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Pilgrimpaddler
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08/05/2018 10:24AM  
I did an 8-day solo in the dub earlier this summer and found that everything seems to weigh more than it did 15 years ago. I’d love to make portaging less strenuous and one way I can do that is to replace my current shelter (an REI Half Dome 4) with something new. I’m considering a Copper Spur hv ul3, that weighs about 1/2 what my REI tent weighs. However, I’ve been researching the CCS Lean2+ and really like the idea of having all that room and maybe not needing to also have a tarp or bug shelter. For those who have either the Copper Spur or the Lean, what do you like or not like about them?
 
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08/05/2018 04:38PM  
I like the roominess to weight advantage of the Lean+. I also like the great view out of the front door. In addition, it has a canopy.

The Lean+ doesn't have a floor, but I've always stayed dry and cozy in mine. You'll probably want to have something like a floor underneath at least a portion of the Lean+. Dan sells tarps that are sized for that purpose, which will add a little weight to your pack.

It's not free standing, but that would hardly be a problem in the BWCA.
 
08/05/2018 05:16PM  
I have the Copper Spur 1 and 2 (use either as a solo tent). I like having a floor as half asleep one night in a floorless I grabbed a mouse and it kind of freaked me out.
 
SinglePortage
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08/05/2018 06:03PM  
I just bought a Lean1+ (thanks Butthead), I set it up the next day and had wind and rain the next two days. It help up very well and kept all but a few bugs out. I plan on taking it up to the BWCA/Quetico next month.

My only concern will be camping in recently burned areas. I am planning an extended solo in Woodland Caribou next May and this will be an issue. I might look into bringing poles for set up when needed.
 
Northwoodsman
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08/05/2018 06:31PM  
Two good choices. I have the Copper Spur 4P UL and a Lean 3+. The Copper Spur is the bomb. Easy to set up, light, spacious, and storm proof. The Lean is even bigger and lighter. What I like about the lean is the versatility and the size of the door opening. I have the appropriate sized floor for the lean. I have used the Copper Spur on several trips, I will use the Lean for the first time next month. I have set it up several times to get the hang of it already. We are taking the Lean 3+ as our only shelter for 4 guys.
 
08/05/2018 08:03PM  
My Lean1+ has lots of room; if just going solo you won't need the 2+. Be sure to consider the weight of all the stakes and cordage you'll use to pitch it.

Advantages: space, space, space - the 1+ is 5' wide, 5' tall at ridge line, at least 9' long. The front awning is nice; big view outside and the possibility of leaving a separate tarp at home. No mesh and body staked to ground keeps cold wind out.

Disadvantages: ventilation is not as good because of aforementioned, so sometimes some condensation. All the space requires big footprint. Not as bug proof under certain conditions. A little more complicated setup than most tents and a little bit of a learning curve there. Having the ridge line pre-strung simplifies set up, which gets easier with practice and experience.

Btw, the + comes with separate unattached floor.
 
08/06/2018 08:03AM  
boonie: "My Lean1+ has lots of room; if just going solo you won't need the 2+. Be sure to consider the weight of all the stakes and cordage you'll use to pitch it.


Advantages: space, space, space - the 1+ is 5' wide, 5' tall at ridge line, at least 9' long. The front awning is nice; big view outside and the possibility of leaving a separate tarp at home. No mesh and body staked to ground keeps cold wind out.


Disadvantages: ventilation is not as good because of aforementioned, so sometimes some condensation. All the space requires big footprint. Not as bug proof under certain conditions. A little more complicated setup than most tents and a little bit of a learning curve there. Having the ridge line pre-strung simplifies set up, which gets easier with practice and experience.


Btw, the + comes with separate unattached floor."


Mostly covers the "Lean" except the floor is an extra cost option not automatically included.
While I no longer have my Lean 1+ (as SinglePortage mentioned), I did not sell it due to any problems or dissatisfaction. While it does have a large footprint, the lack of a floor enables it to utilize the available area. I have setup over bushes (they added interior support), stumps, large rocks, over uneven ground. There is enough floor space that I could always find a flat level spot for my sleeping bag.
I sold my "lean" because I am now using smaller packing 2 to 3 pound shelters for my camps. My 10x12 CCS tarp with cordage and stakes and single bugnet, BSI Chinook solo (configured for least weight), and BA FlyCreek Platinum 2, cover the weight under 2 to 3 pound range. My Lean with cordage and stakes weighed about 4+ pounds.

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Alan Gage
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08/06/2018 12:09PM  
SinglePortage: "
My only concern will be camping in recently burned areas. I am planning an extended solo in Woodland Caribou next May and this will be an issue. I might look into bringing poles for set up when needed. "


No need to bring poles. Just cut your own on the spot. I prefer setting up with poles rather than tying off to trees. Seems I can get a tighter and more consistent setup.

Alan
 
Pilgrimpaddler
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08/07/2018 09:08AM  
boonie: "My Lean1+ has lots of room; if just going solo you won't need the 2+. Be sure to consider the weight of all the stakes and cordage you'll use to pitch it.


Advantages: space, space, space - the 1+ is 5' wide, 5' tall at ridge line, at least 9' long. The front awning is nice; big view outside and the possibility of leaving a separate tarp at home. No mesh and body staked to ground keeps cold wind out.


Disadvantages: ventilation is not as good because of aforementioned, so sometimes some condensation. All the space requires big footprint. Not as bug proof under certain conditions. A little more complicated setup than most tents and a little bit of a learning curve there. Having the ridge line pre-strung simplifies set up, which gets easier with practice and experience.


Btw, the + comes with separate unattached floor."


I expect that I'll be using the new shelter for both solo and group trips, ideally I'd like it to be able to comfortably house up to three regular- to large-sized people. I had myself and my 2 sons (both well into their adult years) in the Half Dome 4 a couple years ago and it was comfortable enough. I'd like to have something that can serve the same purpose but also won't weigh a ton if I take it on a solo trip. I'll still have the REI tent if I find that need something that's entirely free-standing; even though it's about 15 years old it's still pretty functional.
 
08/07/2018 11:24AM  
We use a lean 3 as our tent for a family of 5. The difference between a copper spur and a lean might be the feeling of security and the lean is a single wall shelter. The lean 3 leaves space to see out the bottom. We have gotten used to this. We have the green sod cloth that goes on the floor to make it a tent. I also bring thin plastic to go under the sod cloth because it prevents condensation from vegetation (I got this tip from ultralight backpackers on a backpacking forum). We have been through 3 thunderstorms with the lean 3 and have remained perfectly dry. Also the lean 3 is very lightweight.. I think around 5 pounds for a HUGE shelter. The lean will use way more stakes than the copper spur as well. The plastic also is a little longer and we roll it up at the front and it seals up any areas that the bugs might get in. It was very buggy on our last BWCA trip but they never found their way into our lean 3
 
08/07/2018 05:45PM  
You could sleep two in the lean1, but for your needs the 2 will be better.
 
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