches are for if I run out of live leeches or if for some reason I have a die off."
Good idea !
 
mastertangler
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06/02/2015 08:18AM  
I'm with summer skin, even on a travel trip that's not that much stuff unless fishing is just an occasional afterthought.

But let's get to the more serious matters........30 lb power pro? Seriously? Yellow to boot? What are you thinking? I fish 30 lb power pro for big snook and redfish.

You claim you want the heavier line to prevent bite offs.......guess again. Once power pro gets nicked it comes apart. A big pike will go through your braid without much problem. Ever wonder why guys fishing big pike and musky who are using 100 lb braid still use leaders of either steel or floro?

OK.........do you want to catch some fish? Do you not want to have a hassle? Until you become experienced with using lighter braid.......and I mean in real time on local lakes.....you should seriously consider going with mono. Capiche?

You will need 2 line classes........6 lb for your leeches and 8 lb for your lures. The line I suggest is trilene green XT..........just get it and you can thank me later. Your knots will tie up very nicely with this and hold well. Bad knots cost guys the majority of fish. With XT wetting your knots before tightening is mandatory. Never tighten knots quickly......just nice and steady pulls........then the all important knot check. Did it break? Good thing you checked it! Try again.......

As per leaders........sometimes I go a whole 2 week trip fishing straight mono without getting nipped off. And other times I get nipped off twice in one day. Much depends on your style of fishing. Get some QUALITY titanium steel leaders. Don't go overboard on the lb test. #20 is fine and it's nice and skinny and won't hurt you as far as getting bites goes. The titanium is the ticket as it doesn't bend and kink and one can last the whole trip if you don't snag it or break it off.

I get that part of the satisfaction of fishing is doing things your own way. Believe me I get it. But your heading down the path of disappointment with the heavy braid.
 
KerryG
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06/02/2015 08:42AM  
MT, I don't get the problem with 30# braid. I use 30# 832 all the time. It seems very versatile for casting and trolling. Small diameter, knots tie tight ...
Also, it seems to me its not the big pike that are a danger to bite you off but rather the small ones because the big ones have lots of room between each tooth whereas the wee ones have mouths like little sabre saws.
 
michiganmike
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06/02/2015 08:52AM  
As far as the braid goes I'm familiar with braid. I use it at home all the time. The high vis-yellow is for top water. It allows me to see the bite better at times and I haven't see a ton of evidence that it bothers the fish.

The bite offs I know you get. Its going to happen if you don't use a leader. My experience, and your mileage may vary, is that if I watch my braided line and retie once its nicked I haven't loss many lures using it when not targeting pike in pike waters.

IE if I'm only occasionally getting one while trying for bass or walleye and exam the line near the lure every fish. I catch the fraying when it happens retie and I'm good. When it frays I normally get that fish to the boat.

With Mono (although I haven't used XT) my experience has been if they nick it its gone. I don't get that one fish in ability.

My experience with people having issues with braided is that they don't tie the knots right (you absolutely have to wet braided). That they have opened hooks and don't address that the knot of their light braid (they use true 8lb at a 1 or 2lb diameter or less) can slip right off the hook.

Or they don't watch for the fray. Once you get fray you HAVE to retie.

Those of you who are pro mono whats the advantage? Visibility? I'm seriously asking maybe I'm missing something.

My worry which seems to be opposite of some here isn't the line as much as the tackle. Should I haul a variety of weight and colors of jigs or will the back in the weight I use most around here see me through? Sounds like the consensus here is variety.

I plan on 90% of my cast being live bait while I have it.

Of the remaining 10% I plan on it being the plastics. I fish hard baits very seldom at home and don't expect to start using them a ton on a trip with unfamiliar waters. So I'll up my Rapalas and get a shad rap or two in there just in case. Sounds like you guys think I'd like them. I just know my confidence is in plastics and live bait so I want most of my tackle to be target to that.

Thanks for the feed back. Keep it coming I love having advice of those that have been there.
 
dpreiner21
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06/02/2015 11:02AM  
quote michiganmike:
Those of you who are pro mono whats the advantage? Visibility? I'm seriously asking maybe I'm missing something. "


Visibility is the main reason for me. I have had bad luck jigging walleyes with braid and a lot more success with mono. Maybe its just that I have far more confidence which makes my presentation better when using mono... but I am a firm believer in light mono (4lb-8lb) when it comes to walleye and trout.

Pike and smallies you could probably catch with 200 lb para-cord. They are far less finicky, more aggressive and a lot easier to catch.

Just my opinion and preference though.
 
aburgs129
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06/02/2015 11:32AM  
If you're jig fishing, a GOOD sensitive rod (medium, fast or extra-fast) with 6 or 8 lb braid cannot be beat as far as sensitivity. (by GOOD rod, i mean something $80+. for the rod, not a combo)

Even a cheaper rod with light braid is going to be far more sensitive than any mono will, as far as being able to feel the bottom or the soft "tick" on the drop that walleyes are famous for. The only way I've ever been able to feel that with mono is using a rod that costs north of $150. Granted other conditions make it tough ( wind, weeds, etc) but walleyes love the wind.

That said, don't be afraid to go to the rough, wind blown end of a lake and cast close to shore. That's where the most and biggest fish will be.

Bring some 1/8th ounce swim jig heads and 4" berkley ripple shads. I've been KILLING it with those things all spring. In that clear water up there, probably fire tiger and a natural minnow color will do well.

sorry, that got kinda long :/

 
mastertangler
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06/02/2015 11:38AM  
Good conversation.........I'm enjoying it.

The braid vs mono debate rages on. My bad......when I think of yellow braid for anything other than offshore trolling or kite fishing I think of someone who is new to fishing. So the question is from someone who is already well versed in using braid.

Lots of things to consider. One of my main outfits while I spent 9 days trolling on Basswood was 30 lb power pro. I had previously spooled up with suffix 832 on the advice of another fellow canoe country fisherman. Pop goes the weasel......I am a ruthless tester of knots and found the 832 inferior IMHO to power pro.

The 30 braid was for trolling some of the larger crankbaits I am fond of using. And it did well for me for that application.

But what was clearly demonstrated to me, on that trip at least, was that 8lb mono took lots more big walleyes and lakers than the braid.

Here's the deal........because you catch fish on heavy braid (yellow to boot) proves nothing. What you don't know is how many big fish turned away from your offering because something alerted them that "the jig was up" (pardon the pun).

What I have learned by fishing offshore party boats with up to 40 other anglers on board is that presentation is king. 3/4 of the guys are standing around while 10% of the guys are on fire and reeling them in one after another. If those better anglers hadn't been on board the wanna be anglers would think that there were no fish around or they weren't biting.



 
michiganmike
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06/02/2015 12:06PM  
I do on occasion use mono. More or less I feel like I loose less lures on braid so since I'm not planning on bringing much in the way of lures I'm going the route I feel like I know won't drop them as often.

However knots can be tricky and if not done right or with inferior brands you will loose to them.

Now back to other tackle..


Would you rather have plenty black 1/8 and 1/4 or a variety back of color and size knowing that even if you find the magic combo you probably only have 3 or 4 of that particular one?
 
SummerSkin
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06/02/2015 12:52PM  
quote michiganmike: "Would you rather have plenty black 1/8 and 1/4 or a variety back of color and size knowing that even if you find the magic combo you probably only have 3 or 4 of that particular one?"


I would bring mostly black and then a few chartreuse and pink.
 
QUETHOUND
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06/02/2015 01:52PM  
Are you bringing a spare spool? is that what the two 30lb lines are? I always bring a spare spool then i can set up a 12lb for trolling and a 6 for jigging. Having a break off is extremely rare trolling with 12. I love flourocarbon but you could put the 30 braided on one and mono on the other. If you go the flourocarbon route - spit on the knot before you tighten it, it reduces heat / friction that weakens the line. I'm with TeamTuna06 - the lightest jig head you can work with is usually the best. You'll save yourself from a ton of unnecessary snags too.
 
michiganmike
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06/02/2015 04:56PM  
Yes 2 spools is the plan.

So we have an array of opinions on lines and jig heads.

What about my plastics?

What about my hard lures?
 
mastertangler
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06/02/2015 05:13PM  
I have given your post a bit more scrutiny. I still strongly believe your on the wrong track.

Leech bait fishing and 30 power pro don't belong in the same sentence. If you are intent on bringing braid I would fish 15 lb test tops. I would use a small spro barrel swivel and 2 ft piece of floro. Throw on a slip bobber which stops at your swivel and your set.

Your concerned about weight and yet are bringing a tub of gulp.......heavy! Your jig counts are 25 of each weight........why so many? I would be surprised if you lost 6 so double that number just to be safe.

You want to catch walleye which are fish eaters and yet you place little or no faith in crankbaits? How is that? You need some Berkley Frenzy crankbaits........one of the most inexpensive yet productive choices out there. Scrap the gulp leeches and get some crankbaits.........they will eat them and a nice change of pace from the passive bobber/jig fishing.

My leech set up is 8ft steelhead rod and 4lb green trilene XT. They don't think twice. Everything goes down nice and gentle and real natural like. The long rod is quite handy when it comes to feeding line through bobbers and then doubly handy for casts. Lots of forgiveness when fighting big fish as well.
 
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06/02/2015 05:13PM  
I use mono because it is somewhat forgiving. Fighting a fish from the stable bow of a bassboat is not the same as from a seated position in a canoe. As far as the other stuff, I don't take bait so I will leave it to the other guys to help(confuse) you.
 
michiganmike
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06/02/2015 06:39PM  
Alright so some chatting and debating and chatting and debating and this is what I'm thinking.

I'm not getting rid of the gulp. I'm buying a pint but will be repackaging them down to a couple of ziplock bags and not bringing the whole set. Although I will offer them to the others and see if anyone else wants some.

I am bringing a second setup. Same as the first. Except the first will have my fancy power pro line on it and the second I will spool a 6lb and an 8lb mono on. XT is what I'm hearing? You guys fill me in on this. I got 2 spools for this rod what lines are you putting on it.

I will be using my power line for my lures I only have a few of. I feel less likely to lose them on that.

I'll use the mono for my jigs and slip bobbers. Although I will probably attempt it with my power pro too just to see if I still catch as many when using braided. I'll report on my observations once I'm back. I'm just not confinced yet that your 8lb green mono disappears and my same diameter green braid spooks the fish. But results are results and maybe I'll be converted after this trip.

Not a bass boat guy. Poor folk and all we fish out of a small john. Still different but also very different from the bass boat as well.

Hard lures. I'm going with:

Heddon Lucky 13 Bullfrog
Rapala J9 Gold x2
Rapala HJ12 Gold
Berkley Frenzy size color?

Anything else? We don't use them a ton around here because our lakes our mud filled with tons of weeds. You clean weeds off more than you fish so they aren't my confidence bait yet.

The Zulu stays. I'll bring 12 each of my jigs mentioned earlier plus 6 each of 1/8 and 1/4 oz in chartruse and 3 each of these 2 colors in 3/8 oz.

Any thoughts on that?
 
bassnet
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06/02/2015 07:28PM  
You will do just fine. Try everything, and remember what works, and what doesn't. Find a rthym in fishing...if you miss a fish 'cause you are staring at an Eagle or Moose.....COOL!!!!!!
 
06/02/2015 08:58PM  
For crank baits a diving and floating perch styled Rapala have always produced for me. Like this in 5/16 or 3/8 oz.





I have also had good results trolling 2/5 oz Little Cleo spoons in blue/silver and orange/gold colors.

Have a great trip!
 
Basspro69
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06/02/2015 09:08PM  
quote dpreiner21 but I am a firm believer in light mono (4lb-8lb) when it comes to walleye and trout.

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Totally agree.p.s. If your after walleye, other than the leeches if you bring some shad raps, some husky jerks, a couple rattlin raps and some powerbait twister tails you will have 99 percent of what you need to catch walleyes.
 
doubledown
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06/02/2015 09:32PM  
quote TeamTuna06: "If you're looking to go light I'd reduce the 1/4oz jigs...my thought is that I always use the lightest weight that I can get away with. Unless you're in heavy current you should be good with 1/8oz. Just a thought.


Also think about a search/trolling bait for the walleyes & smallies. I'd recommend minnow rap or shad rap in a bright color for the walleyes. Plus you'd be surprised what you get...my buddy caught a 21.5"/5.75lb. smallie on a minnow rap trolling last week just outside the Q.


Maybe a spinnerbait or two for the bass.
"


+1

1/4 oz jig heads drop too fast. I just got back from a weeklong trip. Walleye and pike were hammering the gulp shiners on 1/8 oz jig heads. Nothing hit on the 1/4 oz.

Zulus are clutch but you'll only need a half dozen. They're super resilient. Put them on a 1/0 Texas rig hook (red) with a #3 barrel swivel 1 1/2 ft above.
 
mastertangler
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06/03/2015 06:09AM  
MichiganMike.......

You have come to the right place........the guys on this site are awesome and are steering you in the right direction. I to am a Michigander and grew up fishing out of John boats and tubes (although tomorrow the plan is Lake Erie walleye fishing).

You have come to the right conclusions. Brux has taken the time to show you a lure which is devastating. Perch pattern lures have always been very strong for me in the sheild. I also like crawfish patterns, trout patterns and shad patterns (the shad patterns working well on the lakes with ciscos- throw in a touch of purple-grey-chartreuse like the sexy shad colors and your on the right path). Gold colored lures are also good. I have generally done poorly with shiny metallic finishes but maybe it is a confidence thing as I generally avoid them after some initial poor results.

The rapalas will cost you a pretty penny going in at about $8. On my trip with Kingfisher a few years back he employed a rather small Berkeley frenzy. He did surprisingly well with them on walleyes and even catching a quality northern on the small package. He sent me a few and the color patterns were perch and one that was bone colored with a bit of purple and chanteuse. KF fished his cranks on a 9" piece of Knot-to-kinky wire in 25# test to avoid bite offs. The story is on my blog.

Weeds are not your nemesis in canoe country. Crankbaits slam plenty of fish and is a fun way to fish. If your having trouble figuring out where to fish throw the crankbaits back and troll shorelines which aren't smooth rock. Generally avoid steep rock facings and smooth rock. Look for rubble and places where groceries live.
 
pastorjsackett
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06/03/2015 07:39AM  
I like Bass Pro's suggestion for lures. Always seem to get a few on perch colored raps--tail dancers, shad raps--when trolling.


My two cents: I use 6 lb mono. I am no expert, but I don't loos that many pike, mono is good for jigging and I don't like the fact that the braid/superline has no stretch. If I get snagged, it's downright dangerous and I almost wonder if the fish can feel me since I can feel them. We just got back from a really fun trip where we caught more fish than ever and it was all on 6 lb mono and jigs. Did we have a few northerns bite us off? We call them "drive-bys" sure. but even with braid that can happen.

Good luck and have a great time!!
 
06/03/2015 07:52AM  
this may not be a go to walleye lure but i never do a BW trip without at least 1 chrome/blk rattlin rap. 1/2oz
 
06/03/2015 07:51PM  

Braid all the way. Fishes in the BW and Q are stupid. They would bite a baited hook tied to jute twine. Why risk losing one on 8 lb mono? Yeah, yeah, go ahead and torch me brothers. :-)
 
mastertangler
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06/03/2015 08:25PM  
Andy your not wrong......I still will have a hard time leaving my mono though especially after a 2 hour epic slay-em of big walleyes one August evening on a reef on Basswood. I came back a week later with perfect conditions and thought to catch the fish of a lifetime so I put the big crankbait back with some braid. Not only didn't I catch the big one I didnt catch anything......not one strike even though I was marking them. Doesn't prove anything but still I can't help but have my suspicions > If I had only put the taildancer back with 6lb I would of been in business again. BTW I dont suggest running hard diving cranks with 6 lb unless you really have it together with your equipment (I run such a set up with an 8' steelhead rod, very forgiving of operator error)

On the other hand........

Fishing Burntside one evening and was using 8XT in about 15ft of water with a crankbait which shall remain unnamed ( I have to have a few secrets) when Mr Big decided to make an appearance. No ordinary northern.......I had put several in the boat in the 36 to 38" class and all were beat fairly easily even with 8lb. This fish started towing the boat (not so hard to do in an empty canoe). I had the fish on for a couple of minutes before the line gave way. Braid and some Knot-to-kinky titanium wire would of seen that fish in the boat I believe. Of course the question must be asked......would I of even hooked up with the braid? Probably but who knows for sure.

My goal is always to put big fish in the boat. Yup small fish are stupid and easy to catch. Bigger fish are different......even in canoe country.
 
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06/03/2015 09:19PM  
quote AndySG: "
Braid all the way. Fishes in the BW and Q are stupid. They would bite a baited hook tied to jute twine. Why risk losing one on 8 lb mono? Yeah, yeah, go ahead and torch me brothers. :-)"
To be honest Andy I like the fact that the fish has a chance to break my line, all part of the sport of it :-)
 
michiganmike
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06/09/2015 08:22PM  
Ok so here we go. I have accumulated baits and talked with others on the trip to see what people are bringing.

I will bring 2 identical poles and reels. Each reel has an extra spool. I will have 2 spools of XT clear 8lb and the other 2 spools will be the braids I talked earlier about.

The group will have an assortment of jigs, hooks, and other terminal tackle.

I am bringing Knot 2 Kinky 25lb for leaders.

Zulus in Blue Glimmer

Heddon Lucky 13 in bullfrog

Rapala HJ12 in gold

Rapala SR07 in perch

Rapala Shadow Rap Deep in Purpledesence

Rapala J9 in gold

Gulp Leeches

Thoughts on the revised list?

There will be others with spinners and chatterbaits. We can do some swaping around.

Also slip bobbers and other terminal tackle along with live leeches.

Final question what size swivel and snap do you guys use? I'm thinking a 1 swivel and 1 snap. Different size?
 
06/10/2015 09:07AM  
Your list looks good. I know you said other will be bringing spinners, but I'd be sure to have access to those if I were you. I've always had better luck on spinners than rapalas for smallmouth and pike. Jigs & live bait and/or plastics are the best for Walleye though imo so realistically you should be pretty set as long as you can find them.

A size 1 should be just fine for swivels/snaps. I think Mike recommends a size 3 for the Zulu setup, but I liked it with a little more weight when I used it a few weeks ago.
 
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06/10/2015 09:21AM  
I typically use a SPRO size 3 barrel swivel. When I want to go a little deeper I do use a SPRO size 4. When fishing the 7 inch StreakZ, I will use a size 5.
 
michiganmike
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06/10/2015 11:46AM  
Quetico Mike what is the disadvantage of the smaller swivel on that rig? I was trying to offset the added weight of the 2/0 ewg I prefer with a smaller swivel but I'll switch if you feel different.

Excited to try this method out.
 
mastertangler
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06/10/2015 01:36PM  
MichiganMike..........I met a guy at the boat ramp the other day who was a guide and painted on his boat was the name "Michigan mike"............he claimed to be the original claiming the title all the way back to the sixties. He showed me a very novel trolling rig which included a salt water squid behind a big Indiana spinner blade. Kind of cool set up but I digress.

Really strong selection of lures IMO and I would go into canoe country with that myself and feel content.

I'm still hung up (pardon the pun) on your line choices but we are making significant progress. No dice on the "clear" XT. It is anything but clear and seems sort of chalky to me. I have had poor results with "clear" XT. But I have had excellent results with GREEN XT! .........especially in dark waters.

And if you will pardon me for being picky.......why 2 spools of the same line? Redundant and counter productive. Remember XT has superior breaking strength and 8 lb with a good knot will likely break at 10lbs of pressure.

You need one spool with 6lb green XT and one spool with 8XT. Since you have the braid to fish your larger topwaters I dare say almost everything else you have can be fished with 6lb test especially any slip bobbering. Your rapalas will also behave much better on the thinner and more supple 6lb as well. Bring both and start with the 6. If you start getting broke off then move to 8...........not lots of stuff around for them to break you off so light line can be used quite successfully in canoe country.

As per the knot2 kinky titanium leader material. Make sure you pracitice with at at home and then test your leaders using some real force. The last thing you want is that 44" pike on and all of a sudden your leader gives way (which happens all to often in premade crummy cheap steel leaders)...........if you don't trust yourself purchase some high end premade titanium leaders. They will set you back a bit but they don't kink and last forever or until you get hung. 6" is minimum and 9" can mean the difference between a Kodak moment and another fish story. 4" is unacceptable IMO.
 
mastertangler
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06/10/2015 01:58PM  
MM.........one last thought, if your intention is to cast why not bring some spinner jigs? Basically they are bent shaft safety pin spinners which can be added to virtually any jig head. Throw on a plastic and suddenly you have a very effective set up which fishes at any depth but is especially effective on walleye. If you want a look at what I am suggesting northland tackle makes a dandy lure but you will get the concept. Hint; gold blades

Mimic minnow spin

You can purchase just the spinner part from a variety of sources and add them to your own jig heads.........but the mimic minnow is a surprisingly fine fish catcher on its own. 1/4 oz gives you lots of versatility.
 
michiganmike
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06/10/2015 04:53PM  
I miss spoke it is 8lb low-vis green. Since its so inexpensive I'll buy 6lb low-vis green and spool one like that.

We've got a force gauge at work. I'll be sure to tie my leaders before going and make sure they hold up to at least 20 lbs.

I'll look at the mimic minnow. Also will be bring some spinners.

Getting excited 10 days to go.
 
QueticoMike
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06/10/2015 06:02PM  
quote michiganmike: "Quetico Mike what is the disadvantage of the smaller swivel on that rig? I was trying to offset the added weight of the 2/0 ewg I prefer with a smaller swivel but I'll switch if you feel different.


Excited to try this method out. "


As long as you use a swivel to avoid twists, you should be ok. You need the lure to get just below the surface during the retrieve.
 
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