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SaganagaJoe
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11/19/2017 09:54AM
I just purchased a pair of Altai Hok Skis - 145 cm. I'm looking forward to getting out with them and will let you all know how I like them.
 
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WildDog
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11/20/2017 01:23PM
SaganagaJoe, I have 100's of miles on mine (125s) and I love them. They are much slower than a proper BC ski and much faster than a snowshoe and I find myself reaching for these more than either the last couple of years due to their versatility. Enjoy!

SaganagaJoe
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11/21/2017 10:17AM
That's very good to hear, WildDog. It was a bit of an expensive outlay for me, but I know that I should be able to find good use for them.
Gadfly
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11/22/2017 08:39AM
Are these similar to the LL Bean Boreal? I bought a pair of the Boreal a couple years ago and I really like them for crossing lakes and packed trails but have to switch to snowshoes for breaking trail on portages.
SaganagaJoe
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11/22/2017 02:07PM
quote Gadfly: "Are these similar to the LL Bean Boreal? I bought a pair of the Boreal a couple years ago and I really like them for crossing lakes and packed trails but have to switch to snowshoes for breaking trail on portages. "

Looks to be that way. These are apparently good for deep powder too. We'll see.
SaganagaJoe
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11/22/2017 09:58PM
They're here. I'm impressed with the quality all around. I actually ordered the 125s by mistake (my mistake, not the vendor's), but now that I'm looking at them, I think that was a good mistake to make. The 125 will be plenty of ski for me for now and I think they will be more manueverable. I can always order the 145s later on down the road if I like the 125s - $319 isn't a whole lot of money.

Now I just have to get through all these darn finals so I can get out with them. Will post here after my first trip. I'm thinking Mt. Rainier National Park, assuming I can get chains for the van.
MackinawTrout
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12/08/2017 05:32PM
quote WildDog: "SaganagaJoe, I have 100's of miles on mine (125s) and I love them. They are much slower than a proper BC ski and much faster than a snowshoe and I find myself reaching for these more than either the last couple of years due to their versatility. Enjoy!


"
How are they compared to Backcountry skis in slush?
I have always worried about the permenant mohair skins getting clogged in slush.
I have never used them so I don't know. Anyone who has please chime in.
12/08/2017 10:10PM
I cannot comment on backcountry skis in slush but the hoks are NOT slush resistant. definitely need to carry a scraper of some sort and exercise caution when trying to clear the skinned area.

tg
Trapper7
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12/11/2017 11:30AM
I am 5'11" 220lbs with no skiing experience but a little snowshoeing experience. Relatively good shape for a 39 year old. Would these be good for a beginner? 125 or 145? Thanks for any input.
Pinetree
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12/11/2017 05:15PM
SaganagaJoe: "I just purchased a pair of Altai Hok Skis - 145 cm. I'm looking forward to getting out with them and will let you all know how I like them. "

I assume 145 CM long but how wide we talking.
12/11/2017 05:15PM
I had/have little experience on cc skis and think I get around ok. The more I use them the more efficient I get. I would definitely recommend poles (which i don't always use with snowshoes). I'm 6'3" ~190# and went with the 145s.
wingnut
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12/13/2017 08:19AM
I use my Hoks for recreation and am a beginner also. Like TG, the more I use them the more comfortable I get with them. I really like the skins on the bottom for traction. We are about the same size at 6' 220 and when I looked into buying a pair there was a weight point where they recommended either the 125's or 145's . The 145's being for the heavier people.
SaganagaJoe
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12/17/2017 08:28PM
Pinetree: "SaganagaJoe: "I just purchased a pair of Altai Hok Skis - 145 cm. I'm looking forward to getting out with them and will let you all know how I like them. "

I assume 145 CM long but how wide we talking. "


Width looks to be approx. 6 in or so. Definitely wider than a traditional cross country ski.
Pinetree
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12/17/2017 08:32PM
SaganagaJoe: "Pinetree: "SaganagaJoe: "I just purchased a pair of Altai Hok Skis - 145 cm. I'm looking forward to getting out with them and will let you all know how I like them. "


I assume 145 CM long but how wide we talking. "



Width looks to be approx. 6 in or so. Definitely wider than a traditional cross country ski. "


Be interesting to do a floatation test in deep snow. I found out there is like a minimum length of skis or snowshoes to go along with the width. Maybe these skiis will get maximum floatation.
I have a pair of E109 Fischer skis like 200(80 inches) cm long and 82(3.2inches) mm wide, I like the a lot.
There is not a perfect ski that fits all situations.

The Hok I would think would work great in a wooded area? Be interesting to hear a field report. I know in a short time they have got very popular.
Campcraft
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12/26/2017 06:58AM
Can any of you that have used them give a personal comparison between the universal binding and the pivot binding?

Mike

WildDog
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01/04/2018 12:52PM
Great thread guys! Just reading through some of the comments and questions and here are some additional thoughts...

Flotation: In my opinion and experience the flotation is better than BC Skis (Fischer E99, E109 type Ski), not as good as a 56" Alaskan Snowshoe, way better than any aluminum snowshoe. At their best they are like a slow CC ski, at their worst they are like a sliding snowshoe, the benefit is that you do not need to pick your foot up out of the pocket, you just slide your foot forward, she profile of the ski tip is right on the money for this. Similar to an Alaskan but still more efficient in all but the deepest soft snow.

Slush: Way easier than cleaning slush out of all the nooks and crannies of a snowshoe IMO, similar to cleaning a BC ski but maybe better in some ways since in a BC ski the ice can get trapped in the fishscale pattern. Here is a video of my buddy cleaning a HOK with a 6" putty knife Video HERE

Universal vs Universal Pivot: Universal pivot adjusts for bigger feet for one, plus the ski action is a little free'er since it is essentially a hinge under the ball of the foot - I have the pivot, my buddy has the standard, I like the pivot.

For Beginners?: Yes! For anyone new or transitioning from snowshoes to skis, this is a nice stop along the way and a great tool in the arsenal, I own all kinds of snowshoes and skis but find myself grabbing for these more and more, they are just so versatile.

Where to use: We just used them on a 60 mile BWCA crossing, I like them just fine on lakes and on easier portages, they stay on. The shine in somewhat open woods, you can takes these places you would never take a BC ski. They are not so good on stuff that has already been tracked by snowmobile or truck tires etc, they are so wide that you tend to slide left and right since it is so far to engage the metal edge - these are made to be off trail / breaking trail. They DO however follow nice when someone ahead is breaking trail in another pair of HOK, BC skis and to some extent snowshoes.
MackinawTrout
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01/05/2018 02:57PM
WildDog: "Great thread guys! Just reading through some of the comments and questions and here are some additional thoughts...


Flotation: In my opinion and experience the flotation is better than BC Skis (Fischer E99, E109 type Ski), not as good as a 56" Alaskan Snowshoe, way better than any aluminum snowshoe. At their best they are like a slow CC ski, at their worst they are like a sliding snowshoe, the benefit is that you do not need to pick your foot up out of the pocket, you just slide your foot forward, she profile of the ski tip is right on the money for this. Similar to an Alaskan but still more efficient in all but the deepest soft snow.


Slush: Way easier than cleaning slush out of all the nooks and crannies of a snowshoe IMO, similar to cleaning a BC ski but maybe better in some ways since in a BC ski the ice can get trapped in the fishscale pattern. Here is a video of my buddy cleaning a HOK with a 6" putty knife Video HERE


Universal vs Universal Pivot: Universal pivot adjusts for bigger feet for one, plus the ski action is a little free'er since it is essentially a hinge under the ball of the foot - I have the pivot, my buddy has the standard, I like the pivot.


For Beginners?: Yes! For anyone new or transitioning from snowshoes to skis, this is a nice stop along the way and a great tool in the arsenal, I own all kinds of snowshoes and skis but find myself grabbing for these more and more, they are just so versatile.


Where to use: We just used them on a 60 mile BWCA crossing, I like them just fine on lakes and on easier portages, they stay on. The shine in somewhat open woods, you can takes these places you would never take a BC ski. They are not so good on stuff that has already been tracked by snowmobile or truck tires etc, they are so wide that you tend to slide left and right since it is so far to engage the metal edge - these are made to be off trail / breaking trail. They DO however follow nice when someone ahead is breaking trail in another pair of HOK, BC skis and to some extent snowshoes."

Great report!
Thank you.
60 mile crossing? Impressive!!
Is there a trip report?
WildDog
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01/15/2018 08:54PM
MackinawTrout, that trip report is HERE http://bwca.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=forum.thread&threadId=1056930&forumID=116&confID=1
Pinetree
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01/15/2018 09:08PM
WildDog: "MackinawTrout, that trip report is HERE http://bwca.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=forum.thread&threadId=1056930&forumID=116&confID=1"

Here
Sobi
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01/17/2018 12:29PM
Hello all. Been a bit since I've been back to the site. Pumped to see people are using these. I bought a pair 3 years ago and have used on many adventures. Surprised nobody mentioned the downhill side of these. Being shorter than traditional back country skis you can maneuver well in the woods as you dodge trees and rocks, take jumps, stop, spin and hop. And then the uphill climb is similar to snowshoes. They are probably better for the big powder and space the mountains out west but you can find a smaller version here in Skolville when we get enough snow.

Question for those that have a pair (Hoks I mean). Has anyone retro-fitted with nnn bindings? I've been tempted to give it whirl in hopes of even better control.
01/17/2018 10:19PM
I have not. I have the original universal binding but actually considering trading up to the newer "pivot" binding to accommodate my damn big feet (ok-only a 13 but I'm pretty much stuck in hiking boots-pack boots way too big). If I already had dedicated cc footwear I would probably do whatever was necessary to retrofit the hoks though.

tg
 
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