Boundary Waters Quetico Forum :: Listening Point - General Discussion :: Another wall map question
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inspector13 |
It looks like the map maker created a whole string of lakes out of the mine pits and dumps southwest of Birch Lake between Babbitt and Embarrass. |
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outdooraddict |
quote tumblehome: " That is cool. I would really like to do something similar to that! |
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andym |
Extra ideas from my wife: shower curtain version. Decoration on kitchen cabinet doors. Glad to know he did a great job on these. And thanks for finding them. |
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BWPaddler |
quote SunCatcher: "When you take kiporby along and kanoes....they just bring the Map room with em. This is hilarious! No one gets lost on those trips, right? |
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BWPaddler |
quote bwbrian: "I've been looking for a full BWCA wall map for awhile and finally found one. I just purchased the wall fabric version of this BWCA wall map last week and put it on the wall in my office today. What a great conversation piece - the first two guys who stopped by wanted to know where to get one for themselves. Oh mannnnn, I am really tempted. Any idea why the large one doesn't come in wall fabric? What is the paper like I wonder? I really want the bigger one... |
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andym |
Actually, my real question is are the lakes outside the BW labeled well. I'm thinking about the White Iron chain near Ely. And maybe the Fenske loop that can be good camping but is not in the BW. |
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SunCatcher |
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AlfalfaMale |
quote VaderStrom: "quote AlfalfaMale: "I'm guessing here. " My bad. Yeah, that makes sense now that I fully read what you posted. |
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ForestDuff |
It was a version that was pretty dark in colors, at the time I thought I would prefer those colors, but things got lost in the display, lake names were too close in color to the actual lake colors. I liked it, but as GIS guy for the last 30+ years, I had some personal critiques about it. It was also pretty dark for the man cave. That, and with the paper that was used, and the way I had hung it, it would change depending on the humidity, tight as a drum in the winter, kinda drapey come summer. Then a pipe broke in the ceiling and it got water damaged. But I viewed the mishap as fortunate because I could finally get rid of the popcorn ceiling and do the tin ceiling I always wanted. After a few years I finally decided to replace the damaged map with one of the new offerings. Went with the sticky panels, and bought a 4'x8' sheet of laminate countertop to adhere to. Yes, lining those up will test your patience..."Go with the flow Duff." It is not a one person job. Was able to use the same frame with a little trim job. Finished the project last weekend and added lights (a nice addition to the display). On both maps I used tiny little stickers to mark all of the campsites that I've stayed at. |
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VaderStrom |
quote BWPaddler: "I guess I did want it fairly stiff to hang on a wall and withstand 3 kids. Thanks! I only ended up with two because there weren't portages on the first one. Plodder was very kind and sent a replacement with the portages included and also the changed color scheme, but said to go ahead and keep the first one!!! Great customer service and a fantastic product! If anyone else has one and wants to get it to me this weekend at the MWM expo we can get a lamination discount for doing a bunch at once from the lamination place mentioned above. Just throwing it out there. |
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RC |
quote bstrege: "I ironed the maps (on low and with a cloth on top of the paper) to try to get some of the creases out. (It kind-of worked - at least made a little flatter and easier to put up.) " If you iron the wrinkles out of your maps, turn OFF the steam feature of the iron. |
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BWPaddler |
Maybe we should start a thread of photos of COMPLETED wall maps for comparison. Everyone's preferences and constraints are different - there's no best way that works for all. Would be fun to see options collected in one place. BlueSkiesWI - you just keep on saving the maps, you'll have wall space some day! |
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bwbrian |
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BWPaddler |
quote Grandma L: "Kelly, I am anxious to see you finished and mounted product. Think of hosting the women's group once you have it complete! Then, help me talk Sandy into doing a wall!" Absolutely on both counts!! Your home would be the perfect display for this! I have some places to display it where it would be nice to look at from afar, but I want it somewhere I can get up close to it without standing on a couch! |
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BWPaddler |
quote Plodder: "I'm working on a prototype, now. Might as well get as many opinions as you can by posting here, but of course mine matters most, lol. JUST KIDDING. |
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BWPaddler |
Quote was about $60 for that large size and it would take a couple days at the center plus shipping in each direction, etc. Anyway, still waiting to hear from the local place that would do it on site, but bottom line is that if you can afford it, it can be done. I had previously thought I would make my map from the NGS maps - but you need to buy 4 of them at about $20 each, plus then you are dealing with folds and lines plus taping, etc. Still was gonna press ahead but frankly like this idea better and save the NGS for poring over at a table. Plodder, shall I place the Etsy order and then discuss color schemes or wait until you have a new one posted on your web site? |
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Grandma L |
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Plodder |
Why don't I submit a low res proof on this site for comments before uploading it to my Etsy site. Or, I can email the image to interested folks... Whatever works best for all. Thanks |
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Hawbakers |
It's nice to have the maps up year round so we can plan trips or just dream about our next trip |
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DeanL |
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GeoFisher |
I was looking for a good wall map, and found the etsy site, from posts here. I just got my map. It is a FANTASTIC map but it does cut off about 1/4 of the upper part of Quetico. That is not a huge deal for me, I will still absolutely LOVE this map. I plan on using a piece of plexi to stick it to, and then mount the plexi to my wall with a frame around it. I cannot wait to get it done. |
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bstrege |
As you can see, I put four bulletin boards up (got them from Menards for $10 each). Then I ironed the maps (on low and with a cloth on top of the paper) to try to get some of the creases out. (It kind-of worked - at least made a little flatter and easier to put up.) Then I had to fold the maps because there is some overlap between them. I put the maps on the bulletin board using pins. We are filling in the rest of the space with a picture of each campsite we have visited. I am also putting a pin on each campsite we have been to. |
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cyclones30 |
GeoFisher: "GeoFisher: "GeoFisher: "Folks, I LOVE this site.......... Very cool! I see my comments from 2015 are back here not far. We have our Etsy map framed and on the wall in our kitchen. The new true north wall map has me intrigued at 8' x 3' |
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bwbrian |
Map is 51x29" and covers the whole BWCA - there is also a larger 77x44" version. It was made by a guy in Madison who spent several years putting it all together. |
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tumblehome |
My wife found a place in Minneapolis that laminated the whole Fisher map set in one fell swoop. The maps she used are from the Fisher map book that contains smaller maps of the border country than the maps we take on trips. I love this wall map and use a dry erase marker to show past trips and plan new ones. Tom |
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DeanL |
Tumblehome, is the place you had laminate your map open to doing more or was yours a special request deal? |
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cyclones30 |
Otherwise, bwbrian does your map have all the details like portages, campsites, lake names, etc? It almost looks like it encompasses too much area to be able to have much detail. |
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tumblehome |
quote DeanL: I asked my wife and she can't remember who did it since it was about 15 years ago. If I were you, I'd start looking around. My map is a treasure. |
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bwbrian |
quote cyclones30: "I've always wanted to do something similar as well. I'm buying another Fisher book so maybe I can sacrifice the old one for the wall. I wouldn't use it for navigation, but it has a surprising amount of detail. Here's a closeup I just snapped: |
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bwbrian |
quote inspector13: "It looks like the map maker created a whole string of lakes out of the mine pits and dumps southwest of Birch Lake between Babbitt and Embarrass." If you look at an aerial photo of the area, it looks like the entire open mine pit was turned into a lake. Maybe the mapmaker was extrapolating into the future a bit?? The map is not perfect, but then we can find errors on every Fisher and McKenzie map as well. I wouldn't use this one for navigation, but it's amazing wall art, serves as a good conversation piece in my office, and will definitely work for general layout of a trip. |
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bwbrian |
quote BWPaddler: "Oh mannnnn, I am really tempted. Any idea why the large one doesn't come in wall fabric? What is the paper like I wonder? I really want the bigger one..." Not sure of the answers. I'll email the mapmaker and see if he wants to chime in on this thread. |
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BWPaddler |
quote bwbrian: "quote BWPaddler: "Oh mannnnn, I am really tempted. Any idea why the large one doesn't come in wall fabric? What is the paper like I wonder? I really want the bigger one..." Thanks! Itchy finger. Really hoping this works out. You could pass these along: - any chance another color scheme is being planned? - is the large map planned to come in "wall fabric"? - which fabric will be best if you want to find a way to mark on it... (not sure I do just asking for recommendations) Marks might be permanent or might want temporary, haven't decided yet. Thanks! |
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cyclones30 |
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Plodder |
I created the large wall map. (I hope this doesn't show twice... I submitted once before signing up and didn't seem to take.) Some of Your Questions: 1. Large map on adhesive fabric: Right now, I don’t have a large enough material roll to print the big map on adhesive fabric… but will get some, if there is a demand. My wife makes purchases. I’ll have to check with her what a break point would be. 2. Map detail: The map includes campsites, portages, lake names, hiking trails, and more. 3. Mines and pits: The sources of the mines to the southwest are shown as water features. My guess is that if they are not in use, they fill with ground water and runoff. It’s been a few years since production and I think I may have checked aerial imagery. 4. Navigation tool: As bwbrian states, this map is not intended for the field. However, it’s a great starting point, memory refresher, or story tool! 5. Why I made this map: This map exists because the friend who introduced me to the BWCA, many years ago, contracted cancer. It was my gift to him, and went to his family after his passing. 6. Methods: Here is a detail on how I derived portage distances. I transposed distances from the original portage shapefiles from map units to rods by building a spreadsheet converter. I then downloaded a complete list of portages, from the state of Minnesota, with each portage listed as “To (lake name), From (lake name).” Each portage had a list of 3 or 4 known distances from various sources. I compared those numbers with my calculations and recorded averages of the ones that made most sense. Some I knew from memory. Ultimately, some distances change annually, due to shifting soils, fallen trees, and the like. So if anyone has suggestions on how I can improve this map for you or future iterations, I am truly grateful! - Colors can be altered. It opens a can of worms, but I like a challenge! Thoughts for Marking Your Journey: 1. You may take your print to a local copy/printshop and have it laminated. Try using washable dry erase markers. It can be removed with water, but not when accidentally rubbed. I don’t recommend the adhesive fabric for laminating. I think the flexibility of the material is needed for proper wall adhesion. 2. Pins can be used. I’ve seen pins with little flags on them, that can be written on. You could have the paper print mounted on foam board, or purchase a huge 40x96 foam board and install the adhesive print, yourself… trimming the board using a straight edge and exacto knife… carefully! Maybe trim the board first? The mounted piece can be hung on the wall using small brass nails on the corners. Thank you all for your interest in this product and love of the Wilderness! Doug Crews-Nelson |
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wetcanoedog |
so anyway i posted this shot on a outdoor survival site as kind of a joke.i said with a map this huge i could use it as a cover for a emergency shelter..ha-ha-ha...well some guys posted ideas about which sort of clips and cords would work best!"use fish line around pebbles in the corners--no! plastic clips are the way to go"..so on.. so make a big map and keep it handy!!! |
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pamonster |
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DeanL |
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Doughboy12 |
quote DeanL: "I was hoping to build a huge frame with some thin plywood as a backer. I wanted to go this route so I can use tacks and strings to record all the places I've been without filling the wall full of hundreds of holes. No need for me to roll the entire map up but I like the tyvek idea." Now you're talkin'... |
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Banksiana |
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wetcanoedog |
as you can see i was using McKenzie maps,i wanted lots of detail and a bigger size.because i was living in a cabin at the time i had no wall space so the idea was to roll the finished map on large plastic pipes. spring loaded poles thru the pipes and some other fooling around would allow me to roll the map across the main room for viewing,rolling in in one direction or the other would give me a big if not full view of the park. some problems were finding a clear tape,i put tape on both sides,that was strong but still let the map roll around the pipe without a lot of wrinkles and getting good match lines.you need lots of floor space to do this!!this is not the full map as i was not finished when i took this photo some years ago. |
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DeanL |
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Doughboy12 |
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HowardSprague |
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analyzer |
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GeoFisher |
cyclones30: "GeoFisher: "GeoFisher: "GeoFisher: "Folks, I LOVE this site.......... Yea, that true north map seems kewl. I will make another one if we get a map with the BWCA and Quetico on it. As it is my map from etsy only covers about 3/4 of Quetico. It does have some of my favorite lakes, but cuts off north of Kawnipi..... |
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Abbey |
GeoFisher: "Folks, I LOVE this site.......... +1 about this site. I post intermittently, but I read a lot of the posts. I also got this Etsy map and had it laminated with the grommets at that place it Brooklyn Park. Turned out great. I have it in my office, and it is a great “break” to look it over. I would not have found the Etsy map or the laminating without the suggestions of this site. |
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Duckman |
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cyclones30 |
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BlueSkiesWI |
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DeanL |
My question is this, can the maps from the Fisher map book be pieced together the same way a regular F-series map can? How detailed are the maps (campsites and port ages)? How big is each sheet? My wall is about 2' too narrow to make a complete map with F-series maps. The 2 options I'm considering are the Fisher map book or putting the east and west sections of the BW on "islands" like Hawaii is on a U.S. map. I can't wait to finally get this project moving! |
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BWPaddler |
But the 5mil can atill be rolled up easily - maybe not quite as tight as it arrived from the artist. I'd be comfortable rolling this with about an 18" diameter to the resulting roll if that helps you plan. I didn't want it curling on the wall (maybe it wouldn't have, I'm just speculating) so I kept it flat afterwards. You are one lucky duck to have TWO! I will probably end up getting a smaller one for my office some day... |
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OldFingers57 |
quote BWPaddler: "I got it!!! And laminated! How big is that? |
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VaderStrom |
quote OldFingers57: "quote BWPaddler: "I got it!!! And laminated! Also, where did you get it done? I have the large version and i'm trying to find a good way to mount it on my wall. My best thought right now is to frame it with a wood edging and record all my trips on the wood with a wood burner... how is the glare with the lamination? |
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AlfalfaMale |
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VaderStrom |
quote AlfalfaMale: "I'm guessing here. " Sorry, in refrence to the question I was asking where did you end up getting it LAMINATED. Already have a couple of them and want them to last forever. |
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BWPaddler |
I had it on the kitchen table (just barely fits!) and was poring over it, which I can see doing from time to time, so wanted it to go on and off the wall easily. Glare was negligible when doing that. Not sure what it will look like on an inside hallway wall. Will let you know. It was packed against a foamboard thing that might come in handy, but I hadn't planned to mount it. Will use grease pencil if I want to mark on it - gonna try that out on the back side. LOVE IT!! |
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BWPaddler |
I have measured and perhaps it's a good thing the large one won't fit near my desk... but it WILL fit in the hallway outside my office! So - bye bye pictures of kiddos, hello BWCA. Now, I'm in search of Twin Cities lamination costs. FedEx/Kinkos can't do that size. I'd love something where land is in a nice dark/sage green, water blue is fine... any chance of that? Gonna make this happen this time! |
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Plodder |
Your suggestions are gold! I will be doing some tweaking and working up another palette. A few years ago, I started fitting data for the Quetico, extending to the north. I was unable to find a way to calculate portages like I want. I don't like using other people's work. If there is any open source information, I'd continue. The new map would be 51x36 for the small version, but would take some time to complete, unless I feel the fire of inspiration! BTW, I prefer sales through my Etsy site... it's just easier. Plus, it helps my stats there. But I'm flexible and can make arrangements if needed. Regards, Doug |
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sdebol |
quote bwbrian: "I've been looking for a full BWCA wall map for awhile and finally found one. I just purchased the wall fabric version of this BWCA wall map last week and put it on the wall in my office today. What a great conversation piece - the first two guys who stopped by wanted to know where to get one for themselves. My wife bought me that same map last year as a surprise gift--I love it! (sorry-I posted my reply before I realized that the rest of the thread was mostly discussing this one map...) |
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amhacker22 |
Its not the detail of the actual navigation maps, but it might be a fairly easy and inexpensive way to get what you want. The scale is the same for each map, so they should line up. I have to say, though, I like the looks of the giant wall map! Edit: I don't mean to be redundant! Tumblehome had it first! |
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old_salt |
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bwbrian |
quote andym: "bwbrian, that is a nice map you found. The only question is how big! Sizes are 51x29" and 77x44" Yes, the lakes outside the BWCA are well labeled. I was pretty impressed with the level of detail on the map when I got it last weekend. |
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andym |
If you keep working up new palette's, are you going to offer them as options? For folks that want a link to click on: BWCA map on etsy |
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Goldenbadger |
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Plodder |
All said, the paper offers the most refined image, with clean edges and solids. Both are quality options. |
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cyclones30 |
I live in Madison and I'm debating what material to use. Do you lose any detail with the cloth? Is there a place that sells these things and I could look at them or if you have any examples? I'd probably get one for myself and one for my parents. |
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CanoeKev |
quote bwbrian: "I've been looking for a full BWCA wall map for awhile and finally found one. I just purchased the wall fabric version of this BWCA wall map last week and put it on the wall in my office today. What a great conversation piece - the first two guys who stopped by wanted to know where to get one for themselves. Wow! Very nice. I wish they had one that included the Q also. |
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bwbrian |
quote BWPaddler: "Thanks much! Try Staples for the laminating - they have done some pretty large laminating projects for my wife. |
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Plodder |
Let me know what you think! Plodder Link to map |
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bfurlow |
muddyfeet: "I've got the Mckenzie A1 in the basement. Framed and backed with foamboard. Each place Ive camped gets a pin, with more-or-less different colors for different trips. There is something satisfying about the very analog display of a physical pin in a physical map, and I like that I can look at each pin and recall a fun memory of that particular place/day. That's pretty sweet. I like that idea a lot. Saw something similar in a rest stop in Canada. Had a world map on the wall and would show all the visitors for that year. |
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520eek |
Can anyone tell me where to get a map like this? |
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Stimpy |
daverr: "For the Etsy map, are the Quetico lakes labeled? I get that there are no campsite or portage information but what about lake names? Thanks!" No lake names north of the border. It is a very nice map for the BWCA, though. |
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GeoFisher |
GeoFisher: "GeoFisher: "Folks, I LOVE this site.......... And I'm finally done. Here are some Pics: |
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GeoFisher |
GeoFisher: "Folks, I LOVE this site.......... Plexi ended up being way too expensive, and way, way too heavy. I used a piece of 4 x 8 dry erase board instead. When I get the frame built and painted, I will share pictures. Getting that map, all 3 pieces lined up without bubbles, and stuck down was a total BEOTCH. :) |
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THEGrandRapids |
To an earlier point- not sure why the etsy map couldn't shift up and include the Q. it has a lot of map south of the BW which isn't really being used. Wonder if it has to do with map copyrights in Canada. |
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adam |
True North Map Co which was just launched also has wall maps along with their navigation maps. https://bwca.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=gear.gear_guide&cattype=0&categoryid=102&productid=1686 |
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VaderStrom |
quote BWPaddler: "Creative Laminating in Brooklyn Park MN did it - 5mil thickness. They will do a matte finish, but it is more expensive. They laminated it and put in grommets in the top (3 at my request in brass). So I plan to hang on the wall on three finishing nails. I mailed it to them in the tube it came in (USPS $5.95) and then I went up there and picked it up so they didn't need to roll it again. (open 6-6 M-F) It slid into the back of the Suburban just fine, but wouldn't fit in a sedan I am sure. Is there a reason you went with the 5 mil instead of the 3? Increased stiffness, or...? I only have a sedan and I know after having the map on the wall already it won't fit unless I bend or roll it a little. Thankfully I somehow, (don't ask) have two of these maps and it's good thing too! One for the cabin and one for home...it'd be a beast to transport but totally necessary at both locations! So I'm hopefully doing this right the first time as it has double the impact. |
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BWPaddler |
I have to clear space on the targeted wall, but hope to have the whole thing up in the next day or two... and then will have to resist living in the hallway and dreaming. It's been fun on the dining room table and youngest kiddo was checking out lakes she'd like to visit. Maybe by osmosis, it will seep into the older two as well since it will be outside their rooms, ha. |