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any updates?

Hope this doesn't turn into another economic stimulus package for the arrowhead. This spring a control burn turned onto the Foss fire. Few years back forest circus dumped 1700 gallons of napalm- gas on a small fire, turned into the pagami fire. That cost tax payers 22 million dollars. Many of friends forced to leave their homes.
Can anyone tell me why they don't log it? Sell the timber not burn it! Better for the environment and the people. One thing the road never brought to Ely was common sense.
When the next fire gets out of control maybe they can name it after this forum. The bwca.com fire. Pagami fire! To be honest people messing with this that aren't from here scares the hell out of me!!

ellahalley, I wonder if the logging industry would even be interested in logging a wilderness area? Their main concern is making money. With the legal costs, no roads to get logs out, to costly to helicopter log, etc, etc. The costs keep going up. Then look at the amount of "marketable" timber. What percent of those trees blown down by the wind are marketable?
I'm sure that a percentage broke off half way up. I'm not sure logging would be all that profitable.
I remember the Pagami Creek Fire. Wasn't it the unpredicted wind event that really caused the most problems? Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason the Forest Service used Napalm was to tie lakes together with fire line. The Napalm was used to burn out the lines. This creates a bigger buffer between the wilderness area and private property. The use of Napalm in my opinion was for Fire fighter safety because it is applied from the air and gets the job done quicker. When the wind event hit the fire blew up.
I understand about cost, we have a fire burning out here that "so far" has cost the tax payer over 200 million.

The burn is the right way to go and I approve 100%.
We have had two bad storms the last few years around home and much of it is huge oak,white pine and red pine. Much of it loggers don't even want. They don't like to mess with blown over stuff or twisted trees etc. Some logger salvage,much will just rot or a few firewood people will cut it. Actually some of the big pine it is a shame but some is just being ground up to use in a big burner to produce electricity. Have no problem with that except you don't see big pine much and you think of nice sawed lumber for them.

A old saying if you do nothing,you never get trouble. But try to do something and potential something goes wrong,everybody jumps on you,especially some sitting on the sidelines waiting for something to go wrong.

What the media does not tell you (and never investigated) was that nearly all of the acreage burned by the Pagami Creek Fire had been logged off in the 1950s and 60s in a couple of HUGE timber sales called the Tomahawk Sales. The forest service pretty much gave away a quarter million acres of jack pine/black spruce forest, subsidized road building in an area that was supposed to remain roadless (since the 1920s), and the taxpayer got ripped off (as usual).

The Pow Wow Hiking Trail (east and west loops) followed some of the main roads that were built.

Much of what burned was pine plantations planted tightly together in rows, as well as low-quality, second growth aspen-birch-balsam forest --along with the strips of jack pines that were left along the lake shores by the loggers.

The reason that area was logged in the first place was because so much of the softwood forest outside of the BWCA had been clearcut--and left to regenerate into brush and low-value aspen-balsam forest --that loggers were complaining that they were gonna lose their jobs---just like the idiots a generation earlier who clear-cut all the pine, didn't bother to replant it, and were forced to head for the west coast when it was all gone.

Arctic all true. I have been down the tomahawk road more then 100 plus times. You can see the timber stands there with signs in what year they were planted. I have friends that grow up in Forest Center. All the bwca was logged at one time. The area we are talking about is the only area in the bwca that I know of that was replanted. Well the area around the old chainsaw sisters was replanted, but that didn't become bwca until 1975.

quote ellahallely: "Arctic all true. I have been down the tomahawk road more then 100 plus times. You can see the timber stands there with signs in what year they were planted. I have friends that grow up in Forest Center. All the bwca was logged at one time. The area we are talking about is the only area in the bwca that I know of that was replanted. Well the area around the old chainsaw sisters was replanted, but that didn't become bwca until 1975."

There was a old trail on the north side of the Tomahawk road 50 yards from the island river on the west side and that road went for about 4-5 miles inside the BWCA and that had different places with red pine planted also.

Details regarding the planned prescribed fires.

www.fs.usda.gov

quote eroom: " Details regarding the planned prescribed fires.


www.fs.usda.gov "

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