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04/09/2020 02:38PM
Okay the title says it all.
I know we have asked this, or similar questions, a number of times over the years, but here it is again. This is just a fun exercise, and along the lines of the one fly contest. Caveats are that it is literally one lure only (no multiple versions of same lure, or even different sizes, colors or weight. You show up with one lure tied on and that’s it).
You can use any legal rod, line or leader of your choice for a 24 hour period of fishing (Saturday 10:00am to Sunday 10:00am) so you get various feeding windows like dusk and dawn. One prize of a million dollars on the line (pun intended). Greatest total weight of all fish caught wins. If you lose your lure via snag or cut off by pike, etc., you are out, so add that factor to your lure choice (but whatever you caught up to that point still counts towards your total).
I mention the ‘rules’ because I often fish with a lure and presentation (say surface fishing with a black jitterbug) even though I know a different lure, etc. would likely catch more fish, but I just want to fish a jitterbug.
In this contest, choose the lure you feel would catch the most, not just your favorite. All contestants will be on the same BW or Q lake.
I think I know my pick. It’s between two lures, but I will wait to say. Yes, I am dreaming of the day we can all get back out there.
Moonman
I know we have asked this, or similar questions, a number of times over the years, but here it is again. This is just a fun exercise, and along the lines of the one fly contest. Caveats are that it is literally one lure only (no multiple versions of same lure, or even different sizes, colors or weight. You show up with one lure tied on and that’s it).
You can use any legal rod, line or leader of your choice for a 24 hour period of fishing (Saturday 10:00am to Sunday 10:00am) so you get various feeding windows like dusk and dawn. One prize of a million dollars on the line (pun intended). Greatest total weight of all fish caught wins. If you lose your lure via snag or cut off by pike, etc., you are out, so add that factor to your lure choice (but whatever you caught up to that point still counts towards your total).
I mention the ‘rules’ because I often fish with a lure and presentation (say surface fishing with a black jitterbug) even though I know a different lure, etc. would likely catch more fish, but I just want to fish a jitterbug.
In this contest, choose the lure you feel would catch the most, not just your favorite. All contestants will be on the same BW or Q lake.
I think I know my pick. It’s between two lures, but I will wait to say. Yes, I am dreaming of the day we can all get back out there.
Moonman
04/09/2020 05:15PM
The biting off and being done is what gets me. I'd have a jig and certain plastic if I could grab another identical one if I lost one to a snag or northern.
If I get one lure that's tied on and no others.....probably a spinnerbait. Can work it slow and deep, shallow, weedless, etc. And you shouldn't lose it to snags or to toothy fish.
If I get one lure that's tied on and no others.....probably a spinnerbait. Can work it slow and deep, shallow, weedless, etc. And you shouldn't lose it to snags or to toothy fish.
04/10/2020 05:44AM
preacherdave: "Lipless crankbait "
+1 I'm going with a chrome/black 1/2 oz Rattl'n Rap and can go vertical or cover water by casting. Since we only get one lure, I'm using a steel/titanium leader. ;)
You guys with your jigs... say goodbye as Mr. pike has already eliminated you. ;)
keep your line wet, good things will happen
04/10/2020 10:27AM
shock: "preacherdave: "Lipless crankbait "
+1 I'm going with a chrome/black 1/2 oz Rattl'n Rap and can go vertical or cover water by casting. Since we only get one lure, I'm using a steel/titanium leader. ;)
You guys with your jigs... say goodbye as Mr. pike has already eliminated you. ;)"
That's hilarious!
04/10/2020 11:07AM
walllee: "1/2 oz. jig, 4 inch white twister tail"
Great call on this combo. Other than the twister tail will wear out after catching fish for a couple hours. I take the rules as "no rubber replacement".
I'd go with the Mepps spinner, about #4 size.
04/10/2020 12:01PM
F13 Rapala. Long enough to put lure between the teeth and the delicate line. Can be fished surface and subsurface. Will catch the grand slam.
You jig fishers better catch a lot of fish in your first fifteen minutes because that'll be your total time.
A few lines written about the F13 by J.R.R. Tolkein:
One lure to rule them all, One lure to find them, One lure to catch them all, and in the darkness hook them.
You jig fishers better catch a lot of fish in your first fifteen minutes because that'll be your total time.
A few lines written about the F13 by J.R.R. Tolkein:
One lure to rule them all, One lure to find them, One lure to catch them all, and in the darkness hook them.
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
04/10/2020 01:31PM
missmolly: "F13 Rapala. Long enough to put lure between the teeth and the delicate line. Can be fished surface and subsurface. Will catch the grand slam.
You jig fishers better catch a lot of fish in your first fifteen minutes because that'll be your total time. "
^^^What Katie said. ^^^
I've been thinking about this on and off today and finally decided to post my thoughts, only to get here and see that Katie posted exactly what I was going to post. There you have it. The F13 Rapala. (I would have picked the jig if given the chance to replace it after a bite off or snag.)
"Keep close to Nature's heart, yourself; and break clear away, once in a while, and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean." ~ John Muir
04/10/2020 02:05PM
The classic Original Floating Rapala, size 11, black and silver, 4 and 3/8 - inch lure. This lure will take the Grand Slam: walleye, pike, walleye and smallmouth. It can be retrieved in a steady fashion, trolled to all kinds of depths by adding weight to the line, twitched on the surface or brought back in using a stop and go retrieve. I think I would add a titanium leader just to be on the safe side if it were my only lure.
The steady retrieve will catch all four different types of fish depending on the season. You have a better chance of catching a lake trout on a steady retrieve in the early spring. Walleyes can be caught around current or weed beds during the spring using a straight retrieve. Smallmouth and pike can be caught in all open water seasons using this method.
Trolling this lure can produce all four species during each of the open water seasons. Walleye and trout can be found shallow in the spring and deeper in the summer. By adding weight to your line you can reach the depths where these fish are typically feeding during the summer months.
Twitching this lure on the surface can bring smallmouth and pike crashing through the surface to attack this lure. The stop and go retrieve will bring a reaction type of hit from smallmouth and pike.
The steady retrieve will catch all four different types of fish depending on the season. You have a better chance of catching a lake trout on a steady retrieve in the early spring. Walleyes can be caught around current or weed beds during the spring using a straight retrieve. Smallmouth and pike can be caught in all open water seasons using this method.
Trolling this lure can produce all four species during each of the open water seasons. Walleye and trout can be found shallow in the spring and deeper in the summer. By adding weight to your line you can reach the depths where these fish are typically feeding during the summer months.
Twitching this lure on the surface can bring smallmouth and pike crashing through the surface to attack this lure. The stop and go retrieve will bring a reaction type of hit from smallmouth and pike.
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04/10/2020 02:05PM
missmolly: "F13 Rapala. Long enough to put lure between the teeth and the delicate line. Can be fished surface and subsurface. Will catch the grand slam.
You jig fishers better catch a lot of fish in your first fifteen minutes because that'll be your total time.
A few lines written about the F13 by J.R.R. Tolkein:
One lure to rule them all, One lure to find them, One lure to catch them all, and in the darkness hook them."
I hate it when someone’s reasoning is better than mine! Think you might be right.
04/10/2020 02:53PM
Jackfish: "missmolly: "F13 Rapala. Long enough to put lure between the teeth and the delicate line. Can be fished surface and subsurface. Will catch the grand slam.
You jig fishers better catch a lot of fish in your first fifteen minutes because that'll be your total time. "
^^^What Katie said. ^^^
I've been thinking about this on and off today and finally decided to post my thoughts, only to get here and see that Katie posted exactly what I was going to post. There you have it. The F13 Rapala. (I would have picked the jig if given the chance to replace it after a bite off or snag.)"
The F13 Rapala also lets you cast a long ways, another fish-catching advantage.
I hope you and Deb are faring well and staying safe, Pete!
I note that the fish-catching machine, aka QueticoMike, nearly agreed with us too!
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
04/10/2020 03:15PM
missmolly: "I hope you and Deb are faring well and staying safe, Pete!
I note that the fish-catching machine, aka QueticoMike, nearly agreed with us too!"
We're in good company, Katie. :) Yes, we're doing well here. Hope you both are, too.
"Keep close to Nature's heart, yourself; and break clear away, once in a while, and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean." ~ John Muir
04/10/2020 03:36PM
Jackfish: "missmolly: "I hope you and Deb are faring well and staying safe, Pete!
I note that the fish-catching machine, aka QueticoMike, nearly agreed with us too!"
We're in good company, Katie. :) Yes, we're doing well here. Hope you both are, too."
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04/10/2020 03:41PM
Well I see that people are enjoying this question and thought I should finally chime in with my take. Lo and behold, it’s exactly the same as quetico mike, F11 original floating rap, only in perch. But I think you could do as well in the natural Minnow pattern Mike likes too. I think the mepps spinner (I would also agree with #4 if on a regular trip), number 3 for this contest, and the white curly tail are also winners, but feel the rapala would outfish them. Still it would be close! Too bad this is just a thought experiment, as a real contest on a good, large BWQ lake would be awesome indeed! Use a drone to shoot video, and have a funny but knowledgeable commentator announcing results etc. the other unknown factor would be angler skill and knowledge of course (rookie angler A with a floating rapala or knowledgeable angler B with a spinnerbait), but that’s a whole other question!
Moonman
Moonman
04/10/2020 04:31PM
Moonman: "I should also add that I was indeed thinking of Lord of the Rings when I wrote the thread title!
Moonman."
Oh, good. I was starting to worry that I was the only nerd in this thread!
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
04/10/2020 04:46PM
One thing I didn't see mentioned is the time of year?
That might make a difference. But regardless I think a hot smallmouth bite would lead to the most weight of fish in the BWCA. Like the one day I caught 25 smallmouth over 3 lbs in 25 casts. Thats like 75 lbs in under an hour.
Rapala shad rap (shad pattern size 9) hands down would be the lure of choice for me. Cast or troll.
Also I've never used a steel leader so I'm not sure how much difference that makes in number of bites but from musky fishing I've used 60-80 lb flouro leader and would prefer that to steel, feeling pretty confident it wouldn't get bit off.
That might make a difference. But regardless I think a hot smallmouth bite would lead to the most weight of fish in the BWCA. Like the one day I caught 25 smallmouth over 3 lbs in 25 casts. Thats like 75 lbs in under an hour.
Rapala shad rap (shad pattern size 9) hands down would be the lure of choice for me. Cast or troll.
Also I've never used a steel leader so I'm not sure how much difference that makes in number of bites but from musky fishing I've used 60-80 lb flouro leader and would prefer that to steel, feeling pretty confident it wouldn't get bit off.
Fish On!
04/10/2020 07:45PM
missmolly: "Moonman: "I should also add that I was indeed thinking of Lord of the Rings when I wrote the thread title!
Moonman."
Oh, good. I was starting to worry that I was the only nerd in this thread! "
I've just been watching too much of Netflix lately :)
"It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed.”
04/11/2020 06:48AM
HighnDry: "missmolly: "Moonman: "I should also add that I was indeed thinking of Lord of the Rings when I wrote the thread title!
Moonman."
Oh, good. I was starting to worry that I was the only nerd in this thread! "
I've just been watching too much of Netflix lately :)"
Then I stand alone as the only nerd in this thread!
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
04/11/2020 07:19AM
No, I wouldn't think so. I've read that trilogy and the Silmarillion several times and was thinking of the rhyme when I posted. With respect to a lure, hobbits preferred a worm and a hook as their go-to lure. Is that the TGO method? I guess if they added a split-shot sinker about 18" up the line then it might qualify.
If I went with my instinct, I'd fish a 11-cm or 13-cm Husky Jerk in brown/orange since I seem to fish that a lot as a search lure.
The most versatile option that I've read about lately seems to be a version of an orange/yellow jig with a tube bait or minnow. Some version of this seems able to attract walleye and bass, pike will strike at anything and if you added weight to it, you could get it down to the depths needed for lake trout. I could be wrong though.
If I went with my instinct, I'd fish a 11-cm or 13-cm Husky Jerk in brown/orange since I seem to fish that a lot as a search lure.
The most versatile option that I've read about lately seems to be a version of an orange/yellow jig with a tube bait or minnow. Some version of this seems able to attract walleye and bass, pike will strike at anything and if you added weight to it, you could get it down to the depths needed for lake trout. I could be wrong though.
"It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed.”
04/11/2020 08:00AM
missmolly: "Moonman: "I should also add that I was indeed thinking of Lord of the Rings when I wrote the thread title!
Moonman."
Oh, good. I was starting to worry that I was the only nerd in this thread! "
Not the only one! Few years ago my wife and I went to New Zealand and toured the sight of the Hobbit village. It was a working sheep ranch, pretty cool!
04/11/2020 08:57AM
preacherdave: "missmolly: "Moonman: "I should also add that I was indeed thinking of Lord of the Rings when I wrote the thread title!
Moonman."
Oh, good. I was starting to worry that I was the only nerd in this thread! "
Not the only one! Few years ago my wife and I went to New Zealand and toured the sight of the Hobbit village. It was a working sheep ranch, pretty cool!
"
Whew! Nerds love company. I've read that the hobbit village is NZ's number one tourist attraction.
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
04/11/2020 09:26AM
It’s funny, my friends and I do a friendly fall musky tourny every fall, we started out with a homemade trophy with a little statue of Golem holding a fish, mounted on a little wooden pedestal. We use a different trophy now, not sure where that original trophy went to though.
Moonman.
Moonman.
04/11/2020 04:02PM
Moonman: "It’s funny, my friends and I do a friendly fall musky tourny every fall, we started out with a homemade trophy with a little statue of Golem holding a fish, mounted on a little wooden pedestal. We use a different trophy now, not sure where that original trophy went to though.
Moonman "
Ha! Cool trophy. Pity it's misplaced. I'd fish hard to win that trophy!
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
04/11/2020 05:03PM
Agree on the Rapala as first choice, but would opt for the jointed Rapala as these can be retrieved or trolled at slower rates, if needed, and still get good action; if trolling, can also add a sinker 36" in front of the lure to get to desired depths.
04/13/2020 09:34AM
Texas rigged 5in. kalins Arkansas shad. I mainly fish this unweighted and twitch it along slow in shallow water, but a weight can be added in front so it can work like a swim jig. I would use a 50lbs. flouro leader and braided main line.
04/13/2020 07:06PM
Great thread! Gotta go with the Rapala Husky Jerk 10 in Fire Tiger. You can troll it or cast it. All Quetico species love it and can't leave it alone. Lakers, walleye, pike, smallies, and largies. My son literally won't use anything else unless he absolutely has to. Sometimes I wonder why I bring so many dang different lures because we always wind up using them. Of course jigs and topwater (Pop R especially) have their time and place, but the FTHJ10 gets it done every trip. The pic is my son with a Pickerel Lake walleye from August 2020, of course caught on his beloved FTHJ10.
Love the Hobbit references too. I will admit to having sung Sméagol's "to catch a fish, so juicy sweet" song while fishing in the Q.
Love the Hobbit references too. I will admit to having sung Sméagol's "to catch a fish, so juicy sweet" song while fishing in the Q.
04/13/2020 08:21PM
Derrski: "Surprised no votes yet for Zulu's"
That was my second pick actually. Only I use Z-man hula sticks. Deadly, especially on neutral fish. The only reason I picked the original rapala was due to it being more versatile, can work it fast and slow, surface only or crank it down etc. also the rapala is a better laker lure...but someone said up thread you could limit out on smallies real quick and a Zulu type lure would clean up there.
Moonman
04/14/2020 12:19PM
AmarilloJim: "Moonman: "but someone said up thread you could limit out on smallies real quick and a Zulu type lure would clean up there.
Moonman "
Until it fell apart after 50-100 fish"
100 smallmouth, pike and trout or............ almost 1 pike :)
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04/15/2020 04:49AM
So, to summarize we have:
Husky Jerk (brown/orange, silver, HJ10 firetiger) +4
F13 Rapala (Silver) +2
Original Floating Rapala, size 11 (black and silver, perch) +2
Mepps spinner (#4) +2
1/2 oz. jig, 4 inch white twister tail + 2
spinnerbait
Lipless crankbait
3/8oz and chartreuse twister tail
chrome/black 1/2 oz Rattl'n Rap
3/8 oz. pink or chartreuse jig with 4 inch white Kalin Lunker Grub
Rapala shad rap (shad pattern size 9)
Jointed Rapala
F11 chartreuse
rattlin rap
Texas rigged 5in. kalins Arkansas shad
Husky Jerk (brown/orange, silver, HJ10 firetiger) +4
F13 Rapala (Silver) +2
Original Floating Rapala, size 11 (black and silver, perch) +2
Mepps spinner (#4) +2
1/2 oz. jig, 4 inch white twister tail + 2
spinnerbait
Lipless crankbait
3/8oz and chartreuse twister tail
chrome/black 1/2 oz Rattl'n Rap
3/8 oz. pink or chartreuse jig with 4 inch white Kalin Lunker Grub
Rapala shad rap (shad pattern size 9)
Jointed Rapala
F11 chartreuse
rattlin rap
Texas rigged 5in. kalins Arkansas shad
04/15/2020 09:06AM
QueticoMike: "You could probably move/combine the F11 chartreuse with the other size F11 Original Floating Rapalas."
I also think you could easily argue the f13 rapala are essentially the same as the f11’s...that’s what I did in my mind anyway.
Moonman.
04/16/2020 05:52AM
Moonman: "QueticoMike: "You could probably move/combine the F11 chartreuse with the other size F11 Original Floating Rapalas."
I also think you could easily argue the f13 rapala are essentially the same as the f11’s...that’s what I did in my mind anyway.
Moonman."
True. They are basically the same. The OFR is probably the most versatile lure for grand slam fishing.
I can be followed on Instagram @queticomike
04/16/2020 09:23AM
I'll choose a Shad Rap, silver/black, size 9. Better choice than the Original Floater because 1) easier casting and 2) greater versatility in depth...Let less line out, can be trolled in shallow water, but can also get much deeper than the Originals if that's desired. The lipless is a close second, but I think I'd be trolling after dark, and it's not as easy to troll.
Interesting thread...Kind of fun to think about, especially since any scenario like this will almost always need a plethora of details to help narrow down the choice.
Plus, what's the best strategy? Pile up the bass and pike during the daylight hours? Or go for a lure that might catch fewer of them but gives better chances overnight? Does the lake have any big pike or lake trout?
Ah, the kinds of things to think about in a lockdown. :)
Interesting thread...Kind of fun to think about, especially since any scenario like this will almost always need a plethora of details to help narrow down the choice.
Plus, what's the best strategy? Pile up the bass and pike during the daylight hours? Or go for a lure that might catch fewer of them but gives better chances overnight? Does the lake have any big pike or lake trout?
Ah, the kinds of things to think about in a lockdown. :)
04/16/2020 10:09AM
carmike: "I'll choose a Shad Rap, silver/black, size 9. Better choice than the Original Floater because 1) easier casting and 2) greater versatility in depth...Let less line out, can be trolled in shallow water, but can also get much deeper than the Originals if that's desired. The lipless is a close second, but I think I'd be trolling after dark, and it's not as easy to troll.
Interesting thread...Kind of fun to think about, especially since any scenario like this will almost always need a plethora of details to help narrow down the choice.
Plus, what's the best strategy? Pile up the bass and pike during the daylight hours? Or go for a lure that might catch fewer of them but gives better chances overnight? Does the lake have any big pike or lake trout?
Ah, the kinds of things to think about in a lockdown. :) "
Strategy?
Yep, pile up on bass. However, clustered walleye in current can give you serious poundage too. Pike feed in the middle of the day, so I'd target them then.
My schedule:
4:00 a.m. - Walleye in current
6:00 a.m. - bass
10:00 a.m. - pike
6:00 p.m. - bass
10:00 p.m. - walleye
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
04/17/2020 09:04AM
Me personally; I'd go with a 12 oz White Claw, Mango color but can live with Black Cherry, Lime or Watermelon colors as well. Fish literally jump into your boat.
Great thread...I will have keep handy the top 10 list that's been compiled from way better fishing minds than mine.
Great thread...I will have keep handy the top 10 list that's been compiled from way better fishing minds than mine.
Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" and the warrior whispers back "I am the storm". Unknown.
04/19/2020 06:01AM
Lets see if this layout works better:
Rapala
4 .... Husky Jerk (brown/orange, silver, HJ10 firetiger)
2 .... F13 Rapala (Silver)
3 .... F11 Original Floating Rapala (black and silver, perch, chartreuse)
3 .... Lipless crankbait,chrome/black 1/2 oz Rattl'n Rap
1 .... Rapala shad rap (shad pattern size 9)
1 .... Jointed Rapala
Jigs
2 .... 1/2oz White twister tail
2 .... 3/8oz chartreuse or pink twister tail add 4 inch white Kalin Lunker Grub
1 .... Texas rigged 5in. kalins Arkansas shad
Spinners
2 .... Mepps spinner (#4)
1 .... spinnerbait
1 .... Red Vibrax with a gold spinner
Rapala
4 .... Husky Jerk (brown/orange, silver, HJ10 firetiger)
2 .... F13 Rapala (Silver)
3 .... F11 Original Floating Rapala (black and silver, perch, chartreuse)
3 .... Lipless crankbait,chrome/black 1/2 oz Rattl'n Rap
1 .... Rapala shad rap (shad pattern size 9)
1 .... Jointed Rapala
Jigs
2 .... 1/2oz White twister tail
2 .... 3/8oz chartreuse or pink twister tail add 4 inch white Kalin Lunker Grub
1 .... Texas rigged 5in. kalins Arkansas shad
Spinners
2 .... Mepps spinner (#4)
1 .... spinnerbait
1 .... Red Vibrax with a gold spinner
04/19/2020 12:36PM
SammyN: "Lets see if this layout works better:
Rapala
4 .... Husky Jerk (brown/orange, silver, HJ10 firetiger)
2 .... F13 Rapala (Silver)
3 .... F11 Original Floating Rapala (black and silver, perch, chartreuse)
3 .... Lipless crankbait,chrome/black 1/2 oz Rattl'n Rap
1 .... Rapala shad rap (shad pattern size 9)
1 .... Jointed Rapala
Jigs
2 .... 1/2oz White twister tail
2 .... 3/8oz chartreuse or pink twister tail add 4 inch white Kalin Lunker Grub
1 .... Texas rigged 5in. kalins Arkansas shad
Spinners
2 .... Mepps spinner (#4)
1 .... spinnerbait
1 .... Red Vibrax with a gold spinner
"
Okay, I'm changing my F13 vote to an F11. In fact, I hate the F13s and just burned them all in a bonfire because they can't catch fish. I almost, accidentally threw my only F11 on the fire, but four fish hooked onto it as I attempted to toss it into the conflagration.
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
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