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jackpotjohnny48
 
06/26/2019 11:15PM
Hi guys,

Leaving for Canada in 39 days (not that anybody's counting), and will be spending the first 3 days of the trip fishing out of a canoe near Kenora, Ontario, before heading down toward Emo, Ontario to fish out of a 17-foot boat for the remainder of our trip.

When fishing out of the big boat, we have a big Beckman Fin-Saver net on board for big pike and muskies. But when fishing out of the canoe, the big musky net takes up way too much space to really be feasible.

And we will be targeting big pike for at least one of our 3 canoe days.

Since we're basically 100% catch-and-release fisherman (except for a few eater walleyes), what's the best way to SAFELY land and release big pike, without hurting either ourselves and the pike, and without having to carry a big Beckman musky net?

Does anybody here have any experience with any Boga Grip (or similar products) that you could review and/or recommend?

It would be nice to be able to hold the bigger pike for a quick photo before releasing if at all possible, although I suppose it's not absolutely mandatory.

Would appreciate any feedback or product recommendations.

Thanks in advance!

John Schroeder
Madison, Wi
 
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missmolly
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06/27/2019 06:20AM
Hi, John. You'll be fishing where I fish. I keep myself and THE pike safe by leaving them in the water. Fishing with spinnerbaits helps a lot with their single hooks. You don't get photos, but I remember all those big girls glaring at me beside my canoe and I assume they lived long lives after I released them. With a single hook, you can grab the shaft with pliers, turn it so the point of the hook is pointing at the water, and they'll generally shake and release themselves. It's a blur, a splash, and they're gone. I did borrow an abandoned, leaky boat on the first day of one trip to finally get a pike pic. We took along a big net to do just that. Here's that fish, caught in the rain.

The biggest musky I ever caught in the Kenora area on a canoe trip was about 47". I didn't measure it because I was fishing alone from the shore and was too busy with the fish to run for a tape measure. I did bring about a third of the fish out of the water to unhook it. The rock was sloped and she was conveniently calm as I unhooked her and slid her back into the water. She was only partially out of the water for less than 30 seconds. I share this musky story to illustrate that a big fish is a challenge on shore too.
 
ParkerMag
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06/27/2019 06:32AM
I just grab them inside the gill plate with my fingers, then my thumb is wrapped around the outside of the upper jaw. This has worked to near-40" fish from a canoe.
 
midfin
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06/27/2019 07:55AM
Good luck on your trip, John.

Help me with a fish net

I've been reading this thread, and there is a lot of great experience being shared.

https://bwca.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=forum.thread&threadId=974133&forumID=14&confID=1



 
missmolly
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06/27/2019 08:15AM
John, I do hope you hook one and go for a Kenora Sleigh Ride, a pint-sized version of a Nantucket Sleighride.

A big pike is more likely to pull your canoe if it's just you. I've had both pike and muskies pull my solo canoe. It's scary and fun!
 
thegildedgopher
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06/27/2019 08:45AM
missmolly: "Fishing with spinnerbaits helps a lot with their single hooks."

Another good option is to use spoons, but replace the treble with a nice big single siwash hook. (image borrowed from In Fisherman article)

 
missmolly
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06/27/2019 09:46AM
thegildedgopher: "Another good option is to use spoons, but replace the treble with a nice big single siwash hook. (image borrowed from In Fisherman article)
Great idea!
 
thegildedgopher
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06/27/2019 10:36AM
missmolly: "Great idea!"

I learned this from this video which was shared here earlier this year I think. I don't go that big but it's a good system that can be modified.
 
QueticoMike
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06/27/2019 11:48AM
We typically paddle to shore and land any that are over 40 inches
 
Gunwhale
 
06/27/2019 05:38PM
Couple of thoughts:

A spoon using a single hook as others posted, e.g. the old classic Johnson Silver Minnow with its single hook.

Pinch the barb down, then un-hooking with the fish still in the water is much easier with a needle nose pliers. Yes, you'll loose a few.

Manitoba requires barbless hooks for example.
 
Zwater
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06/27/2019 05:47PM
ParkerMag: "I just grab them inside the gill plate with my fingers, then my thumb is wrapped around the outside of the upper jaw. This has worked to near-40" fish from a canoe."

+1
A big fish is less crazy than a hammer handle northern in my opinion. The big northerns build up a lot of lactic acid during the fight, and it is important to release them right away. Don't drag them to shore (less stress on fish).
Get them next to the canoe, grab them inside the gill plate, unhook, take a quick picture, put it back in the water, grab the tail and sway it to get water going through the gills, get a big tail splash or it slowly swims to the depths.
 
MrFeesh
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06/27/2019 06:47PM
I tried one of those boga dealys but reaching down to grab them and looking at all those teeth and treble hooks and knowing how they like to explode when you first touch them, I just didn't like having my hand right in front of them.

Now we bring a small net that I put a deeper basket net on.
 
missmolly
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06/27/2019 07:23PM
Zwater: "ParkerMag: "I just grab them inside the gill plate with my fingers, then my thumb is wrapped around the outside of the upper jaw. This has worked to near-40" fish from a canoe."


+1
A big fish is less crazy than a hammer handle northern in my opinion. The big northerns build up a lot of lactic acid during the fight, and it is important to release them right away. Don't drag them to shore (less stress on fish).
Get them next to the canoe, grab them inside the gill plate, unhook, take a quick picture, put it back in the water, grab the tail and sway it to get water going through the gills, get a big tail splash or it slowly swims to the depths. "


Hammer handles are more dangerous. I don't board big fish for my safety. I do it for theirs. I also hate to see big fish dragged to shore. That's a long time on the line.
 
KarlBAndersen1
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06/27/2019 07:24PM
I just landed the biggest northern of my life about 10 days ago.
We had no actual way of weighing it. We just had my 55 years of real world fishing experience and having put northern in my boats that were well over 3 feet long.
I have a gopro video of me hooking it and it took 61/2 minutes to get in the boat.
I'm "guessing: it to be about 44+/- inches. And probably about 35 pounds+. Quite literally it was bumping up against the state record.
I could not have got it in the canoe without this:
 
Zwater
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06/27/2019 08:08PM
KarlBAndersen1: "I just landed the biggest northern of my life about 10 days ago.
We had no actual way of weighing it. We just had my 55 years of real world fishing experience and having put northern in my boats that were well over 3 feet long.
I have a gopro video of me hooking it and it took 61/2 minutes to get in the boat.
I'm "guessing: it to be about 44+/- inches. And probably about 35 pounds+. Quite literally it was bumping up against the state record.
I could not have got it in the canoe without this:
"


State record? I want to see pictures of this fish.
You could lift it with the knock-off bogo grips, but not with your hand under the gill plate?
 
Bushpilot
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06/27/2019 08:11PM
QueticoMike: "We typically paddle to shore and land any that are over 40 inches"
I do the same.
 
KarlBAndersen1
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06/28/2019 05:27AM
Zwater: "KarlBAndersen1: "I just landed the biggest northern of my life about 10 days ago.
We had no actual way of weighing it. We just had my 55 years of real world fishing experience and having put northern in my boats that were well over 3 feet long.
I have a gopro video of me hooking it and it took 61/2 minutes to get in the boat.
I'm "guessing: it to be about 44+/- inches. And probably about 35 pounds+. Quite literally it was bumping up against the state record.
I could not have got it in the canoe without this:
"



State record? I want to see pictures of this fish.
You could lift it with the knock-off bogo grips, but not with your hand under the gill plate?"


I didn't say it was a state record. I said it was "bumping up against......" I was within a few pounds and inches.
I pretty much refuse to stick my hand near the same mouth that has treble hooks in it. That's just a stupid idea.
I have the video. We only had go pro. It took so long to land I released it immediately. She actually belly floated for over a minute and I thought I killed it. Then she righted herself and slipped off. I was relieved.
 
WalleyeHunter24
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06/28/2019 07:05AM
KarlBAndersen1: "Zwater: "KarlBAndersen1: "I just landed the biggest northern of my life about 10 days ago.
We had no actual way of weighing it. We just had my 55 years of real world fishing experience and having put northern in my boats that were well over 3 feet long.
I have a gopro video of me hooking it and it took 61/2 minutes to get in the boat.
I'm "guessing: it to be about 44+/- inches. And probably about 35 pounds+. Quite literally it was bumping up against the state record.
I could not have got it in the canoe without this:
"




State record? I want to see pictures of this fish.
You could lift it with the knock-off bogo grips, but not with your hand under the gill plate?"



I didn't say it was a state record. I said it was "bumping up against......" I was within a few pounds and inches.
I pretty much refuse to stick my hand near the same mouth that has treble hooks in it. That's just a stupid idea.
I have the video. We only had go pro. It took so long to land I released it immediately. She actually belly floated for over a minute and I thought I killed it. Then she righted herself and slipped off. I was relieved."


Okay, okay... for the record the Minnesota State Record for Northern Pike is 45 lbs. 12 oz. caught on Basswood Lake. (No measurements available, but I would guess it was in the low to mid 50" range)

Personally I've caught/seen/weighed many pike in the 40"- 48" range from Minnesota and throughout Canadian waters of Manitoba, Ontario, and Saskatchewan... heaviest of those weighted 29 lbs. 5 oz (on a certified scale).

I'm sure it was a beautiful fish, but making claims that it was "bumping" against state record seems like a bit of a fisherman's tale. And at that point, landing it by any other method than attempting from shore, as Quetico Mike mentioned, would probably do irreparable damage to the fish... even lifting under the gill would probably tear tissue/vessels etc.

Not trying to offend... just my thoughts.
 
missmolly
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06/28/2019 07:17AM
Bushpilot, it's a common method.

Karl, I'd love to see that video. She must have a hippo's belly, since In-Fisherman says it takes about 52" of typical pike to top 35 pounds. Can you put it on youtube or vimeo and link to it?

Chart here.

Here's an estimated 35-pound pike and I believe every ounce of that estimate.
 
WalleyeHunter24
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06/28/2019 07:44AM
missmolly: "Bushpilot, it's a common method.


Karl, I'd love to see that video. She must have a hippo's belly, since In-Fisherman says it takes about 52" of typical pike to top 35 pounds. Can you put it on youtube or vimeo and link to it?


Chart here.


Here's an estimated 35-pound pike and I believe every ounce of that estimate. "


AND, that fish is clearly in full spawn or has a large tumor of some sort. Not to forget it was caught in another continent and may not have the exact same genetic profile as the Northern Pike in North America.
 
missmolly
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06/28/2019 08:10AM
WalleyeHunter24: "missmolly: "Bushpilot, it's a common method.



Karl, I'd love to see that video. She must have a hippo's belly, since In-Fisherman says it takes about 52" of typical pike to top 35 pounds. Can you put it on youtube or vimeo and link to it?



Chart here.



Here's an estimated 35-pound pike and I believe every ounce of that estimate. "



AND, that fish is clearly in full spawn or has a large tumor of some sort. Not to forget it was caught in another continent and may not have the exact same genetic profile as the Northern Pike in North America."


Those European pike grow fatter than ours: Sowtown

Note that the sole North American pike on the page, a 35-pounder, doesn't have the Euro-belly.
 
missmolly
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06/28/2019 08:15AM
Look at the last pike on this page.

Now imagine you're in a canoe and you've hooked a fish and you look over the side and that's what you see.
 
WalleyeHunter24
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06/28/2019 09:30AM
missmolly: "WalleyeHunter24: "missmolly: "Bushpilot, it's a common method.



Karl, I'd love to see that video. She must have a hippo's belly, since In-Fisherman says it takes about 52" of typical pike to top 35 pounds. Can you put it on youtube or vimeo and link to it?



Chart here.



Here's an estimated 35-pound pike and I believe every ounce of that estimate. "




AND, that fish is clearly in full spawn or has a large tumor of some sort. Not to forget it was caught in another continent and may not have the exact same genetic profile as the Northern Pike in North America."



Those European pike grow fatter than ours: Sowtown

Note that the sole North American pike on the page, a 35-pounder, doesn't have the Euro-belly. "


Consider this:
Karl wrote: "I'm "guessing: it to be about 44+/- inches. And probably about 35 pounds+. Quite literally it was bumping up against the state record."

The North America specimen pointed out by Miss Molly was 35 lbs and 50"... 10 lbs 12 oz. shy of the Minnesota State record. I'm sure the pike in question was a nice fish, but I highly doubt it met the specs listed above, let alone making a charge at the state record, given the "educated guess" on the "44+/-" data provided.
A BIG MAYBE HERE, but perhaps if a healthy 44+/-" pike was caught in late March and full of spawn, it may go 25-27 lbs at best.
 
CardinalNation
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06/28/2019 04:55PM
I use a knock-off boga grip from Bass Pro $34.99




Add a float to the end in case it gets dropped in the water.

Also comes in handy with SM with a mouth full of treble hooks.
 
Zwater
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06/28/2019 05:44PM
WalleyeHunter24: "missmolly: "WalleyeHunter24: "missmolly: "Bushpilot, it's a common method.




Karl, I'd love to see that video. She must have a hippo's belly, since In-Fisherman says it takes about 52" of typical pike to top 35 pounds. Can you put it on youtube or vimeo and link to it?




Chart here.




Here's an estimated 35-pound pike and I believe every ounce of that estimate. "




AND, that fish is clearly in full spawn or has a large tumor of some sort. Not to forget it was caught in another continent and may not have the exact same genetic profile as the Northern Pike in North America."




Those European pike grow fatter than ours: Sowtown


Note that the sole North American pike on the page, a 35-pounder, doesn't have the Euro-belly. "



Consider this:
Karl wrote: "I'm "guessing: it to be about 44+/- inches. And probably about 35 pounds+. Quite literally it was bumping up against the state record."


The North America specimen pointed out by Miss Molly was 35 lbs and 50"... 10 lbs 12 oz. shy of the Minnesota State record. I'm sure the pike in question was a nice fish, but I highly doubt it met the specs listed above, let alone making a charge at the state record, given the "educated guess" on the "44+/-" data provided.
A BIG MAYBE HERE, but perhaps if a healthy 44+/-" pike was caught in late March and full of spawn, it may go 25-27 lbs at best."


So the Northern was "bumping up against the state record" and is more then 20 lbs. short of the record for it being a 44" Pike. I'm sure it was a great fish though. Would like to see the video.
 
06/28/2019 06:40PM
KarlBAndersen1: "I just landed the biggest northern of my life about 10 days ago.
We had no actual way of weighing it. We just had my 55 years of real world fishing experience and having put northern in my boats that were well over 3 feet long.
I have a gopro video of me hooking it and it took 61/2 minutes to get in the boat.
I'm "guessing: it to be about 44+/- inches. And probably about 35 pounds+. Quite literally it was bumping up against the state record.
I could not have got it in the canoe without this:
"


Your not alone even if Dan's is not that big, Bass Pro Shops® Lock Jaw Gripper found by other brand names also.

butthead
 
Zwater
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06/28/2019 07:02PM
butthead: "KarlBAndersen1: "I just landed the biggest northern of my life about 10 days ago.
We had no actual way of weighing it. We just had my 55 years of real world fishing experience and having put northern in my boats that were well over 3 feet long.
I have a gopro video of me hooking it and it took 61/2 minutes to get in the boat.
I'm "guessing: it to be about 44+/- inches. And probably about 35 pounds+. Quite literally it was bumping up against the state record.
I could not have got it in the canoe without this:
"



Your not alone even if Dan's is not that big, Bass Pro Shops® Lock Jaw Gripper found by other brand names also.


butthead"


Would it work on a 44" 35 lb. Pike? Not great reviews.
I will just continue to use the age old method of grabbing a big pike under the gill plate. I feel I can control the fish better with this method. Just my opinion.
 
Savage Voyageur
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06/28/2019 11:04PM
I just got back from a fishing trip to central Ontario and caught and landed at least 75 Pike in a weeks fishing. The biggest one was only 38” and most were in the range of 26-28”. All were brought into the boat with the plastic fish grip. I love that thing for Pike and Walleye. If I would have used a landing net it would be doing the floopy crappie dance in the bottom of the boat inside the net tangling the treble hooks and gill plates into a huge mess. It might take 10 minutes of removing treble hooks and fish out of the net. With a fish grip you just pull the fish up and wait until he opens his mouth and clamp down and lift. Next is a jaw spreader and a long bent needle nose pliers. I have used this technique for about 10 years since Kanoes told me about these. A canoe or a fishing boat, I use the fish grip. I think it’s the safest way for the fish, and me. Also fish nets remove some of the protective slime from the fish. A fish grip does not.
 
missmolly
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06/29/2019 07:31AM
On that trip where we took a big net to get a big pike pic, the last day, we went out pike fishing and took the big net in the canoe and fished with a spinnerbait. I paddled and netted and my partner trolled. Here are three pike he caught in a row, the third being big enough to just snap a pic in the water. We laughed about how they were growing in size.

 
Coppernuts
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06/29/2019 07:32AM
Anyone just keep a "gator glove" in their tackle box? You know, a leather or heavy gardening glove whose partner has gone missing. Throw on the glove mid fight, and then use the gill plate method. It really saves your hands.
 
myceliaman
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06/29/2019 06:30PM
Great article in the spring edition of the boundary waters journal in this subject.
 
Zwater
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06/29/2019 10:56PM
missmolly: "On that trip where we took a big net to get a big pike pic, the last day, we went out pike fishing and took the big net in the canoe and fished with a spinnerbait. I paddled and netted and my partner trolled. Here are three pike he caught in a row, the third being big enough to just snap a pic in the water. We laughed about how they were growing in size.


"


Never seen pike held like that. Did he have to change clothes after the slime?
 
missmolly
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06/30/2019 05:17AM
He was trying to support the pike and they make him nervous, as you can see. That first pike was his biggest ever, surpassed by the second, and bested by the third in the net.

Zwater, please share some pics of fish held by you. You said that no pics equal no fish, so I look forward to seeing pics of you holding your fine fish.
 
Zwater
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06/30/2019 10:08AM
I'm just explaining in this thread about how I like to land pike. I'm not telling fish stories about how big or how many fish I caught that justify posting pictures.
 
missmolly
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06/30/2019 12:35PM
Dang it! I was looking forward to seeing your heap o' hawgs. #bonafides

 
Zwater
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06/30/2019 01:18PM
Did I say I catch a heap o' hawgs? Have I ever bragged about the fish I catch?
 
Zwater
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06/30/2019 01:50PM
This is funny. Lets keep it going missmolly:)
 
missmolly
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06/30/2019 02:31PM
Zwater: "Did I say I catch a heap o' hawgs? Have I ever bragged about the fish I catch?"

I was assuming the best.
 
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06/30/2019 02:47PM
missmolly: "Zwater: "Did I say I catch a heap o' hawgs? Have I ever bragged about the fish I catch?"


I was assuming the best. "


Keep assuming if it helps.
 
missmolly
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06/30/2019 03:10PM
Zwater: "missmolly: "Zwater: "Did I say I catch a heap o' hawgs? Have I ever bragged about the fish I catch?"



I was assuming the best. "



Keep assuming if it helps."


Ha! It didn't help a whit.
 
Zwater
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06/30/2019 03:26PM
Well then maybe this will help.
The process of enabling a photograph of the aquatic species is represented in the fulfillment of the human species.

Was that sophisticated enough for your dialect?:)
 
missmolly
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06/30/2019 03:41PM
Zwater: "Well then maybe this will help.
The process of enabling a photograph of the aquatic species is represented in the fulfillment of the human species.


Was that sophisticated enough for your dialect?:)"


Please don't reply to me anymore and I'll do the same to you.
 
Zwater
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06/30/2019 03:50PM
missmolly: "Zwater: "Well then maybe this will help.
The process of enabling a photograph of the aquatic species is represented in the fulfillment of the human species.



Was that sophisticated enough for your dialect?:)"



Please don't reply to me anymore and I'll do the same to you. "


Sounds good. Take care.
 
JuanCarlos
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07/03/2019 11:57AM
Zwater: "Well then maybe this will help.
The process of enabling a photograph of the aquatic species is represented in the fulfillment of the human species.


Was that sophisticated enough for your dialect?:)"


Lighten up, Francis.
 
KarlBAndersen1
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07/03/2019 05:29PM
WalleyeHunter24: "missmolly: "WalleyeHunter24: "missmolly: "Bushpilot, it's a common method.




Karl, I'd love to see that video. She must have a hippo's belly, since In-Fisherman says it takes about 52" of typical pike to top 35 pounds. Can you put it on youtube or vimeo and link to it?




Chart here.




Here's an estimated 35-pound pike and I believe every ounce of that estimate. "




AND, that fish is clearly in full spawn or has a large tumor of some sort. Not to forget it was caught in another continent and may not have the exact same genetic profile as the Northern Pike in North America."




Those European pike grow fatter than ours: Sowtown


Note that the sole North American pike on the page, a 35-pounder, doesn't have the Euro-belly. "



Consider this:
Karl wrote: "I'm "guessing: it to be about 44+/- inches. And probably about 35 pounds+. Quite literally it was bumping up against the state record."


The North America specimen pointed out by Miss Molly was 35 lbs and 50"... 10 lbs 12 oz. shy of the Minnesota State record. I'm sure the pike in question was a nice fish, but I highly doubt it met the specs listed above, let alone making a charge at the state record, given the "educated guess" on the "44+/-" data provided.
A BIG MAYBE HERE, but perhaps if a healthy 44+/-" pike was caught in late March and full of spawn, it may go 25-27 lbs at best."




I made a mistake on looking up the state record.
It will stand as my record.
 
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07/03/2019 08:03PM
KarlBAndersen1: "WalleyeHunter24: "missmolly: "WalleyeHunter24: "missmolly: "Bushpilot, it's a common method.





Karl, I'd love to see that video. She must have a hippo's belly, since In-Fisherman says it takes about 52" of typical pike to top 35 pounds. Can you put it on youtube or vimeo and link to it?





Chart here.





Here's an estimated 35-pound pike and I believe every ounce of that estimate. "





AND, that fish is clearly in full spawn or has a large tumor of some sort. Not to forget it was caught in another continent and may not have the exact same genetic profile as the Northern Pike in North America."




Those European pike grow fatter than ours: Sowtown



Note that the sole North American pike on the page, a 35-pounder, doesn't have the Euro-belly. "




Consider this:
Karl wrote: "I'm "guessing: it to be about 44+/- inches. And probably about 35 pounds+. Quite literally it was bumping up against the state record."



The North America specimen pointed out by Miss Molly was 35 lbs and 50"... 10 lbs 12 oz. shy of the Minnesota State record. I'm sure the pike in question was a nice fish, but I highly doubt it met the specs listed above, let alone making a charge at the state record, given the "educated guess" on the "44+/-" data provided.
A BIG MAYBE HERE, but perhaps if a healthy 44+/-" pike was caught in late March and full of spawn, it may go 25-27 lbs at best."




I made a mistake on looking up the state record.
It will stand as my record."
yes i was thinking the same thing , 45" unless it had a girth of 32"+ , like some old canadian mounts i have seen , it's not there , still an awesome fish !!
gill plating-netting-or your bogo grip , your other canoe partner needs to think about balance & so does the guy with the fish on, the heart is pumping slow down and think and play ,
but yes if you got the pipes very doable in a canoe.
Plittle how did you land those monster lakers ?
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07/06/2019 04:53PM
Paddle to shore.
 
bobbernumber3
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07/06/2019 05:35PM
Frenchy19: "Paddle to shore."
+1
 
plittle
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07/06/2019 06:52PM


I really like big nets for landing bigger fish. If your intent is to release big fish then using a net is best for the fish and greatly increaes your chance of landing it.
 
WalleyeHunter24
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07/08/2019 02:25PM
plittle: "


I really like big nets for landing bigger fish. If your intent is to release big fish then using a net is best for the fish and greatly increase your chance of landing it. "


Actually, a net can be the worst thing you can do for a fish you intend to release. The net can cut through the protective mucus layer, possibly damaging the scales and epidermis, allowing a potential infection to occur and lead to imminent death.

You're almost better off paddling to shore (as mentioned and supported many times in this thread) and hand landing the fish without a glove or other mechanism to assist. The fish can remain in the water while you take rough measurements and pictures, then release. The overall stress of being caught carries other variables that one cannot control.

I know most have best intentions of catch and release, but sometimes fish demise is encountered and beyond our control even when best efforts are implemented.
 
plittle
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07/08/2019 06:05PM
WalleyeHunter24: "plittle: "



I really like big nets for landing bigger fish. If your intent is to release big fish then using a net is best for the fish and greatly increase your chance of landing it. "



Actually, a net can be the worst thing you can do for a fish you intend to release. The net can cut through the protective mucus layer, possibly damaging the scales and epidermis, allowing a potential infection to occur and lead to imminent death.


You're almost better off paddling to shore (as mentioned and supported many times in this thread) and hand landing the fish without a glove or other mechanism to assist. The fish can remain in the water while you take rough measurements and pictures, then release. The overall stress of being caught carries other variables that one cannot control.


I know most have best intentions of catch and release, but sometimes fish demise is encountered and beyond our control even when best efforts are implemented."


I guess this thread is for pike and paddling to shore might be your best bet. However, paddling a big lake trout to shore and releasing it in warm shallow water is not a good idea. Nets arent hard on lake trout skin/mucus.
 
GBTG
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07/09/2019 11:06AM
I just returned from a trip in which I brought a small gaff instead of the net.
I believe this was the best method for landing and releasing big pike. The biggest from this last trip was 42.5. It allowed me to release the fish a lot quicker than getting them in and out of the net. I just gaffed them in the lower jaw and lifted over the side of the canoe for unhooking , after unhooking I lifted them up for measuring by slipping my hand under the gill plate. The fish was never in the bottom of the canoe.
 
PikeEatPike
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07/09/2019 01:06PM
Have never brought a net into the BWCA. Too much hassle. Big pike, love 'em. Depending on the size and how green they are when they get to the canoe, I like the behind the head grab, not in the eyes, I want this fish to be in good health when I let her go, under the chin is the best if they let you and you don't have a crank bait on, or just unhook in the water. If I'm fishing specifically for pike I always pinch the barbs down, easy on the fish any if you ever bury a hook in yourself, easy on you too.
 
WalleyeHunter24
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07/09/2019 01:36PM
GBTG: "I just returned from a trip in which I brought a small gaff instead of the net.
I believe this was the best method for landing and releasing big pike. The biggest from this last trip was 42.5. It allowed me to release the fish a lot quicker than getting them in and out of the net. I just gaffed them in the lower jaw and lifted over the side of the canoe for unhooking , after unhooking I lifted them up for measuring by slipping my hand under the gill plate. The fish was never in the bottom of the canoe. "


So, "gaffing" (puncturing or cutting a hole with a sharp ended iron rod) a fish in the lower jaw and hauling them up is a better landing method than easing them to shore and hand landing, huh?

And how does this support effective catch and release practices?

You must be from Wisconsin...
 
GBTG
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07/09/2019 02:02PM
Walleye Hunter 24 I respect your opinion. Any pike that can be grabbed behind the gill cover is landed as such. I consider myself an experienced fishermen who as a solo fishermen feel this was the best method for landing and releasing a fish of this size. I have netted many large pike and by the time they thrash about in the canoe I untangle them from the net and unhook them well....... I stand by my method. I am from Wisconsin.
 
bobbernumber3
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07/09/2019 02:32PM
WalleyeHunter24: "GBTG: "I just returned from a trip in which I brought a small gaff instead of the net.
I believe this was the best method for landing and releasing big pike. The biggest from this last trip was 42.5. It allowed me to release the fish a lot quicker than getting them in and out of the net. I just gaffed them in the lower jaw and lifted over the side of the canoe for unhooking , after unhooking I lifted them up for measuring by slipping my hand under the gill plate. The fish was never in the bottom of the canoe. "


You must be from Wisconsin..."


You just lost a lot of credibility. And offended a lot of Wisconsin board members.

I'm from Wisconsin.
 
missmolly
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07/09/2019 03:56PM
I'm from Wisconsin and I'm not offended.

I just thought, "That's odd."

I have a couple nice pike pics. Prior to them, I released big pike in the water. From here on out, I'm going to do the same. Nets might remove their protective mucus and have them banging around the bottom of the canoe. Dragging them to shore might increase their lactic acid buildup, tire them more, and scrape them on the rocks. What I just read about gaffing suggests a low survival rate. I'm happy to provide links if anyone is interested or you can simply "survival rates gaffing a fish" and read. I might get lucky and even get a pic of a fish hooked beside my canoe just before it's freed. I assume everyone knows this, but just in case, rolling a pike on its back calms it. A lot.
 
GBTG
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07/09/2019 05:36PM
Picture this small gaff I made as a large salt water hook with the barb removed
mounted on a hardwood dowel. This pike inflicted less trauma then getting hooked by a large daredevle hooked under the jaw . I should have been more clear concerning its size. Also fishing solo as I do vs tandem. In retrospect I'll continue to lurk vs contribute.
 
missmolly
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07/09/2019 07:45PM
Please don't stop chatting, GBTG. I don't know which way is best. I've tried to find a study that answered this question, but I couldn't.
 
Ohiopikeman
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07/10/2019 04:56AM
My crew and I have caught many big pike from the BWCA and Quetico and have tried lots of methods from the standard hand gill plate grab, nets, cradles, boga grips, knock-off boga grips, plastic clamp grips, and paddling the fish to shore.

We pretty much use one of three methods today.

1. Any fish up to ~ 40" - - - Boga Grip
2. Any fish over 40" - - - Paddle to shore while the fight is on, land it on shore (still using the Boga Grip to control the fish once you can get it clamped on from shore).
3. Any fish that is loosely hooked and looks like an eater - - Net with small handle and deep bag.

The landing from shore method works excellent with shallow muddy banks or with gently sloped rock banks. If it's a rip-rack looking bank, this method will not work well. Our goal has been to be able to slide the pike up into maybe 10" of water where the hooks can be removed while keeping the fish in the water in an area where it won't get beat-up if/when it starts to thrash. I've beached three pike over 45" from the BWCA/Quetico and all were good healthy releases. Over the years, we've lost only one pike that was 40" or better. This fish was badly hooked in the gills; my brother spent nearly an hour trying to nurse her back to health before we finally gave-up and filleted the 17 lb pike.

Dave
 
QueticoMike
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07/10/2019 07:41AM
Ohiopikeman: "My crew and I have caught many big pike from the BWCA and Quetico and have tried lots of methods from the standard hand gill plate grab, nets, cradles, boga grips, knock-off boga grips, plastic clamp grips, and paddling the fish to shore.


We pretty much use one of three methods today.


1. Any fish up to ~ 40" - - - Boga Grip
2. Any fish over 40" - - - Paddle to shore while the fight is on, land it on shore (still using the Boga Grip to control the fish once you can get it clamped on from shore).
3. Any fish that is loosely hooked and looks like an eater - - Net with small handle and deep bag.

The landing from shore method works excellent with shallow muddy banks or with gently sloped rock banks. If it's a rip-rack looking bank, this method will not work well. Our goal has been to be able to slide the pike up into maybe 10" of water where the hooks can be removed while keeping the fish in the water in an area where it won't get beat-up if/when it starts to thrash. I've beached three pike over 45" from the BWCA/Quetico and all were good healthy releases. Over the years, we've lost only one pike that was 40" or better. This fish was badly hooked in the gills; my brother spent nearly an hour trying to nurse her back to health before we finally gave-up and filleted the 17 lb pike.


Dave"


Wow, 3 pike over 45 inches! I have not seen many pike over 45 inches up there, can you post the pictures of them? I would love to see them! Thanks for sharing!
 
missmolly
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07/10/2019 10:44AM
Three pike over 45 inches dazzled me too, Mike. Those are huge fish. I've caught muskies that big, but never pike. Not one.
 
mpeebles
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07/11/2019 05:17AM
Although I don't target northerns, when I do hook one I try to get the hook out while the fish is still in the water. Good advice above (any fish).....replace trebles with single hooks, squeeze the barb down, don't play the fish to exhaustion and handle it as little as possible.

I'm with MM on the non pic thing.....I enjoy the memories AND the fish can grow larger over the years because of "lack of evidence ".

I'm from Wisconsin and I'm not offended that some of you are offended, not offended, or offensive OR defensive. We'll find out who's who in the zoo come football time :).

I just wanna go fishin'.

Safe travels.......Mike



 
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07/11/2019 06:04AM
Speaking of Badgers and Gophers......did you ever see what a badger does to a gopher hole?

Safe travels.......Mike
 
missmolly
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07/11/2019 07:08AM
mpeebles: "Although I don't target northerns, when I do hook one I try to get the hook out while the fish is still in the water. Good advice above (any fish).....replace trebles with single hooks, squeeze the barb down, don't play the fish to exhaustion and handle it as little as possible.


I'm with MM on the non pic thing.....I enjoy the memories AND the fish can grow larger over the years because of "lack of evidence ".


I'm from Wisconsin and I'm not offended that some of you are offended, not offended, or offensive OR defensive. We'll find out who's who in the zoo come football time :).


I just wanna go fishin'.


Safe travels.......Mike



"


After all this deliberation, I too am going to stick with my own advice, i.e. barbless hooks and keep them in the water. If I have a partner, I'll have him or her take a water pic if they're able. A broad-backed pike parallel parked shallow by the canoe is deeply impressive.

Every pike pic I have is from the one trip we took a big net. Even a big net doesn't guarantee you'll get a good pic. Here's the proof!

 
bassman
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07/13/2019 05:55AM
Coppernuts: "Anyone just keep a "gator glove" in their tackle box? You know, a leather or heavy gardening glove whose partner has gone missing. Throw on the glove mid fight, and then use the gill plate method. It really saves your hands."

That's what I do. Keep a "pike glove", a heavy leather gardening glove, in the boat.

I usually grab the fish by the back of the head though, behind the eyes as someone else mentioned. The glove really has saved the hands many times from teeth, sharp gill plates, hooks, etc. Not to mention it keeps that awful pike slime off the hands.
 
Aries
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07/13/2019 08:34PM
I'd have to say the safest way to land big pike in a canoe is just hand me the rod........
 
Ohiopikeman
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07/14/2019 04:22PM
Mike & Missmolly,

Here is a picture of a 45.5 inch pike that went exactly 25 lbs from Basswood Lake:



This is it's twin - another 45.5" pike of 25 lbs from Lac La Croix:



This one from Quetico Lake also measured 45.5 inches, but went only 21.9 lbs:





This last one was only 39" in length, but tipped the scale at 21.2 lbs; it's by far the fattest pike we have ever caught as your typical 39" pike usually runs about 15 lbs.





Dave
 
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07/14/2019 05:56PM
^^^ got love those pics ! VN !
 
missmolly
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07/14/2019 06:16PM
I'd like to order the head of the first one, the girth of the last one, and someone to teach me how to hold a pike.
 
plittle
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07/14/2019 08:25PM
Ohiopikeman: "Mike & Missmolly,


Here is a picture of a 45.5 inch pike that went exactly 25 lbs from Basswood Lake:




This is it's twin - another 45.5" pike of 25 lbs from Lac La Croix:




This one from Quetico Lake also measured 45.5 inches, but went only 21.9 lbs:





This last one was only 39" in length, but tipped the scale at 21.2 lbs; it's by far the fattest pike we have ever caught as your typical 39" pike usually runs about 15 lbs.







Dave"


Wow. Those are nice. Thanks for sharing
 
QueticoMike
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07/16/2019 09:09AM
plittle: "Ohiopikeman: "Mike & Missmolly,



Here is a picture of a 45.5 inch pike that went exactly 25 lbs from Basswood Lake:






This is it's twin - another 45.5" pike of 25 lbs from Lac La Croix:






This one from Quetico Lake also measured 45.5 inches, but went only 21.9 lbs:







This last one was only 39" in length, but tipped the scale at 21.2 lbs; it's by far the fattest pike we have ever caught as your typical 39" pike usually runs about 15 lbs.









Dave"



Wow. Those are nice. Thanks for sharing"


+1 That's awesome!
 
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07/17/2019 09:28PM
Basswood Lake near White Island, early September, 2016. Didn't measure, just quick photo. 6-pound line.




 
missmolly
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07/24/2019 05:08AM
Springer2: "Basswood Lake near White Island, early September, 2016. Didn't measure, just quick photo. 6-pound line.






"


Pike pics from another canoe are my favorite.
 
07/24/2019 07:16AM
I have a stowmaster collapsible rubberized net.

I fish in July and August, many times large pike are hooked far from shore. Same with Lakers...hauling to shore whether they swim away or not is most likely a death sentence that time of year. Even walleye...check out my post/pic about 30” walleye and see how far I am from shore that fish would of been delayed hooking mortality for sure whether it swam away or not. My biggest pike ever was in August 42” never took it out of the water, if I did it would have been brief for a pic.

T
 
07/24/2019 07:26AM
missmolly: "mpeebles: "A
"lack of evidence ".



'.






"



Af net. Even a big net doesn't guarantee you'll get a good pic. Here's the proof!


"


The expression on your face is priceless! Might be the best pike pick I have ever seen.

T
 
missmolly
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07/24/2019 03:44PM
T, that fish was lively and it's an embarrassing photo, but it does convey the challenge of bringing a big fish into a small boat.

Hear, hear for leaving them in the water from here on out!
 
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07/24/2019 06:25PM
missmolly: "T, that fish was lively and it's an embarrassing photo, but it does convey the challenge of bringing a big fish into a small boat.


Hear, hear for leaving them in the water from here on out! "


I appreciated it as a moment of honesty and a reality check. Most people only post the good photos. If you look through my phone there are probably 3 bad ones for every good one at least—- lots of blurry shots of fish squirming out of my grip just as the camera goes off, complete with the accompanying ugly look of struggle, or the classic half a finger covering the lens.
 
missmolly
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07/24/2019 07:43PM
thegildedgopher: "missmolly: "T, that fish was lively and it's an embarrassing photo, but it does convey the challenge of bringing a big fish into a small boat.



Hear, hear for leaving them in the water from here on out! "



I appreciated it as a moment of honesty and a reality check. Most people only post the good photos. If you look through my phone there are probably 3 bad ones for every good one at least—- lots of blurry shots of fish squirming out of my grip just as the camera goes off, complete with the accompanying ugly look of struggle, or the classic half a finger covering the lens."


I have some of those blurry photos and the finger on the camera lens photos too.
 
07/24/2019 08:41PM
thegildedgopher: "missmolly: "T, that fish was lively and it's an embarrassing photo, but it does convey the challenge of bringing a big fish into a small boat.



Hear, hear for leaving them in the water from here on out! "



I appreciated it as a moment of honesty and a reality check. Most people only post the good photos. If you look through my phone there are probably 3 bad ones for every good one at least—- lots of blurry shots of fish squirming out of my grip just as the camera goes off, complete with the accompanying ugly look of struggle, or the classic half a finger covering the lens."


Agree, and I meant it...it really is a great pic. Shows the reality of grappling with the beast...and funny at the same time—in a good way not laughing at you, that is honesty not sarcasm.

T
 
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07/24/2019 10:02PM
Springer2: "Basswood Lake near White Island, early September, 2016. Didn't measure, just quick photo. 6-pound line.






"



And this picture is for all those naysayers that dis the fish grip. I love the fish grip for Pike and Walleye. Your picture shows a huge Pike being landed with a plastic $10 fish grip.
 
missmolly
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07/25/2019 05:43AM
Thanks, T.

Here's a nice bass pic ruined by who knows what, for I have no idea what drifted into the foreground. I went looking for some of my blurred fish photos, but I think I deleted them. This was another of my great ideas that sucked, photographing fish on a measuring tape glued to the bottom of the canoe. Those photos are horrible, so cluttered with all the crap that makes it to the bottom of a boat.



 
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