CCC buildings

Pretty neat opportunity!

Passport in Time is a great gig! I have volunteered for several of their projects all over the country.

All sounds good on paper and in pictures, but does the SNF have reports
on the hazards? Lead paint, asbestos shingles, asbestos insulation?
Unless this was professionally done, everyone working on this type of
project is at risk. There are laws about doing this.

quote guest: "All sounds good on paper and in pictures, but does the SNF have reports
on the hazards? Lead paint, asbestos shingles, asbestos insulation?
Unless this was professionally done, everyone working on this type of
project is at risk. There are laws about doing this.


"

Then don't participate.

quote Frenchy19: "

quote guest: "All sounds good on paper and in pictures, but does the SNF have reports
on the hazards? Lead paint, asbestos shingles, asbestos insulation?
Unless this was professionally done, everyone working on this type of
project is at risk. There are laws about doing this.



"

Then don't participate. "

Ok then go against federal law, and strip lead paint, tear out moldy logs.
spread asbestos fibers around and that's ok? I've called the powers of this
program and get no answer on the safety analysis. Catch all the cancer
you want, from known carcinogens and write me back in 5 years from your
deathbed.

quote : "

quote Frenchy19: "

quote guest: "All sounds good on paper and in pictures, but does the SNF have reports
on the hazards? Lead paint, asbestos shingles, asbestos insulation?
Unless this was professionally done, everyone working on this type of
project is at risk. There are laws about doing this.



"

Then don't participate. "

Ok then go against federal law, and strip lead paint, tear out moldy logs.
spread asbestos fibers around and that's ok? I've called the powers of this
program and get no answer on the safety analysis. Catch all the cancer
you want, from known carcinogens and write me back in 5 years from your
deathbed."

I would like to think the Forest Service has coordinated this with the EPA, but judging from some of the things SNF has done, I kinda doubt it.

The Department of Justice puts out a monthly Environmental Crimes bulletin and there is always at least one prosecution for asbestos removal:

United States v. Anastasios Kolokouris, No. 6:12-CR-06015 (W.D.N.Y.), AUSA Craig Gestring.
On June 20, 2016, Anastasios Kolokouris was sentenced to pay a $15,000 fine, complete a two-year term of probation, and perform 150 hours of community service. He also was ordered to pay $250 in restitution (or $50 to five victims). Kolokouris previously pleaded guilty to violating the Clean Air Act asbestos work practice standards (42 U.S.C. §§ 7412, 7413(c)(1)). Acting on a complaint in December 2011, a state inspector visited the defendant’s warehouse and observed people working in a large dumpster next to a loading dock, with significant quantities of what appeared to be asbestos-containing material in and around the dumpster. Further investigation resulted in the seizure of more than 90 bags of dry, friable asbestos from inside the warehouse. Kolokouris hired several civilian workers (including a 16 year-old child) without any asbestos training or experience to clean out the dumpster and load it into bags. The dumpster was near a school bus stop and several homes. During the investigation, workers were interviewed and indicated that they knew Kolokouris from working for him at other odd jobs. They reported that the defendant told them that he would pay cash to remove asbestos from the dumpster, because the container company would not remove it while it was full of asbestos. This case was investigated by the U.S. EPA Criminal Investigation Division, the N.Y. State Department of Environmental Conservation Police Bureau of Environmental Crimes Investigation, the N.Y. State Department of Labor Asbestos Control Bureau, and the City of Rochester Police Department.

Link below. Click on July 2016 and scroll to page 17.


Article

Whoa, Guest Paddler. This is a place for civil discourse. Create a login name and get on board.
And BTW, this project has issues, of course. But the issues you raised are successfully dealt with everyday. It is common practice. Not that you don't need to be mindful of the issues but they are all easily mitigated.
But mostly: Whoa!!!

quote : "

quote Frenchy19: "

quote guest: "All sounds good on paper and in pictures, but does the SNF have reports
on the hazards? Lead paint, asbestos shingles, asbestos insulation?
Unless this was professionally done, everyone working on this type of
project is at risk. There are laws about doing this.



"

Then don't participate. "

Ok then go against federal law, and strip lead paint, tear out moldy logs.
spread asbestos fibers around and that's ok? I've called the powers of this
program and get no answer on the safety analysis. Catch all the cancer
you want, from known carcinogens and write me back in 5 years from your
deathbed."

Like I said, if you do not want to participate, don't.

I can't speak for the Superior NF, but I know in the US Fish and Wildlife Service when we tore down a building or had a contractor do it.

The building first had to be inspected for asbestos, and then we had to have a licensed contractor certified in Asbestos removal take it out, before we could have the building torn down, or have an alteration to that part of the building done.

My dad spent time at a CCC camp on Caribou Lake near Lutsen. Here's a couple of pictures.

That is neat! What did they mainly do, at that particular camp?

quote rtallent: "That is neat! What did they mainly do, at that particular camp?"

My dad didn't talk to much about the ccc days. I know they cut pulp in the winter. He did tell me one story about putting up ice. It was a cold day and when the whistle blew to end the day he put down his ice saw and headed for the wagon to take them back to the barracks. The old Norwegian guy supervising told him to pick up the saw and finish the block. My dad said he took a couple of pulls on the saw and then "accidentally" dropped it in the lake. The old Norwegian look at him a long while and then said .... Ok you can go. He said it was very hard work looking back at it but at the time all they new was hard work and they got to send home money every month.

I have tried to research the different camps but there is not a lot of info about the different camps in Minnesota.

It is my understanding that they did not "get" to send money home, but that they had to send money home. It was part of the deal to work for the CCC.

My dad made an overnight stop at a CCC camp on his way to a canoe trip back in the '30's.

Dad's trip

quote Unas10: "It is my understanding that they did not "get" to send money home, but that they had to send money home. It was part of the deal to work for the CCC.


My dad made an overnight stop at a CCC camp on his way to a canoe trip back in the '30's.


Dad's trip "

that is a great story! how many people that age today would do the trip the way your dad, Al and Jack did it!?

The CCC did some great project in and around the BWCA - Oh, how I miss those portage rests!!!

Back in '91 I was work projects coordinator for the MCC at St. Croix State Park and we had an anniversary gathering where the younger MCC crews got together with a lot of the old timers from the CCC's. We had a cooperative partnership in restoring one of their original sites at the park...and to this day remains one of my fondest memories...was a fun weekend of story telling and reminiscing. We owe a great debt of gratitude to those guys, the projects they built, and the legacy they left! It was a different time when people wanted to (and would) work hard, and the public supported them with an opportunity rather than a handout. We need to get back to that..

Ah, the good ole days. The times before the Chandler Act and New Deal when the poor farms and workhouses were full, and people hummed catchy Ada Blenkhorn tunes while waiting in soup lines. : )

quote inspector13: "
Ah, the good ole days. The times before the Chandler Act and New Deal when the poor farms and workhouses were full, and people hummed catchy Ada Blenkhorn tunes while waiting in soup lines. : )


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Is that supposed to be funny?

It is actually an attempt to bring enlightenment to the false trappings one can encounter when participating in nostalgia.

You mean like posting pics of a 1972 canoe trip in your photo album...those kind of false trappings? Nevermind..

This is cool!

I am a bit of a history buff on the CCC. They built beautiful lodges in IL! They did have to send money home. Hard work! I like looking at the pictures of the boys and wondering what life was really like among them!

I worked at Isabella for the FS from 00-03.
A few times buses came through doing CCC tours. I talked to a few of the old timers then about the CCC's.

I remember them telling me about where the old camps used to be located.
They would reminisce about walking to a neighboring CCC camp to visit friends, 10 miles away in the middle of an Isabella winter, like it was a stroll in the park.

I'm guessing that there are few of those old salty fellows left alive now.

There used to be a Pulaski in our fire cache with CCC stamped into it by the handle.
I think my engine crew member took it home to Michigan with him. (Too Bad)