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Pinetree
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11/15/2018 06:39PM
You ever have a new tent,paddle,raingear you just bought or even had awhile that you were proud of andyou take into the field and it breaks down right in front of your own eyes?

Yesterday while deer hunting at least I made it home but my baffin boots which I had quite a few years but only like 10 days in the field just went more than kapoot. It could of lead to a dangerous situation while hunting a couple mile back in the woods as I was or worse on a winter BWCA trip. At least I got lucky that way.

I was shocked just as I was pulling the boot off the whole boot separated. That would of been heck on a cold winter trip in the woods.
 
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Pinetree
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11/15/2018 06:48PM
I have seen many of split rainpants in my day and wonder if any tents went ripping away on a trip,new paddles breaking first time out?
I am sure you gadget people got a couple of stories?
11/15/2018 07:10PM
I had a pair of cross country ski boots where the rubber soles broke off just after the three pin binder. Right at the spot where they had to bend. Admittedly they were a few years old. The soles dry rotted and it was a long, cold walk back to my truck.
Canoearoo
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11/15/2018 08:28PM
Baffin has had this problem for a while. We save the liner and buy used ice kings from LA cross and put the liners in those.
Pinetree
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11/15/2018 08:43PM
Canoearoo: "Baffin has had this problem for a while. We save the liner and buy used ice kings from LA cross and put the liners in those. "

I just couldn't believe it. I could understand a small opening or tear,but for the whole bottom to fall off. I lost complete confidence in Baffin, a boot I like so much.
Canoearoo
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11/15/2018 09:21PM
The liners are still worth 50$. But they have quality control problems with their rubber bottoms. Supposedly you need to put rubber conditioner on yearly to prevent this. But my LA cross ice kigs are 20 years old and never needed this. Baffin has refunded one set of boots for us but they have to be under 2 years old I think. The liners rock though, so next time we will buy just the liners.
11/16/2018 08:19AM
But yeah, I’ve had a major portage boot blowout early on on a twenty six day wcpp trip. I blame myself partially for thinking in my head they should last forever. Haha. But like you I only had them for less then a year and only been on a couple trips. Also pants... should good canoe pants rip badly on one fall. I’d be buying new pants everyday if that was the case. I’m getting very clumsy!
But I stick to both the pants and boots as both work well. They just don’t stand up to my kind of canoe trips. Haha.
11/16/2018 10:45AM
The only gear fail was on a cabelas boundary waters pack several years back. Shoulder strap ripped away from the pack on the first trip I used it. I’m sure they have fixed the problem. I guess I wasn’t the only one that had a problem with that particular pack.
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11/16/2018 11:42AM
This is one of the reasons I don't try to limit the amount of duct tape I bring. It is actually gorilla tape, but whatever. I know some people only bring a couple yards of tape that they have rewrapped to make it smaller, but I just bring the whole roll. I'm sure that I could go through my pack and reduce redundancies and excessiveness like this to cut my weight by a few pounds, but I don't see a reason to for the amount of effort required and the possibility that I might not be left with enough. I also don't want to feel like I shouldn't waste it on little things like covering a sore spot before it turns into a blister. If something falls apart, I can at least tape it back together.

BTW: I also bring extra string, paracord, baggies, lighters, TP, knives (I have cut these down to 1 per pack plus fillet and belt knife) and food.
paddlinjoe
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11/16/2018 02:20PM
I had a pair of Ecco shoes for a good 15 years. Used them a lot for camping, as well as daily winter use. The soles never seemed to show wear, I thought they were indestructible. Several eyelets had worn through and for the last couple of years I only used them to mow the lawn. Then, the first day I wore them this summer, both soles failed on the same day coming off in dry crumbly chunks. I wouldn't consider it a gear failure, but for soles that had seemed so indestructible, I thought it odd that they failed in the same way on the same day.
A1t2o
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11/16/2018 03:08PM
paddlinjoe: "I had a pair of Ecco shoes for a good 15 years. Used them a lot for camping, as well as daily winter use. The soles never seemed to show wear, I thought they were indestructible. Several eyelets had worn through and for the last couple of years I only used them to mow the lawn. Then, the first day I wore them this summer, both soles failed on the same day coming off in dry crumbly chunks. I wouldn't consider it a gear failure, but for soles that had seemed so indestructible, I thought it odd that they failed in the same way on the same day."

Sounds like some chemical reaction there. Like maybe something got at them over the winter and made it all brittle. Did you get gas or some sort of chemical on them the last time you used them?
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11/16/2018 04:02PM
Not camping or BWCA related but a friend of mine had the worst luck ever for "gear" failure on a golf outing.

We had just teed off on the first hole and one of his shoe laces broke as he walked to hit his second shot. Kind of funny but not a big deal he tied it off with what was left and played on. Next hole his other shoe lace broke but it broke so as there was not enough left to tie his shoe which was now falling off every couple steps. So instead of hobbling along in one shoe he decided to tie the shoes together, hang them over his bag and play barefoot the rest of the round. A few holes later his pull cart completely fell apart with pieces laying all over. Getting mad now he carried his bag and dragged his broken cart to the next tee box where he picked up the remains of his cart and threw it in the nearest trash can in a not so delicate fashion. So now he's carrying his big old heavy leather bag barefoot with his broken shoes draped over his shoulder. He plays a few more holes like that and then his shoulder strap on his bag breaks making it impossible to carry his bag over his shoulder. He played the back nine, barefoot and dragging his heavy leather bag around by a broken shoulder strap.

I give him credit for not quitting when things went south on him but boy was he mad. Probably didn't help that me and the other 2 guys in our group had a field day with it. Still the funniest round of golf I've ever played.
Pinetree
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11/16/2018 06:33PM
nofish: "Not camping or BWCA related but a friend of mine had the worst luck ever for "gear" failure on a golf outing.


We had just teed off on the first hole and one of his shoe laces broke as he walked to hit his second shot. Kind of funny but not a big deal he tied it off with what was left and played on. Next hole his other shoe lace broke but it broke so as there was not enough left to tie his shoe which was now falling off every couple steps. So instead of hobbling along in one shoe he decided to tie the shoes together, hang them over his bag and play barefoot the rest of the round. A few holes later his pull cart completely fell apart with pieces laying all over. Getting mad now he carried his bag and dragged his broken cart to the next tee box where he picked up the remains of his cart and threw it in the nearest trash can in a not so delicate fashion. So now he's carrying his big old heavy leather bag barefoot with his broken shoes draped over his shoulder. He plays a few more holes like that and then his shoulder strap on his bag breaks making it impossible to carry his bag over his shoulder. He played the back nine, barefoot and dragging his heavy leather bag around by a broken shoulder strap.


I give him credit for not quitting when things went south on him but boy was he mad. Probably didn't help that me and the other 2 guys in our group had a field day with it. Still the funniest round of golf I've ever played. "


That's really funny. The question is how was his golf game that day?
andym
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11/16/2018 08:02PM
Two times, both packs. One was my fairly old Boy Scout frame pack with a canvas bag. Early in a two week trip in the Sierra, the pocket that held it to the frame on one side ripped. Think I found a way to tie it on but it wasn’t super steady. Still a great trip.

Other was a trip in the BW. We use the knupak frames for portaging and had 4 knupak frames and one some other freighter frame. My wife was using one of the knupaks for her pack but not a canoe because, well, it’s hers. A little over halfway through the trip the freighter frame broke. Probably about 10-12 portage’s left. My big mistake was pointing out, too quickly, that my wife needed to take the broken frame. She agrees it was true. I just needed to be more diplomatic. It was, so I’ve heard, not real comfortable.
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11/16/2018 08:56PM
Pinetree,

I was almost in your shoes (no pun intended). I had a pair of expensive hiking boots that I wore for many years. They were extremely comfortable and in very good condition. I had just finished hiking a long loop through a state park as I was walking across the parking. Less than 50 feet from my truck the entire sole fell off one of the boots. I didn't know until my foot hit the pavement. I guess it was my lucky day.
Pinetree
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11/16/2018 09:59PM
Northwoodsman: "Pinetree,


I was almost in your shoes (no pun intended). I had a pair of expensive hiking boots that I wore for many years. They were extremely comfortable and in very good condition. I had just finished hiking a long loop through a state park as I was walking across the parking. Less than 50 feet from my truck the entire sole fell off one of the boots. I didn't know until my foot hit the pavement. I guess it was my lucky day."


Yeh I just never had a whole bottom of a boot fall off. Yeh if it would of fell off a hour earlier and no duc tape in the woods it would of been cold walk out. I least I would of had the liner on my foot.
OneMatch
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11/17/2018 10:12AM
Had a Bending Branches paddle purchased new at Canoecopia split on the the first day of its maiden voyage in Woodland Caribou. Glad I brought the old black spare paddle.
ps BB replaced it and it's been a great paddle. Not to dis on them.
ghost of murphy lake jim
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11/17/2018 10:25AM
I have a black diamond headlamp that has a malfunctioning button. This problem was discovered the first week I had it and the day before going up to the bwca. Sometimes the button works but sometimes it doesn't so I brought it with anyways after buying a new petzle headlamp in town. Upon return from the bwca my half performing black diamond headlamp was now cracked in the front from being in a pack. All my other headlamps survived the trip without a scratch. I should have given black diamond the opportunity to replace it but I was too lazy and passive to try. ohh well it works better now, maybe the button had to get broken in a bit.
ozarkpaddler
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11/17/2018 10:32AM
OneMatch: "Had a Bending Branches paddle purchased new at Canoecopia split on the the first day of its maiden voyage in Woodland Caribou. Glad I brought the old black spare paddle.
ps BB replaced it and it's been a great paddle. Not to dis on them."


That really stinks when it happens the first part of a trip, doesn't it? I had that happen on a winter trip on the Current less than an hour into a 3 day trip; that's why I bring 3 now.

I had my old, broken in Browning boots years ago that failed on me with a couple days to go.I think we were on South Lake or Rose, but I still had the Stairway portage to navigate in them. I always bring an extra set of boot laces and Gorilla tape, but back then it was Duct tape. I wrapped the sole with the lace then Duct taped it. It worked, but not well. The sole "Wiggled" and would have been unsafe on any really rocky portages. We spent the last night on Duncan and had a "Ceremonial" burning and wore tennis shoes for the last portage.

I'm thinking and the only relatively "New" item that broke in the first few trips was a Cedar strip canoe; the bow seat broke with not me but my petite, 110 lb wife sitting in it. A trip or two later the yoke also broke and I "Shored" it up with Duct tape and a piece of wood.

I also remember agreeing to use a friends tent on a 3-4 day Jack's Fork-Current River trip. First night, his fiberglass pole on his Eureka dome tent snapped. I found a suitable willow and Duct taped it to the snapped pole and the pole on each end. Had to carry the tent with poles sticking out in my canoe the rest of the trip. I have a couple pics of the tent from that trip, but I wish I'd taken a picture of the tent before we put the fly on. I just didn't think about it at the time. It worked very well, though!
11/17/2018 12:20PM
Pinetree: "nofish: "Not camping or BWCA related but a friend of mine had the worst luck ever for "gear" failure on a golf outing.



We had just teed off on the first hole and one of his shoe laces broke as he walked to hit his second shot. Kind of funny but not a big deal he tied it off with what was left and played on. Next hole his other shoe lace broke but it broke so as there was not enough left to tie his shoe which was now falling off every couple steps. So instead of hobbling along in one shoe he decided to tie the shoes together, hang them over his bag and play barefoot the rest of the round. A few holes later his pull cart completely fell apart with pieces laying all over. Getting mad now he carried his bag and dragged his broken cart to the next tee box where he picked up the remains of his cart and threw it in the nearest trash can in a not so delicate fashion. So now he's carrying his big old heavy leather bag barefoot with his broken shoes draped over his shoulder. He plays a few more holes like that and then his shoulder strap on his bag breaks making it impossible to carry his bag over his shoulder. He played the back nine, barefoot and dragging his heavy leather bag around by a broken shoulder strap.



I give him credit for not quitting when things went south on him but boy was he mad. Probably didn't help that me and the other 2 guys in our group had a field day with it. Still the funniest round of golf I've ever played. "



That's really funny. The question is how was his golf game that day?"


You guys by any chance weren't playing on a Sunday, were you?
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11/18/2018 07:56PM
A1t2o: "paddlinjoe: "I had a pair of Ecco shoes for a good 15 years. Used them a lot for camping, as well as daily winter use. The soles never seemed to show wear, I thought they were indestructible. Several eyelets had worn through and for the last couple of years I only used them to mow the lawn. Then, the first day I wore them this summer, both soles failed on the same day coming off in dry crumbly chunks. I wouldn't consider it a gear failure, but for soles that had seemed so indestructible, I thought it odd that they failed in the same way on the same day."


Sounds like some chemical reaction there. Like maybe something got at them over the winter and made it all brittle. Did you get gas or some sort of chemical on them the last time you used them?"


I had the same thing happen with my Ecco hiking boots about 10 years ago. Had them for about 8 years; got them out of the closet in the spring for a trip and the soles were in a pile of black crumbles and dust on the closet floor. I had worn them the fall before while hiking in an uncultivated field, but had brushed the soles off & wiped with a damp cloth. I thought when this happened that maybe there was weed killer on the field. After seeing your post, paddlinjoe, I wish I had contacted Ecco; maybe ours weren't the only ones. They WERE my favorite boots!
Pinetree
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11/18/2018 08:19PM
Were talking often here the rubber composite is breaking down by oxidation or some chemical reaction?
Is there something we could treat the rubber with to preserve it?

I have seen brand new waders of rubber compound never used but hanging up just crack and rot.
Heard like sometimes it is not like real rubber or something? I don't know myself?
Canoearoo
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11/18/2018 09:10PM
The baffin company told use to us rubber conditioner every fall/spring
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11/18/2018 11:23PM
Oh gawd I think everything we bought and used in the 70's to replace our salvaged homemade gear broke or fell apart while we were using it.
My buddy and I replaced a canvas with a real tent. One of the canvas larger "pup" tents which was rated for 3 people. On the third night of a 14 day trip the stitching started coming apart, then the fabric started to "unravel" in spots. We ended up base camping and building a lean to
Lets not forget the great alumium packs that everyone had to have.......
Nylon bags and straps that would stay put. You would but the pack on, cinch up the straps and in 20 steps they would start to loosen in the buckle so that by 50 steps your pack looked like a rappers pants hanging down.
And lets not forget that great alumium cook wear either. That didn't last long with us as after the first trip it was retired into the trash bin
The only thing we miss from those days were the "compressed bacon bars".
paddlinjoe
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11/19/2018 12:05AM
A1t2o: "paddlinjoe: "I had a pair of Ecco shoes for a good 15 years. Used them a lot for camping, as well as daily winter use. The soles never seemed to show wear, I thought they were indestructible. Several eyelets had worn through and for the last couple of years I only used them to mow the lawn. Then, the first day I wore them this summer, both soles failed on the same day coming off in dry crumbly chunks. I wouldn't consider it a gear failure, but for soles that had seemed so indestructible, I thought it odd that they failed in the same way on the same day."


Sounds like some chemical reaction there. Like maybe something got at them over the winter and made it all brittle. Did you get gas or some sort of chemical on them the last time you used them?"


I agree, something dried them out. I had thought it was Father Time because I had them so long, but it could have been chemical. They had not been used for several months prior to this happening.
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11/19/2018 12:08AM
QuietWaters: "A1t2o: "paddlinjoe: "I had a pair of Ecco shoes for a good 15 years. Used them a lot for camping, as well as daily winter use. The soles never seemed to show wear, I thought they were indestructible. Several eyelets had worn through and for the last couple of years I only used them to mow the lawn. Then, the first day I wore them this summer, both soles failed on the same day coming off in dry crumbly chunks. I wouldn't consider it a gear failure, but for soles that had seemed so indestructible, I thought it odd that they failed in the same way on the same day."




I had the same thing happen with my Ecco hiking boots about 10 years ago. Had them for about 8 years; got them out of the closet in the spring for a trip and the soles were in a pile of black crumbles and dust on the closet floor. I had worn them the fall before while hiking in an uncultivated field, but had brushed the soles off & wiped with a damp cloth. I thought when this happened that maybe there was weed killer on the field. After seeing your post, paddlinjoe, I wish I had contacted Ecco; maybe ours weren't the only ones. They WERE my favorite boots!"


I thought it was ironic that for so long the soles showed almost not wear, and then in one day they fall apart. I certainly got my money's worth for as long as I had and used them.
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11/19/2018 02:25PM
rtallent: "Pinetree: "nofish: "Not camping or BWCA related but a friend of mine had the worst luck ever for "gear" failure on a golf outing.



We had just teed off on the first hole and one of his shoe laces broke as he walked to hit his second shot. Kind of funny but not a big deal he tied it off with what was left and played on. Next hole his other shoe lace broke but it broke so as there was not enough left to tie his shoe which was now falling off every couple steps. So instead of hobbling along in one shoe he decided to tie the shoes together, hang them over his bag and play barefoot the rest of the round. A few holes later his pull cart completely fell apart with pieces laying all over. Getting mad now he carried his bag and dragged his broken cart to the next tee box where he picked up the remains of his cart and threw it in the nearest trash can in a not so delicate fashion. So now he's carrying his big old heavy leather bag barefoot with his broken shoes draped over his shoulder. He plays a few more holes like that and then his shoulder strap on his bag breaks making it impossible to carry his bag over his shoulder. He played the back nine, barefoot and dragging his heavy leather bag around by a broken shoulder strap.



I give him credit for not quitting when things went south on him but boy was he mad. Probably didn't help that me and the other 2 guys in our group had a field day with it. Still the funniest round of golf I've ever played. "




That's really funny. The question is how was his golf game that day?"



You guys by any chance weren't playing on a Sunday, were you?"


No never on a Sunday. We have our priorities in order, we skip work and golf on weekdays.

And to answer Pinetree's question his game was not very good at all that day, but then again it not very good even under ideal circumstances so I'm not sure I noticed much difference.
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11/19/2018 07:30PM
paddlinjoe: "QuietWaters: "A1t2o: "paddlinjoe: "I had a pair of Ecco shoes for a good 15 years. Used them a lot for camping, as well as daily winter use. The soles never seemed to show wear, I thought they were indestructible. Several eyelets had worn through and for the last couple of years I only used them to mow the lawn. Then, the first day I wore them this summer, both soles failed on the same day coming off in dry crumbly chunks. I wouldn't consider it a gear failure, but for soles that had seemed so indestructible, I thought it odd that they failed in the same way on the same day."






I had the same thing happen with my Ecco hiking boots about 10 years ago. Had them for about 8 years; got them out of the closet in the spring for a trip and the soles were in a pile of black crumbles and dust on the closet floor. I had worn them the fall before while hiking in an uncultivated field, but had brushed the soles off & wiped with a damp cloth. I thought when this happened that maybe there was weed killer on the field. After seeing your post, paddlinjoe, I wish I had contacted Ecco; maybe ours weren't the only ones. They WERE my favorite boots!"



I thought it was ironic that for so long the soles showed almost not wear, and then in one day they fall apart. I certainly got my money's worth for as long as I had and used them."


Similar experience here with a favorite pair of ECCO that I had for about 10 years. Pulled them out of the closet as I was going to visit some former work buddies and didn't notice anything wrong. When I got to their office, one of them asked if I was experiencing financial troubles. Puzzled, I asked "why". He pointed to the chunks of rubber sole falling off my shoe. Had a good laugh, but it was disappointing to see...

AdamX
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11/26/2018 02:43PM
I have had similar issues with winter boots. In fact, I spent several winters where i was out in the BWCA virtually everyday of the winter. I would take my sorels to Henry's Shoe repair in ely almost every fall to have the seams resewed as they would seem to wear out.

I also know that when I am winter camping and putting on frozen boots in the morning, is a time when they often crack or seams rip out.

Hopefully baffin will send you a new pair. I find that most of the reputable outdoor companies will replace what appears to be a manufacturing error.
Pinetree
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12/03/2018 09:59AM
Well I sent Baffin a email,will see what they say. The warranty time was off but usage was like 14 days total. The overlap the rubber and leather was so small a malfunction was just waiting to happen.

There must be more equipment failures out there,or you guys and gals always buy right and live right.
tpothen
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12/03/2018 01:39PM
I've had this happen after a few years with several different brands of boots of the same style. It's kind of like they dry rot around the seam. It has more to due with age than usage as I would wear mine everyday throughout the winter.
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12/03/2018 03:25PM
Was going on a remote 6 week trip and thought it might be a good idea to bring a heavy "expedition" rated paddle instead of just lightweight carbon. The blade of that "expedition" paddle cracked within a week and I finished the trip with my carbon sissy stick.

I'm sure the manufacturer would have been happy to step up and replace the paddle but I'd never have the confidence to take it on a trip so not much point.

Alan
 
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