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10/16/2013 01:24PM
The first year our group headed up to bwca we went to basswood and did very well on catching big smallmouth. The past couple years(on different and smaller lakes) we have been catching bass nonstop but nothing over 18 to 19'' and while we are having fun we would like to target big ones only. Any one have suggestions on what lakes or areas to fish other than basswood? We are not opposed to going to basswood again but we all like to see new areas every year.
thanks in advance,
chris
thanks in advance,
chris
10/16/2013 02:39PM
Bigger fish require different tactics.
I think basswood has many opportunities for BIG FISH. I don't know when you are tripping, but you have a better chance of bigger fish in early spring and late fall.
Summer offers great opportunities for big bass, but they are mostly deep. On occasion, you will fish them in the shallows, but for the most part, once they finish their business in the spring, they move rather quickly to more protected areas off deep points, and reefs.
In the spring, we target the areas LEADING to the spawning areas. These are the leadin type areas...points, ledges, and reefs leading to areas that will provide the best spawning areas. These targeted fish are generally prespawn and will be feeding up to develop eggs. If you miss the prespawn and spawn, these fish will be in the same area for a few weeks. During that time they are recovering from the rigors of spawning, and are usually aggressively feeding.
In the fall, I try to find areas where fish coming from summer areas can find and aggressively feed. Reefs and Points close to shallow feeding areas, are GREAT. Timing and weather make a big difference.
I've not been there "late" enough and will be adding trips in the future in Late September and early October.
Hope this helps.
Later,
Geo
I think basswood has many opportunities for BIG FISH. I don't know when you are tripping, but you have a better chance of bigger fish in early spring and late fall.
Summer offers great opportunities for big bass, but they are mostly deep. On occasion, you will fish them in the shallows, but for the most part, once they finish their business in the spring, they move rather quickly to more protected areas off deep points, and reefs.
In the spring, we target the areas LEADING to the spawning areas. These are the leadin type areas...points, ledges, and reefs leading to areas that will provide the best spawning areas. These targeted fish are generally prespawn and will be feeding up to develop eggs. If you miss the prespawn and spawn, these fish will be in the same area for a few weeks. During that time they are recovering from the rigors of spawning, and are usually aggressively feeding.
In the fall, I try to find areas where fish coming from summer areas can find and aggressively feed. Reefs and Points close to shallow feeding areas, are GREAT. Timing and weather make a big difference.
I've not been there "late" enough and will be adding trips in the future in Late September and early October.
Hope this helps.
Later,
Geo
10/16/2013 05:54PM
quote GeoFisher: "Bigger fish require different tactics.
I think basswood has many opportunities for BIG FISH. I don't know when you are tripping, but you have a better chance of bigger fish in early spring and late fall.
Summer offers great opportunities for big bass, but they are mostly deep. On occasion, you will fish them in the shallows, but for the most part, once they finish their business in the spring, they move rather quickly to more protected areas off deep points, and reefs.
In the spring, we target the areas LEADING to the spawning areas. These are the leadin type areas...points, ledges, and reefs leading to areas that will provide the best spawning areas. These targeted fish are generally prespawn and will be feeding up to develop eggs. If you miss the prespawn and spawn, these fish will be in the same area for a few weeks. During that time they are recovering from the rigors of spawning, and are usually aggressively feeding.
In the fall, I try to find areas where fish coming from summer areas can find and aggressively feed. Reefs and Points close to shallow feeding areas, are GREAT. Timing and weather make a big difference.
I've not been there "late" enough and will be adding trips in the future in Late September and early October.
Hope this helps.
Later,
Geo
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We have similiar tactics i see! We slayed them this year on pietro (september 7-14) and most of the larger fish were putting on the winter feed bag and sitting in about 6-10 fow. We had several 60 plus fish days just nothing over 19inches. We did however get into some really nice pike on turtle. Several in high 30's landed and a couple in the fourtys (guesstimate) were brought to shore but not landed. haha
10/16/2013 08:44PM
quote lbt5000: " The first year our group headed up to bwca we went to basswood and did very well on catching big smallmouth. The past couple years we have been catching bass nonstop but nothing over 18 to 19'' and while we are having fun we would like to target big ones only. Any one have suggestions on where to fish other than basswood? We are not opposed to going to basswood again but we all like to see new areas every year.You have the right lake you just need to adjust when you go. Late may early june, and October are when the hogs play.
thanks in advance,
chris"
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
10/17/2013 10:26AM
General rule of thumb is the more time spent on the water, the better the odds of catching a trophy smallie. Also, the biggest trophy smallies are generally in larger lakes (like Basswood). But this doesn't mean small lakes don't hold trophy smallies. Over the years, I've caught many of my trophies in smaller lakes that do not see as many paddlers. I've also found more trophy smallies in Quetico than in the BWCA.
The only problem is the Q lakes are harder to get to, and many are starting to get fished out....:-)
The only problem is the Q lakes are harder to get to, and many are starting to get fished out....:-)
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are -- Teddy Roosevelt
10/17/2013 02:12PM
quote Basspro69: "quote lbt5000: " The first year our group headed up to bwca we went to basswood and did very well on catching big smallmouth. The past couple years we have been catching bass nonstop but nothing over 18 to 19'' and while we are having fun we would like to target big ones only. Any one have suggestions on where to fish other than basswood? We are not opposed to going to basswood again but we all like to see new areas every year.You have the right lake you just need to adjust when you go. Late may early june, and October are when the hogs play. "
thanks in advance,
chris"
I should clarify some. The first year we went to basswood the first week of june and did very well with the big fish and knew we were fishing the spawn. The past two years have been on different lakes and have caught incredible numbers but no true monsters.
10/18/2013 02:19PM
This is coming from a non smallmouth guy FWIW, but on average I catch several 19-21 inch smallies fishing for walleyes. The consistent thing I notice is all of them have been relatively deep compared to where you would normally catch/fish smallies.
The only time that did not apply is fishing rapids in early spring in Quetico, the big ones stack up in that warmer water but are very spooky--get too close and they are gone---longer casts into likley spots produce well.
I can catch 50 smallies in a relatively short amount of time fishing topwaters or shallow most of the year but they rarely are bigger than 16 inches.
T
The only time that did not apply is fishing rapids in early spring in Quetico, the big ones stack up in that warmer water but are very spooky--get too close and they are gone---longer casts into likley spots produce well.
I can catch 50 smallies in a relatively short amount of time fishing topwaters or shallow most of the year but they rarely are bigger than 16 inches.
T
10/20/2013 11:04AM
Go deep. Lot's of bass around the shoreline's, but 9/10 of smallies I've caught over 20" have come suspended from middle of the lake humps & points chasing schools of midlake baitfish.
Having a sonar helps a ton, but crisscrossing a new lake with a deep diver will get you in the ball park. It takes a bit of work, and it's more like fishing for salmon & trout in the Great Lakes than what most trippers would think of as "bass fishing", but the season up here doesn't open until July, so if you want MULES you have to fish open water.
Oh and BTW, deep water smallies aren't shy about coming shallow to hit a bait, it may feel weird fishing a topwater in the middle of the lake in 20-30fow, but those suckers get some acceleration going by the time they hit the surface. Some incredible strikes while everyone else is fishing along the shore.
Having a sonar helps a ton, but crisscrossing a new lake with a deep diver will get you in the ball park. It takes a bit of work, and it's more like fishing for salmon & trout in the Great Lakes than what most trippers would think of as "bass fishing", but the season up here doesn't open until July, so if you want MULES you have to fish open water.
Oh and BTW, deep water smallies aren't shy about coming shallow to hit a bait, it may feel weird fishing a topwater in the middle of the lake in 20-30fow, but those suckers get some acceleration going by the time they hit the surface. Some incredible strikes while everyone else is fishing along the shore.
10/22/2013 07:29AM
My trouble with finding big bass is my love of catcthing lots of bass. At one high quantity lake I fish, the bass average 16.5 inches, so they're not small and they're super-duper abundant. A hundred fish per person per day is the standard. However, I rarely catch 20-inch plus fish and I'm slowly understanding (Yep, I'm slow to understand.) that I don't fish deep enough. That said, I don't know that I'm willing to fish deep enough because I like catching lots of fish.
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
10/22/2013 09:37AM
quote missmolly: "My trouble with finding big bass is my love of catcthing lots of bass. At one high quantity lake I fish, the bass average 16.5 inches, so they're not small and they're super-duper abundant. A hundred fish per person per day is the standard. However, I rarely catch 20-inch plus fish and I'm slowly understanding (Yep, I'm slow to understand.) that I don't fish deep enough. That said, I don't know that I'm willing to fish deep enough because I like catching lots of fish."
Without knowing much about this lake, it could easily be over crowded.
I have a ton of lakes that I fish where numbers is not a problem but size is. If you have a few hundred acre lake that is no problem to catch 100-200 a day, maybe that lake needs some thinning.
Obviously there are a crap ton of other details that go into that determination, but I have a LOT of my lakes that I fish locally and up there that are harvest exclusive lakes...........meaning anything legal gets the knife.
Later,
Geo
10/22/2013 12:47PM
quote GeoFisher: "quote missmolly: "My trouble with finding big bass is my love of catcthing lots of bass. At one high quantity lake I fish, the bass average 16.5 inches, so they're not small and they're super-duper abundant. A hundred fish per person per day is the standard. However, I rarely catch 20-inch plus fish and I'm slowly understanding (Yep, I'm slow to understand.) that I don't fish deep enough. That said, I don't know that I'm willing to fish deep enough because I like catching lots of fish."
Without knowing much about this lake, it could easily be over crowded.
I have a ton of lakes that I fish where numbers is not a problem but size is. If you have a few hundred acre lake that is no problem to catch 100-200 a day, maybe that lake needs some thinning.
Obviously there are a crap ton of other details that go into that determination, but I have a LOT of my lakes that I fish locally and up there that are harvest exclusive lakes...........meaning anything legal gets the knife.
Later,
Geo"
I don't think it's overcrowded. A 16.5 inch bass isn't a stunted runt. As a kid, I fished farm ponds teeming with runts. It's just not a trophy lake. It does produce 19 inchers and the very rare 20-inch fish and likely, there are big ol' gals out deep.
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
10/22/2013 03:20PM
quote missmolly: "My trouble with finding big bass is my love of catcthing lots of bass. At one high quantity lake I fish, the bass average 16.5 inches, so they're not small and they're super-duper abundant. A hundred fish per person per day is the standard. However, I rarely catch 20-inch plus fish and I'm slowly understanding (Yep, I'm slow to understand.) that I don't fish deep enough. That said, I don't know that I'm willing to fish deep enough because I like catching lots of fish."You need to fish Mille lacs then, you can catch numerous bass with many over 20 inches. I have never caught a smallie under 16 inches on this lake.
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
10/22/2013 07:02PM
quote MagicStik: "Good call on Mille Lacs BassPro. Some true "football" fish in that lake....big belly fish! 4.9lb and 5.0lb SM.....and they get much bigger than these two fish.Nice fish Majic, I love Mille lacs Smallies they all look like overstuffed footballs.
"
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
10/23/2013 07:23AM
My wife and I got into a slew of piggy smallies on Ensign a few years back also. I had replicas made of two of her fish. Unfortunately we haven't been able to replicate the bite we had. By far the best smallie bite I have ever seen.
Magic
Magic
10/23/2013 07:57AM
quote missmolly: "+1quote Arlo Pankook: "
Those are huge Magic!
Not in the same league as the fish above but here is what you missed yesterday...that and shoveling snow out of the boat.
Think she was enjoying the shiner run?"
Whoa! And wow! "
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
10/24/2013 09:58AM
quote GeoFisher: "quote shock: "posted this one before courtesy of the tennessee DNR 27" "
Tennessee.......is this from my favorite lake, Dale Hollow??
THAT is a serious fish........SERIOUS.
Later,
Geo"
Wow - some awesome fish pics here!! A buddy of mine lives about an hour from Dale Hollow, might be time for a visit....
10/24/2013 11:48AM
quote shock: "posted this one before courtesy of the tennessee DNR 27" "
I've shared before that I SUCK at extrapolating fish size from a photo where the fish is extended. If you're holding a 27 inch bass, why would you want to make it seem bigger anyway? It's already Godzilla. So, in this photo, I have a hard time of seeing its true size.
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
10/24/2013 04:47PM
you need to know how to catch them, where to catch them, and how to land them, safely.
they are where all the smaller bass are, you just need to be lucky to grab hold of a big one!
i know big bass lake in quetico, but it will cost you!
we caught and released 5 lb smallies on an afternoon, but i believe weather played a part in that.
you know when you have hit it.
they are where all the smaller bass are, you just need to be lucky to grab hold of a big one!
i know big bass lake in quetico, but it will cost you!
we caught and released 5 lb smallies on an afternoon, but i believe weather played a part in that.
you know when you have hit it.
10/24/2013 04:54PM
quote 45Auto: "12 in black plastic worm Carolina style bumping on the bottom slowly in 10-15 ft of water. Live shiners of course are the best."carolina rig in the BW better bring a few of them
keep your line wet, good things will happen
10/24/2013 08:04PM
quote missmolly: "Shes not holding it out, look at her right shoulder, shes just holding it up a little so you can get the entire fish in the photo. Even if that fish was behind her you can tell its a beast. Something else id like to mention is that fish would look a lot smaller with me holding it because Im twice her size.quote shock: "posted this one before courtesy of the tennessee DNR 27" "
I've shared before that I SUCK at extrapolating fish size from a photo where the fish is extended. If you're holding a 27 inch bass, why would you want to make it seem bigger anyway? It's already Godzilla. So, in this photo, I have a hard time of seeing its true size."
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
10/25/2013 06:45AM
quote Basspro69: "quote bwcasolo: "charlie brewer head with 4 inch power worm, deadly!"My Number 1 lure for Smallies."
By far my favorite bait for Smallies also. Last year they preferred motor oil chartreuse over black . River fish it's camo.
"My greatest fear is that when technology surpasses human interaction we have raised a generation of idiots" Albert Einstein
10/25/2013 07:55AM
quote Basspro69: "quote missmolly: "Shes not holding it out, look at her right shoulder, shes just holding it up a little so you can get the entire fish in the photo. Even if that fish was behind her you can tell its a beast. Something else id like to mention is that fish would look a lot smaller with me holding it because Im twice her size. "quote shock: "posted this one before courtesy of the tennessee DNR 27" "
I've shared before that I SUCK at extrapolating fish size from a photo where the fish is extended. If you're holding a 27 inch bass, why would you want to make it seem bigger anyway? It's already Godzilla. So, in this photo, I have a hard time of seeing its true size."
Brad, you're so nice to folks that I hate to disagree with you, but she's extended her arms. The average American woman is 5' 4". Let's assume she's average. Now, the smallmouth goes above her eyes down to her thighs, which makes it half as long as she is high, making it a 32-inch+ smallmouth. However, I admitted that it's my failing when it comes to inferring fish length when arms are extended. However, it's harder for anyone to descry size without a standard of comparison. An insect, viewed up close, can look huge until one sees it's beside a marble that towers over it. Anyway, when it comes to spatial extrapolations, I suck.
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
10/29/2013 09:18AM
quote shock: "1/4 ounce most of the time unless theres heavy current, or im fishing it deep. The slower fall is the key I believe.quote Basspro69: "BP-solo what size weight do you generally use ? 1/4 oz ?"quote bwcasolo: "charlie brewer head with 4 inch power worm, deadly!"My Number 1 lure for Smallies."
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
10/29/2013 09:26AM
quote missmolly: "The one thing we can agree on with that fish is that it is Huge :-)quote Basspro69: "quote missmolly: "Shes not holding it out, look at her right shoulder, shes just holding it up a little so you can get the entire fish in the photo. Even if that fish was behind her you can tell its a beast. Something else id like to mention is that fish would look a lot smaller with me holding it because Im twice her size. "quote shock: "posted this one before courtesy of the tennessee DNR 27" "
I've shared before that I SUCK at extrapolating fish size from a photo where the fish is extended. If you're holding a 27 inch bass, why would you want to make it seem bigger anyway? It's already Godzilla. So, in this photo, I have a hard time of seeing its true size."
Brad, you're so nice to folks that I hate to disagree with you, but she's extended her arms. The average American woman is 5' 4". Let's assume she's average. Now, the smallmouth goes above her eyes down to her thighs, which makes it half as long as she is high, making it a 32-inch+ smallmouth. However, I admitted that it's my failing when it comes to inferring fish length when arms are extended. However, it's harder for anyone to descry size without a standard of comparison. An insect, viewed up close, can look huge until one sees it's beside a marble that towers over it. Anyway, when it comes to spatial extrapolations, I suck."
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
10/29/2013 10:28AM
quote Basspro69: "quote missmolly: "The one thing we can agree on with that fish is that it is Huge :-)"quote Basspro69: "quote missmolly: "Shes not holding it out, look at her right shoulder, shes just holding it up a little so you can get the entire fish in the photo. Even if that fish was behind her you can tell its a beast. Something else id like to mention is that fish would look a lot smaller with me holding it because Im twice her size. "quote shock: "posted this one before courtesy of the tennessee DNR 27" "
I've shared before that I SUCK at extrapolating fish size from a photo where the fish is extended. If you're holding a 27 inch bass, why would you want to make it seem bigger anyway? It's already Godzilla. So, in this photo, I have a hard time of seeing its true size."
Brad, you're so nice to folks that I hate to disagree with you, but she's extended her arms. The average American woman is 5' 4". Let's assume she's average. Now, the smallmouth goes above her eyes down to her thighs, which makes it half as long as she is high, making it a 32-inch+ smallmouth. However, I admitted that it's my failing when it comes to inferring fish length when arms are extended. However, it's harder for anyone to descry size without a standard of comparison. An insect, viewed up close, can look huge until one sees it's beside a marble that towers over it. Anyway, when it comes to spatial extrapolations, I suck."
And how, cyberpal!
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
11/01/2013 03:32PM
quote MagicStik: "I am interested also. BP....maybe start up a new post with detailed info, pics, and a how to video??? :)When I get a chance I will post pictures, just fish it like you would a plastic craw, hop hop swim hop. If the fish are really active you can just swim it and it gets attacked :-)
Magic"
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
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