Last year, I was very hurt :-) when some of you questioned my mental health...... and suggested that I do not have enough to do with my life :-). Just to prove I am not crazy, here is the 2nd Annual (?) Fishing Advice Compilation. For those of you not familiar with the methodology, there is not one. I have gone though the main forums on fishing in BWCA and Quetico since our last trip in the last of June 2007 and pasted the comments into a Word file. Not everything is here, but much of it is.

This helps me see a consensus among you experts out there and then I compare what many of you are saying with my tackle box and techniques I am planning to use.

If you would like the Word file, feel free to email me at info@posttrauma.com. I might even be able to come up with last years as well.

Thanks to all of you for your input and advice, it really helps our trips. We are doing the Man Chain on 6/21.

Larry

2nd Annual Fishing Advice Compilation

When fishing moving water, I always concentrate more on the tail end of the falls rather than the faster moving water directly below them. You can also find smallies right above the falls in the deeper pools there. I always use a gig and a leech or f-9 perch rap in these situations.

Also all along the shore of the main lake should produce smallmouth also. Try top water (pop 'r', tiny torpedo, buzz bait) any time of the day in late June, my personal favorite thing to see in the BW is a 20' smallie smacking a top water bait. Then just try to hang on to your pole because a 20 incher will give you one of the best fights of your life!

With everything running about two weeks behind because of the late ice-out, surface lures on rocky shorelines should be productive in late June. This has been my most effective presentation when I've done a trip in early June. Doesn't matter what brand or style; most any surface lure should get them. I personally have had my greatest success with either a Rapala Skitter Prop chartreuse or a Skitter Pop brown frog. But I've seen several other surface lures land smallies as well.


With the late spring there may some active fish right up in the falls. Try casting right into the base with a crank or 1/4 oz. twister tail. bring it back as slow as you can without snagging. Sometimes the fish will be stacked right at the base of the rapids or falls--becuase it is so turbulent you cannot see them even if the water is fairly shallow. They just sit there and pick off the bait/insects that come over.

Otherwise the edges of the current are good too. I'd use a jig again. There will also be fish in the pools/slack water but they can be harder to get to bite. The fish in the current are actively feeeding--they will hit anything that floats by.

Another vote for eddies. definitely. shadrap...drift it down, then reel hard and dive it behind the eddy creator (usually a big boulder). big smallies don’t get big by wasting energy, they get big by being opportunists...

I'd agree that live bait will normally out-produce artificials. After all, artificials are meant to imitate live bait. But with some of the GULP products the line is blurred. We've had particularly good results with the 3 inch leeches. I have not heavily fished the other GULP products. There are times when artificials are your best option - top water action for example. Definitely not a waste of time or space IMHO. I'd bring both and cover your bases.

I want to say first of all I have a TON of respect for you and your posts. I agree with 99% of them. But to say using artificial baits is a good way to not catch many/any fish is just simply not true. No doubt a live presentation in the right spot is USUALLY (esp. for a novice fisherman) going to out-fish an artificial, but the benefits of fishing a topwater plug, a tubebait, or a crank bait when trying to find the fish, find mid-lake structure, or target spawning fish is undeniable. I am kind of surprised a fishing guide would suggest otherwise. Is that really what you meant to say? I would hate to deny someone the heart stopping thrill of the explosion that comes when a northern or big smallie absolutely clobbers a topwater bait because they think they re just exercising. Sasada,---- I love any lipless topwater (baby torpedo, pop-r, etc.) but my favorite is a smithwick devil's horse. I will also try to target the bigger nesting females (always release) by throwing a 3.5" tube or a senko. Feel free to e-mail me if you want my number and I will gladly tell you all i know. (That should make for a short phone call.

Casting a topwater right where I wanted, working a tube along a rocky bottom and feeling the strike, running a weedless frog across twenty feet of lilly pads and watching a monster explode on it, all thrills I don't get watching a bobbe

My best luck with an artificial lure has been with a #3 or #4 red and white mepps with the bucktail. Northerns, small/largemouth, and walleye.

You don't use 20 Lb. test with a heavy snap on wire leader in a clear lake.

Jig and gulp GRUBS, two inches, claims it "out fishes live bait" and I'd have to agree i prefer chartreuse, also short shank jigs with bait holders are killers especially with plastics.

Gulp minnow grubs in chartreuse jigged work very well for eyes. And also Chartreuse and perch scale countdowns. Never hurts to have the live bait. If its a vs, I would take the artifitial.

Okay, that's it!! I seen the guy on InFisherman catch walleye, smallmouth and northerns with rigged Berkley Powerbait 5" swim bait! I am going to take some this year and give it a try! yes...a great weightless presentation for shallow pike. i use a 4/0 gama hook.

A Shad Rap is a staple in my tackle box. I typically use a #7 deep diver in blue & silver, perch, shad or chartreuse & white. I may use others, but those four cover the colors pretty well.

Funny that I saw this post today. We're headed into Q on June 9th and my buddy needed some gear. We just picked out what he needed over the lunch hour. Spent some time in the Rapala aisle and I told him, "Grab a couple #7 Shad Raps and the color really doesn't matter much."

I usually take at least two Shad Raps in perch and copper/crawfish colors. I usually tailor my tackle box to the lakes I'm fishing. Slip bobbers, snell, leaches and top water lures for Smallmouth Bass, spoons, spinnerbait and Rapalas for Northerns and Walleyes. There is a ton of suggestions on this site for lure selection.

If I am allowed to fish at dusk in the Boundary Waters, I would say a jointed floating Rapala (J-9) in gold/black. Find a shoreline the drops off gently with lots of boulders, wait until dusk when the water calms down and gets glassy, then cast in to within 2 feet of shore and twitch. Reel in smallies one after the other.

give me a 1/8 oz. jig with chart.twister tail.
I would have to go with a floating J-9 Rapala in a Perch finish
1/4 oz. chartreuse jig with chartreuse twister tail.
Color might change depending on water clarity.
Original Rapala in black and silver. I prefer jointed, but does not have to be

Floating Rapala, gold or silver & black.
1/4 ox chartruse jig with gulp 3" minnow.
Chartreuse 1/8th or 1/4 oz. jig with a chartreuse with black specks double twister tail.

Jointed J-9 Rapala, With a nice Perch paint job...
I'd go with a beetle spin, either black or white head/tail. I use a lot of other lures but this one can do it all, can be fished along weedlines, in fast water under rapids, in open water, jigged on the bottom (can even remove the spinner and use just the jighead, is that cheating)?

No.#4 Mepps Red & White Blade/gold underside with dressed hair trebl

Shad Rap of course

Since I am in a sharing mood this morning, I am going to give you the secret tips to catch as many smallmouth bass in the Boundary Waters as you can handle. Here it is:

* Tip #1: Spend most of your time during the day paddling and portaging from place to place instead of fishing. In the summer months, most of the bass go deep and take a break during the day. They are most active along the shorelines during the first and last hours of daylight. Since you will likely be sleeping during the first hour, be prepared to fish during the last hour of daylight. If you come across some moving water during the day, like a rapid, it will be worth it to cast a lure in because moving water makes the smallies active. But other than places with moving water, just keep paddling and portaging during the day. Set up camp and go swimmming. Wait for the sun to do down.

* Tip #2. Scope out your target fishing area and wait for sundown. At about 6:30 or 7:00 pm, the sun will start to set and the water will very calm and glassy. This is a typically Boundary Waters evening in the summer(unless there is some kind of weather blowing through). The smallies move into the shallows to feed. They like gently sloping shorelines with lots of medium-sized boulders. Not gigantic boulders -- just like basketball or beachball-sized boulders.

* Tip #3. How to attack. Get in your canoe and very quietly paddle along your target shoreline casting topwater lures all the way to shore. You cannot get too close to the shore. They will hit your lure in 1 foot of water very close to the shore. I like to bounce my lure off the rocks on the shore so it looks like something is falling into the water. When your lure lands, let it sit there for about 20-30 seconds until the ripples you created go away. Then give your lure a twitch. If there's a bass in there, he will normally attack your lure. If you don't get a hit right away, then start making short retrieves, letting it sit for a few seconds in between... twitching. Don't worry if you drag your lure over deeper water. Smallies will come up from 20 feet deep to hit your surface lure, especially in the clear water of the Boundary Waters. But keep in mind that most of them will be closer in to the shore at sundown.

I like to troll a 4"-5" medium diving stick bait like a Rapala exrap or jointed Rapala or sometimes a Dr Spoon or Red Eye if I'm going slower.

troll with any shiny black and gold colored floating crankbait in the BWCA. They always produce something and, to be honest, you never know what you have til it's at the boat. I've caught everything from large northerns, bass, and walleyes to snagged perch. Caught plenty of weeds too but you can usually tell when the rod tip stops vibrating. At that point you either have a small walleye or weeds...

* Tip #4. How to pick your arsenal Here are some very good lures for topwater smallies, and I think that most smallie fisherman on this board will agree: Heddon Zara Puppy (colors = bullfrog, natural frog, silver/black, gold/black, baby bass), Heddon Tiny Torpedo (same colors as Puppy), Rapala Jointed Floating Minnow in size J-9 (gold/black, silver/black, perch), Original Rapala Floating Minnow in size J-9 or J-11 (same colors as jointed), Hula Popper in medium size (frog or black), Jitter Bug (frog or black), Rebel Pop-R.

* Tip #5. My favorite lure. If I had to bring one lure to catch topwater smallies in the Boundary Waters, it would be a Jointed Floating Rapala in size J-9 in gold/black. I've caught more smallies on this lure than anything else. It's good because it is a good surface twitcher like all the others, but it also has a very good swimming action when you start reeling it in to recast. I've caught many bass as I was working to pull my lure in for another cast to shore. It's also a good lure to cast below rapids. Since it floats and runs relatively shallow, it won't get hung up in the shallow water below rapids.

If you follow these tips in the Boundary Waters in May through September, you WILL catch smallies. Here's a pic of a smallie that I caught on a Jointed Floating Rapala size J-9 in gold/black:

Thanks guys. Smallmouth is the one BW fish with which I have some experience, albeit all river experience. I do have black & white and blue & white J9 Floating Rapalas but I will add the black and gold version to my order for Shallow Shad Raps and Gulp Leeches.

The silver/black and silver/blue jointed Rapalas are also good colors. I also recommend getting a couple Zara Puppies.

I have found my best success with a J-9 jointed Perch color Rapala.

I think that when fishing topwater for smallies, color doesn't matter that much. It's more the twitching action on the surface that gets them. Color means more probably when you are trolling for walleyes. Last summer I was using Zara Puppies in gold/black and bullfrog with the same success. Last weekend I was watching Al Linder's fishing show, and he was catching smallies in the Arrowhead region using bright pink X-raps.

Mepps #4 for my ONE

Definitely a shad rap - silver/black.

X-rap, Black on silver...gets all the Smallies I can handle!

I still love my Tiny Torpedo for idiot proof topwater fishing.

Mepps #3 copper blade, dressed green/red tail, OR 6" pre-rigged 6" Black Charlie's Wonder Worm . Have 2 left.

Smoke Red/flake Gitzit catches them all... Walleye, smallies and northerns (if they don't bite it off)

Firetiger shad rap

3/16 oz Silver Doctor Spoon ( I know I can't have a leader, but can I at least have a swivel? )

If no swivel, #9 Gold/Black Rapala Husky Jerk

I agree with Bromel and others- jointed Rapala is the do all lure. Top water, trolled, cast at offshore structure (are you allowed to add a split shot when not topwatering?). Probably J9 to catch smallies, but bite-offs by pike w/o a leader may be a problem with this medium size. I like chartruese. It really is a great topwater lure, just not marketed that way.

Original silver and black floating Rapala - #9 is fine but smaller works and either jointed or solid both work well.

Cheeks - Its very simple to take them out of the eater sized fish. I routinly do it with the 14-16 inchers- the perfect eaters. you don’t get a huge piece out, but its stil worth the 5 seconds it takes. t is behind (toward the tail) of the corners of the mouth. If you feel the sides of the head it will basically be the only soft portion on the side of the head. When filleting it out it sits in somewhat bowl shaped depression in the bone.

Mepps Spinner. #3 (dressed) Silver/white.
Mepps Syclops. Orange
Rapala Taildancer. Silver (or purpledescent)
Rapala Husky Jerk. Silver
Little Cleo 2/5 oz nickel/blue
1/8 oz jighead (for leeches and twister tail)
white twister tail grub
steel leader
3 way swivel (for use with sinker and spoon/spinner/crankbait for deep trolling)
1.5 oz lead sinker

1. A red and white Daredevil spoon
2. A size 4 Mepps spoon, silver blade, dressed hooks
4. A perch colored size 13 Rapala
5. A LAzy Ike, also called Flatfish, in 1/2 or 3/4 oz size

1/8 oz jigs, slip bobbers and leeches
2. 1/8 oz jigs, slip bobbers and leeches (so good it deserves 2 votes)
3. Firetiger, Huskyjerk Rapalla - pretty big, size 7 or 9 I think
4. Tiny Torpedo black
5. Senko worms - watermellon w/ red flakes, wacky rigged
6. Basstrix swimbaits - texas rigged w/ weighted belly hooks
7. 1/8 oz tube jigs
8. 1/4 oz tube jigs

1 Thill Mille Lacs Slider Slip bobber, walleye snell w colored hook, leech.
2 Rebel PopR
3 Rebel crawfish crankbait
4 Heddon tiny torpedo any color
5 Rapala Husky jerk
6 Rapala jointed perch colored
7 1/8 or 1/4 oz jigs w/ assorted plastic worms and power craws
8 Daredevil 5 of diamonds
9 Little Cleo spoon
10 Small Spinner bait 1/4 oz

3 x 1/8 oz tube jigs (heads are already inserted so each counts as 1)
3 x firetiger Rapallas
3 x 1/8 oz jig heads (used with leeches which are not counted)
1 slip bobber

Rapala Tail Dancer TD-9 (silver/black, silver/blue, perch)
Storm Original Hot-n-Tot (silver/black, gold/black, silver/blue)
Rapala Original floating minnow in size 11
Rapala X-Rap in size 10
Mr. Twister Jig -- 4 inch in white or yellow
Heddon Tiny Torpedo
Heddon Zara Spook
Heddon Zara Puppy
Hula Popper
Mepps Aglia spinner with gold blade in size 3

torpedo,origional rapala,husky jerk,rattlin rogue,copper blade mepps, bobber,sinker,3 #8 kahle hooks

minnow rap
mepps #3
jig w/ leech or twister tail
spinnerbait- green
chatterbait
slipbobber rig
5 of diamonds spoon
little cleo- orange/gold or blue gold
original rapala
shadrap

Shad rap
Tail Dancer
Reef Runner
Rattle trap
Storm Sub Wart
tiny torpedo
Daredevil
spinnerbait
jigheads w/twister tail
bobber rigs (sinker, bobber stop, bare hook)

2 - 5 of diamonds.
2 - gold vibrax inlines.
2 - #8 black/silver shadraps.
2 - black tiny torpedos.
2 - j9 orange/gold floating raps.

Trout are shallow in the spring and go deeper in the summer. I have caught trout in July by just trolling a long line with a Rapala Deep Tail Dancer.

Rapalas, Heddon Tiny Torpedoes, Rebel PopR.

Heddon Lucky 13 and Rapala Skitter Pops. I also like a rubber frog or two!

To get the most out of topwater baits I have to be able to pin-point cast them in and around shoreline structure. I'm a Chug Bug fan- it casts like a bullet and pushes a lot of water. Spook is #2 for me, castability and action. Jitterbug is a sentimental favorite (my Dad swore by it and the Hula Popper), but the big blade catches air makes it a little harder to target cast. Jointed Floating Rapala is a great topwater bait that can then be run deeper when it gets closer to the boat. I love the Torpedo too, but the prop gets bent a lot from hitting rocks. I bend the hooks out a little on the Baby Torpedo, they're kinda small. I believe that bouncing the bait lightly off the rocks and into the water from shore is magic. Or cast right onto dry rock, then slip the bait into the water just like a frog would hop in for a swim. Explosion when it hits the water! Bring many of all because those pesky hammerhandles bite 'em off. Spro Frog in heavy weeds gets an amazing amount of hits but it is so hard to set the hook- maddening.

I've had great action with a slug-o type soft stick bait. You can twitch it near the top , acts just like a dying injured minnow, is weedless or you can let it sink and use a small split shot to fish just below the surface... very versatile. Line twist can be a problem if not rigged right or a small BB swivel and an 18 inch leader helps too.

Shad rap original, if the lake is clear. Rattling if stained. I also like rapala original countdown in brown/gold, good stuff!

OK OK OKkkkk! Rapala Deep Tail Dancer- Purplesent!!! They can't leave it alone!But I'll also have others.....

Tail dancers and minnow raps are my favs.

Countdowns perch and chartreuse. I trolled through one lake just on the way out last year and caught 5 on the chartreuse. I've casted the perch in some favorite spots and got 4 fish out of 5 casts. These scales and designs are walleye machines.

I seem to have the best luck with anything black and gold.

Smallies will hit a buzzbait. I would use a small one with a single rotating blade. Red and chartreuse have worked for me in the past. In the evening and morning are usually the best times & it helps to have a very light chop on the water or else they can spook the fish.

Last year I caught the biggest smallie of my life on a orange/red buzzbait. A few casts later w/the same lure I trumped the one before approx 21'. I use a large buzzbait, single buzz, the smaller smallies definitely miss it or just cant seem to get it in their mouth.... but hey, who wants the small ones??? Seeing a 5# smallmouth hit a buzzbait is one of the reasons I keep going back to the BWCA every year.

We fished the south basin of Sarah(Quetico) mid June of last year and had great success. We used a wide variety of spoons and stick baits including Krocadile spoons (silver w green scale), Five-O-Diamonds Daredevils, Rapala Fatraps and Shadraps (big deep diving, chartreuse yellow), and Storm Deep Thunderstick (green). We bring a portable depthfinder and marked fish over 90-120 ft depths suspended at ~70ft. We put big rubbercore sinkers a foot ahead of the lures and one-man trolled in big circles the last 2 or 3 hrs of the day. Max of 2 lines out, way behind the boat (or a fish on would tangle everything up). Several doubles, lots of fish in the 2-4 lb range. They were actually shooting up to the surface at dusk and hitting junebugs (like steelhead), but we kept our lures deep. We also sail trolled during the middle of a very windy and sunny afternoon and had great success. One 4 lb laker (deboned from the back, stuffed with Stovetop, a little butter and some poultry seasoning, rolled in foil and baked above the coals), is a superb meal for 2.

I agree that the bigger the lure, the bigger the fish. However, I used a #5 Deep Diving Rapala (perch colored is great for the BWCA) and caught a 40+" northern last year. For the real big pigs, timatkn is right...depp water. Get a daredevil spoon, let it sink for 5 or so seconds into the deep water, and retrieve. We've caught numerous pike pike doing this. I also caught a 13" perch on the same daredevil. The BWCA fish are nuts!

I make my own spinners and tip them with a live leech, or a GULP leech. Just buy the components. Easy to make, easy to customize and it's fun to catch fish on something you made yourself. Probably troll them 75% of the timeEither a Rapala Glass Shad or a Smithwick Ratti ling Rogue (shallow)

#7 or 8 shadrap. usually blk/silver. i like a floating lure while traveling.

1. Rapala Skitter Prop in lime green. Caught dozens of smallies on this one.

2. Jointed Shad Rap in baby bass. Caught my two largest smallies on this one (both between 21-22")

3. Rebel Crayfish (red). While not as productive as the two mentioned above, she has earned a spot in the BWCA tackle box.

With that said, I've seen friends pull in smallies on just about anything else including Beetlespins, blue/white Rapala original floating minnow, rainbow chub on a jighead, spinner baits... Like Timatkn, I'd say it's almost harder not to catch them these days. And while people may hate them as an invasive species, they are still a blast to catch, especially on surface lures.

Wait until the sun starts to go down. When the sun starts to drop behind the trees, get in your canoe and paddle slowly along sloping shorelines that are strewn with boulders. Cast a gold floating jointed Rapala minnow (size J9) all the way to the shore. Twitch it a few times, then reel a little. Let it sit. Twitch it again. Just keep moving a long the shore and casting. At sundown the smallies go crazy for topwater lures. And it's a lot of fun to watch them explode on the surface. Almost any floating lure will work. Here are some others to try:

Heddon Tiny Torpedo
Heddon Zara Puppy
Heddon Zara Spook Jr.
Rebel Pop-R
Rapala Skitter Pop

If it's sunny during the day, the smallies usually go deep and they are difficult to catch... except in moving water in rivers and below rapids. If you can find some moving water, cast diving lures like Shad Raps below the rapids and across eddy lines.

Shad raps --for me, its 7's or 8's. blk/silver, blk/gold, orange/gold, and firetige

You may want to take 1 or 2 of the new Rapala Tail Dancers with you. I caught an 18" smallie last year on my first cast. Caught northerns on it as well. Worked well casting and trolling. Black and silver. Good Luck. Izzy

Shap Rads?!? Wiggle Warts by Storm are just as good and CHEAPER!!

#9 the bigger the better. Better yet use a minnow profile lure like the minnow rap #11 or tail dancer #9.

I use the yellow on top and white on the bottom ones in size 7 and sometimes 5. I never would have tried this color except for having purchased a size 5 one somewhere just because it was marked down to $1 and blew my friends minds with how many fish I caught on it. I generally stick to 7 now as the 5 can get beat up by a big fish a little too easily. 2d

The 50 Best Lures: Table of Contents
1: Curly Tail Grub
2: Dardevle Spinnie
3: Rapala
4: Mepps Aglia
5: Johnson Silver Minnow
6: Slug-Go
7: Zara Spook
8: Berkley Power Worm
9: Original Gitzit
10: Flatfish
11: Storm WildEye Swimbait
12: Rat-L-Trap
13: Terminator T-1 Spinnerbait
14: Gibbs Pencil Popper
15: Needlefish
16: Kastmaster
17 Krocodile
18: Little Cleochoice is bronze o bottom and dark color on top

Big deep diving stick baits work for me, usually in a black/silver combo or blue/silver combo. They do need to dive pretty deep though, like 25'. Just troll them up and down the lake, you should hook up.

I often catch lake trout in mid-summer by trolling a shad rap a long way behind the canoe. How deep can an unweighted shad rap run? These fish don't seem all that decimated by the fight. I must confess that when lucky enough to be gifted with a mid-summer lake trout I use the digestive catch then slow transformative release via the butcher's method but I would hope that careful and immediate release to the wild would not threaten my future reproductive capability.

One lure

ONE lure....
Apr 4th, 2007, 8:07pm


mine would be a #7 black and silver shadrap.
A silver and purple Lil' Cleo.
#13 silver and black original rapala with the barbs pinched down
A jig, with Gulp AND powerbait, different colors, just to be sure. Hate to pick the wrong one.
a white double-tail twister (salted/scented is good) with a black (or pink) jig head and a jig spinner.
An unpainted jighead in 1/4 or 1/8 oz with a 3" Kalin's cotton candy colored twisty tail. It's pretty much all I use anyway.
Silver and black rapala tail dancer size #9
#4 gold Jig Spinner with 1/8 oz. Max Gap jig and 4" Powerbait grub in white or silver flake.
3 inch white grub with a twister tail and a yellow jig head.

Smallies - large smallies - a lime green buzz bait - either ripped across the surface or trolled behind the canoe. In Spring a black and gold floating Rap cast to shore and reeled back in 4-6 inches below the surface.

Largemouth Bass - deep diving ratting Rap - probably in crawfish colors fished at dusk.

Northerns - Daredevils or Bucktail spinner lures.

Walleyes - Jig with a leech or a deep diving Rap sent crashing into the rocky bottom.

I would want several gold and silver #5 Mepps Aglia spinners with dressing (hair), a few shad raps, rattle traps and original floating Rapalas. A surface bait for entertainment, a couple steel leaders and snap/swivels, and a handful of jigs and plastic. That's it! Enough tackle to keep busy for a ten day trip and provide several tasty meals

For bass and even Walleye try a smoke red flake gitzit, 3 inches long... You can fish it several ways, with a 1/8 to 1/4 oz jighead inserted into it... ( I make my own jigheads with 1/8 oz heads and eagle claw 3/0 lazer sharp hooks, for use with gitzits and grubs... I love the bigger hooks) or fish it texas rigged with a slip sinker, or you can buy weights that insert into the body and a regular worm hook can be used to fish it. Throw it into rapids, and bounce it along the bottom, or let it drop off of rocks or ledges... smallies can't resist it... A brown crawfish color works well too... They are pretty strong too, I usually take 30 or so with me, and end up using 10 or 15... Northern will bite them too... but, all you end up with is a limp line... Another bait I like to take in June is a Jitterbug, if you love smallies on topwater

Great post, Larry, but when you refer to the "tail end of the falls" I would assume you're talking about the part where the falling water hits the water below. I don't think that's the part you mean. Top of the falls would be where it starts-- where the water begins falling off the ledge. So wouldn't the "tail" be the point where the falls stop falling?

I did not write any of the comments neverfales, I am primarily a saltwater fisherman these days, I just copied and pasted them to help me understand how to catch a few fish, thanks

Larry

larryb,

As with the last time ,thanks for your time and above all else - sharing. I read and enjoy adapting.

Boppa

WOW, nice job!!!

Where are the gummy bears on the list? What color gummy bear do I use?

larryb...great job! Thanks for all the hard work in compiling this!

I guess I still agree with last years assessment. You are somewhat mental and need more in you life. Probably more canoe trips with the family!

Dan (Larry's brother)

Larry,
Very good job!! I even recognize a few of my tips in there... And Dan, it is okay Larry is a lot like me it sounds like. You should see all of the information I have gathered for my LIS on June 22.

Bruce