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02/01/2013 10:01PM
I have been thinking about going in South Hegman lake and portaging to Anglesworm. The portage is about 460rd. My canoe is about 60lb. I am 53 year old but I do pump iron every now and than and still have some muscle strength left in me. What you expert think? Should pick a route with a shorter portage?
02/01/2013 11:06PM
Taking another route? That depends.
I know by today's standards, and with the wide variety of Ultra-light Kevlar, Carbon Fiber, and exotic composites available, 60 pounds may seem heavy. But that's about the "listed" weight of my Wenonah Odyssey, (18.5', Kevlar Cross-Rib @ 59 pounds).
Even at 56 years old, I wouldn't have a problem portaging my Odyssey 460 rods if I was really intent on doing so. When I think back to the times in the late 70's, I was dragging my 17' Grumman "Whitewater" canoe through the BWCAW, (which weighed 84 pounds because of the "shoe keel" and the additional ribs), 60 pounds seems light-weight.
Likewise, when some friends and I did the Louse River route in 1982, which included the 460 rod Zenith Lake to Lujenida Lake portage, I portaged an 80+ pound Old Town Tripper. Granted I was much younger then, but like you, I stay in shape. I'm confident I could portage those canoes again, but why, when I have much lighter alternatives?
As it is, I primarily paddle solo canoes these days, but my primary tripping solos are the Wenonah Voyager, (Kevlar Flex-Core lay-up @ approx. 46 pounds), and the Wenonah Jensen C1W, (Kevlar Center-Rib @ approx. 44 pounds). I prefer the "heavier-duty" lay-ups, but I still consider mid-40's light-weight, even for a solo canoe. I've portaged these canoes with a pack on a plethora of portages, some in excess of one or two miles.
I'm not bragging, (well, maybe a little bit), but I'm not Clay Matthews either, and I'd portage a 60 pound canoe 460 rods without a second thought if my intended route called for it.
Bottom line; it really depends on your physical health and your abilities, but I personally don't consider 60 pounds excessive, even by today's standards.
Just my two cents worth.
Hans Solo
Water reflects not only clouds and trees and cliffs, but all the infinite variations of mind and spirit we bring to it. – Sigurd Olson
02/02/2013 12:38AM
460 rods is about 1.5 miles long, 4.5 miles if double portaged. It would likely take me an hour and a half to just walk it normally, not factoring in a slower speed with a canoe on my shoulders and break periods. That is a lot of walking and a lot of time spent off the water and some paddlers get tweaked out about that.
Personally, I would look at it the Angleworm as taking a combo trip... a little hiking and a little paddling and plenty of hikers hike with 60 plus packs on their backs. So I would say that you could surely do the Angleworm if you are fit, it just may take a while to get it done with a double portage.
Personally, I would look at it the Angleworm as taking a combo trip... a little hiking and a little paddling and plenty of hikers hike with 60 plus packs on their backs. So I would say that you could surely do the Angleworm if you are fit, it just may take a while to get it done with a double portage.
02/02/2013 01:24AM
quote luft: "460 rods is about 1.5 miles long, 4.5 miles if double portaged. That is a lot of walking....
So I would say that you could surely do the Angleworm if you are fit, it just may take a while to get it done with a double portage.
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Been there, done that!
As well as spending quality time in the woods, I also consider it good exercise. :-)
Hans
Water reflects not only clouds and trees and cliffs, but all the infinite variations of mind and spirit we bring to it. – Sigurd Olson
02/02/2013 07:42AM
I took the long portage into Angleworm a few years back (I'm 60). At this point in my life, I no longer battle portages. I still do long portages, i just take my time. I feel that, with a relaxed approach, you can handle pretty much any portage. Just nibble away.
02/02/2013 09:12AM
I agree with the others. A 60 lb. canoe is pretty managable if you are in good physical condition. I might suggest that you take the portage in portions. Carry the canoe a few hundred yards, go back for your pack(s). Carry the packs a few hundred yards past your canoe, then go back for the canoe. That way you are alternating your loads which makes it easier on you.
I'm now 64, have a 60 lb. canoe and would have no qualms about tackling that portage. I just do it in manageable stages.
Hardly anybody loves portaging, but if you take your time instead of hurrying through it, you'll manage just fine.
I'm now 64, have a 60 lb. canoe and would have no qualms about tackling that portage. I just do it in manageable stages.
Hardly anybody loves portaging, but if you take your time instead of hurrying through it, you'll manage just fine.
I set a goal of losing 10 lbs. this year. I only have 15 left to lose.
02/02/2013 09:24AM
I think it should be noted that it's not just the length of a portage that determines its difficulty. I think the Muskeg-Kiskadinna portage is more difficult than the Crab lake portage for example, even though the Crab Lake portage is (at least) twice as long.
He's also not talking about the Angleworm portage per se, but the much less used Trease to Angleworm portage. I have not done either, but I think jwartmann has done both and recently provided a perspective on their comparison. You might want to search to see if you can find it.
The Angleworm portage is supposedly more long than difficult, but the Trease to Angleworm portage...perhaps not.
He's also not talking about the Angleworm portage per se, but the much less used Trease to Angleworm portage. I have not done either, but I think jwartmann has done both and recently provided a perspective on their comparison. You might want to search to see if you can find it.
The Angleworm portage is supposedly more long than difficult, but the Trease to Angleworm portage...perhaps not.
02/02/2013 10:31AM
with the right attitude i see no problems doing the tease-angleworm portage with a sixty pound canoe. believe it or not there was a time, not so long ago, when all canoes weighed sixty pounds or more. somehow people managed. my biggest concern would be with available campsites on angleworm. it does fill up. i plan on doing the 460 rod zenith portage this spring, my wood canoe weighs about seventy something, i don't weigh it, that is information that won't be useful to me. it is all attitude.
02/02/2013 12:37PM
This trip is a good excuse to get in really good shape. You've got plenty of time if you start a program of eating right and building muscle/flexibility soon. I would go for it.
"Life is not about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." --- George Bernard Shaw
02/02/2013 03:17PM
quote jwartman59: " my wood canoe weighs about seventy something, i don't weigh it, that is information that won't be useful to me. it is all attitude."
Now that is a great quote. Maybe one of the best pieces of wisdom shared on this site.
The best thing one can do when it's raining is to let it rain. Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
02/02/2013 06:35PM
Completely doable. But then again you didn't mention how much gear you like to take. My stripper is 58 lbs and I've done some very long portages with it. I also never double. However I do pack very lightly. But will pack more and better food, depending on portage length and number. A big issue is yoke comfort and canoe balance. I've portaged canoes that weighed 50lbs and were hell because of bad yokes and slightly off balance placement, so if that is all good, you will have no problems if you pack right.
If you plan on doubling (nothing wrong with that approach), then there is no issue whatsoever.
Moonman.
If you plan on doubling (nothing wrong with that approach), then there is no issue whatsoever.
Moonman.
02/03/2013 09:03PM
When I did my solo, although I was in my late 30's, I was 250#+ carried a 80#pack with 30# canoe and started my trip with a 380+ single portage.
Now (early 40's )190#+ I still carry a 50+ pound pack and 30# canoe. I am looking to do a solo trip this fall and plan on single portaging. several are long (one is a 626 rod).
As long as there is some training before the trip and you are smart enough to take breaks when needed, you'll be fine.
I look at the....."More experienced" paddlers on this board as my inspiration to keep challenging myself and not to let the size of the portage change my route plans.
I thank you all for your efforts, they help to keep my inspired.
Now (early 40's )190#+ I still carry a 50+ pound pack and 30# canoe. I am looking to do a solo trip this fall and plan on single portaging. several are long (one is a 626 rod).
As long as there is some training before the trip and you are smart enough to take breaks when needed, you'll be fine.
I look at the....."More experienced" paddlers on this board as my inspiration to keep challenging myself and not to let the size of the portage change my route plans.
I thank you all for your efforts, they help to keep my inspired.
Courage is being scared to death... but saddling up anyway....John Wayne
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