For those of you with early trips to Quetico, the border has been closed for at least 30 more days...

May 20 is the new deadline.

Link to above URL: Canadian Border Closing

I wonder if they will open parts of the border or will it have to be all of the border.

I am sure Michigan and Detroit being on the border is going to play a big part in the decision.

Bushpilot: "I wonder if they will open parts of the border or will it have to be all of the border.


I am sure Michigan and Detroit being on the border is going to play a big part in the decision. "

Not much point in closing the "front door" if you leave the "back door" open. And trump has been anything but a friend/ally with Canada since he was elected. Bound to be push back.

Would like to think prime minister Black face will open the border when it is safe. Maybe based more on science and the loonie than his hurt feelings. He should be thankful for all the medical supplies we sent him. Hope it is sooner then later.

Baamaapii

I wonder if it's possible to test people at the border? I know there's a quick test available. If they charge for the test I think it's feasible. I know it's out of the box thinking but it would be better than a closed border for people who want to enter Ontario Parks from the north. $20-30 a test? Put me down.

Now, the wait line of cars could be another issue....

Bushpilot: "Would like to think prime minister Black face will open the border when it is safe. Maybe based more on science and the loonie than his hurt feelings. He should be thankful for all the medical supplies we sent him. Hope it is sooner then later.


Baamaapii"

I must have missed the altruistic part where Canada was receiving free medical aid packages from the USA. My understanding is that the government of Canada has long-standing contracts with companies like 3M and Honeywell to supply these products - for a fee - on an ongoing basis. These are voluntary contracts that mutually benefit both parties. Where I come from, two parties voluntarily participating in a mutually beneficial transaction thank each other.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said free.

Also for the record I love Canada and the people, eh! I spend much time in the backcountry of the crown. The day the border opens in am flying in Red Lake and than to some of my favorite fishing camps, if the ice is out.

I know 3m sent ppe's to them. Our president could have evoked the defense production act on those products and they would have got nothing. The media and some haters are still angry at the president for not evoking the act.

Because of the speed-of-light globalization process, we are all global citizens more than citizens of one country. I hope COVID moves us closer to this realization rather than moving us farther part.

While it's too early to talk about opening borders, I am very hopeful the data shows an opportunity to plan for the opening soon. I can't stand to think of missing a trip this year.....

Signed,

Canadian-Wanna-Be

I’ve never been to Alaska... I have not only a chance to go but to do a big game hunt. While I’m not so much on taking anything myself, I’d love to be at the camp which is a cabin we have to travel by boat to. Also to be able to be in the bush hunting would be fun. If our party scores, there’s the excitement of taking care of the meat and getting it out. My plan is to drive through Canada up the Alaskan Highway to Fairbanks.

Portage99: "Because of the speed-of-light globalization process, we are all global citizens more than citizens of one country. I hope COVID moves us closer to this realization rather than moving us farther part.




Canadian-Wanna-Be"

globalization is what made this a world problem
globalization is why the Great Lakes are being ruined (after we ruined them, somewhat saved them, ...)
globalization is why the US middle class has shrunk so much
globalization ...

ZaraSp00k: "

Portage99: "Because of the speed-of-light globalization process, we are all global citizens more than citizens of one country. I hope COVID moves us closer to this realization rather than moving us farther part.





Canadian-Wanna-Be"

globalization is what made this a world problem
globalization is why the Great Lakes are being ruined (after we ruined them, somewhat saved them, ...)
globalization is why the US middle class has shrunk so much
globalization ... "

My point wasn’t to support the idea of globalization. Just to point out that it is a reality, and we are all in this together for better or for worse.

Globalization seems like natural evolution and not possible to avoid, but then I'm sorry i probably wont live to see the real United Federation of Planets ;)

What I don't know is who - Canada or US - benefits more or less from the border being opened or closed? I thought US initiated closing it, but it seems Canada plans to control reopening.

This thread has so many topics I forgot what the question was...squirrel!

The U.S. leads the world in COVID-19 deaths.

Closing the border to protect Canadian citizens seems prudent, just as limiting traffic from China when they led the world in COVID-19 deaths was prudent.

missmolly: "The U.S. leads the world in COVID-19 deaths."

In total, but not as a percentage of population.

ZaraSp00k: "

Portage99: "Because of the speed-of-light globalization process, we are all global citizens more than citizens of one country. I hope COVID moves us closer to this realization rather than moving us farther part.





Canadian-Wanna-Be"

globalization is what made this a world problem
globalization is why the Great Lakes are being ruined (after we ruined them, somewhat saved them, ...)
globalization is why the US middle class has shrunk so much
globalization ... "

globalization is also why you get to live on the north american continent and native americans mostly do not any more. There is no starting point, we are all globalized.

globalization is also why you live get to live on the north american continent and displaced native americans mostly do not. There is no starting point, we are all historically globalized.

ZaraSp00k: "

Portage99: "Because of the speed-of-light globalization process, we are all global citizens more than citizens of one country. I hope COVID moves us closer to this realization rather than moving us farther part.





Canadian-Wanna-Be"

globalization is what made this a world problem
globalization is why the Great Lakes are being ruined (after we ruined them, somewhat saved them, ...)
globalization is why the US middle class has shrunk so much
globalization ... "

+1

missmolly: "The U.S. leads the world in COVID-19 deaths.


Closing the border to protect Canadian citizens seems prudent, just as limiting traffic from China when they led the world in COVID-19 deaths was prudent. "

I think that should be the US leads in reported deaths, if anyone thinks China has reported the total deaths you need to rethink that. Also by percentage of population we are not the highest.

Using Johns Hopkins University and World Bank figures, this infographic takes countries with a population of at least four million and over five thousand confirmed cases and calculates the rate per one million inhabitants. Using this measure, Spain has the most severe rate with 4,252 cases, followed by Belgium and Ireland. The United States, the country with by far the most cases, still has a relatively low figure in comparison, 2,322 .

Having more confirmed case might be as simple as having tested more people.

The evening news said the US has tested about 4 million. The only other country they said that comes close to that is Spain with about 1.5 million tested.

I also agree how can we trust china, look at how they treat their own people. To think they give a rats ass about the US would be foolish. China wants to eat our breakfast, lunch, dinner and young.

Some countries have a much better data collecting and reporting system then others

mutz: "

missmolly: "The U.S. leads the world in COVID-19 deaths.



Closing the border to protect Canadian citizens seems prudent, just as limiting traffic from China when they led the world in COVID-19 deaths was prudent. "

I think that should be the US leads in reported deaths, if anyone thinks China has reported the total deaths you need to rethink that. Also by percentage of population we are not the highest."

billconner made the same point about percentage. Do you believe Canada should consider otherwise because of percentages?

I do agree that China lies.

Again, do you believe Canada should consider otherwise because of percentages?

I'll be 61 on Saturday. Can't believe it's taken me this long to get it into my head to buy,AMERICAN....... We need to produce the things we ship off to be made over there
.. This has surely caught us with our pants down.

One exception ......
My Jamaican rum...........

missmolly: "

mutz: "

missmolly: "The U.S. leads the world in COVID-19 deaths.



Closing the border to protect Canadian citizens seems prudent, just as limiting traffic from China when they led the world in COVID-19 deaths was prudent. "

I think that should be the US leads in reported deaths, if anyone thinks China has reported the total deaths you need to rethink that. Also by percentage of population we are not the highest."

billconner made the same point about percentage. Do you believe Canada should consider otherwise because of percentages?


I do agree that China lies.


Again, do you believe Canada should consider otherwise because of percentages?

"

Do I think Canada should reopen it’s border to the US at this point? No. No more than the US should open its border to Canada or Mexico. To be one hundred percent honest with you I don’t give a rats ——— what Canada or Mexico does with borders as long as ours remain secure as long as necessary.

For those of you with early trips to Quetico, the border has been closed for at least 30 more days......

I apologize, I thought I was being helpful.

yogi59weedr: "I'll be 61 on Saturday. Can't believe it's taken me this long to get it into my head to buy,AMERICAN....... We need to produce the things we ship off to be made over there
.. This has surely caught us with our pants down.
"

You really think American companies are going to move production back home where it will cost substantially more to pay workers (not to mention the costs of building the infrastructures needed to produce items)? Beyond unrealistic. These companies care about one thing; their bottom line.

And before this pandemic, there were many low paying jobs available in the US-available because, in part, no one was willing to work for the low wages. A local Ace Hardware store closed last summer near me for this very reason; they could not get anyone to work.

Buying American has NOTHING to do with this pandemic.

mutz: "

missmolly: "

mutz: "

missmolly: "The U.S. leads the world in COVID-19 deaths.




Closing the border to protect Canadian citizens seems prudent, just as limiting traffic from China when they led the world in COVID-19 deaths was prudent. "

I think that should be the US leads in reported deaths, if anyone thinks China has reported the total deaths you need to rethink that. Also by percentage of population we are not the highest."

billconner made the same point about percentage. Do you believe Canada should consider otherwise because of percentages?



I do agree that China lies.



Again, do you believe Canada should consider otherwise because of percentages?


"

Do I think Canada should reopen it’s border to the US at this point? No. No more than the US should open its border to Canada or Mexico. To be one hundred percent honest with you I don’t give a rats ——— what Canada or Mexico does with borders as long as ours remain secure as long as necessary. "

You didn't answer the question I asked. For your convenience, here it is again: Do you believe Canada should consider otherwise because of percentages?

It's a question I'm posing because YOU raised the point of percentages, as if that matters. So, if it matters to you, then why?

to miss molly's question, because the number of deaths per million in Canada looks like about a third of the deaths per million in the US (137 vs 49 - stats ) I would think Canada ought to keep border closed. But I can accept my logic may be flawed. It's certainly not in my interest because I have materials waiting for me to pick up in Ottawa, and its holding up my work , but so what?

missmolly: "

mutz: "

missmolly: "

mutz: "

missmolly: "The U.S. leads the world in COVID-19 deaths.





Closing the border to protect Canadian citizens seems prudent, just as limiting traffic from China when they led the world in COVID-19 deaths was prudent. "

I think that should be the US leads in reported deaths, if anyone thinks China has reported the total deaths you need to rethink that. Also by percentage of population we are not the highest."

billconner made the same point about percentage. Do you believe Canada should consider otherwise because of percentages?



I do agree that China lies.



Again, do you believe Canada should consider otherwise because of percentages?



"

Do I think Canada should reopen it’s border to the US at this point? No. No more than the US should open its border to Canada or Mexico. To be one hundred percent honest with you I don’t give a rats ——— what Canada or Mexico does with borders as long as ours remain secure as long as necessary. "

You didn't answer the question I asked. For your convenience, here it is again: Do you believe Canada should consider otherwise because of percentages?


It's a question I'm posing because YOU raised the point of percentages, as if that matters. So, if it matters to you, then why? "

I’m not sure what you are looking for here. I said by percentage of population we are not the highest. I did not suggest that either the United States or Canada open the border based on percentages. We of course are going to have more people test positive than Canada and more people die than Canada, our population is 330,000,000 Canada’s population is 39,000,000.
I’m not sure what you are hung up on about percentages.

Thank you, Bill. If the Canadians are playing the percentages, I totally get that. I do the same thing every time I choose to drive or fly.

nooneuno: "For those of you with early trips to Quetico, the border has been closed for at least 30 more days......

I apologize, I thought I was being helpful."

I think describing the reopening of the border as a "battle" was perhaps too nuanced. Perhaps you meant the battle to prevail against Wuhan lung rot as opposed to the tone of relations. No big deal and thanks for the info!

There is perhaps no better example of two nations with better relations than the US and Canada. It's been going well since about 1814. Even the Swedes let the Germans use their railroads in WWII to fight the Norwegians - who only got their independence from Sweden in 1905. Meanwhile, all Americans do is invade Canada with canoes and poo in their parks.

Lighten up Francis...Nooneuno was obviously talking tongue n cheek :)

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