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02/25/2014 04:55PM
We're being dropped off by an outfitter at hook island/american point and then paddling to the ranger station. Do we need a BWCA permit for our paddle over to the ranger station? I realize that most of it is over the border, but still. Or is this one of those grey areas and its ok as long as no one takes advantage sort of thing?
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02/25/2014 05:16PM
quote Goby: "We're being dropped off by an outfitter at hook island/american point and then paddling to the ranger station. Do we need a BWCA permit for our paddle over to the ranger station? I realize that most of it is over the border, but still. Or is this one of those grey areas and its ok as long as no one takes advantage sort of thing?"
They drop you off at Hook Island so you're already in Canada, therefore not day use permit necessary.
If they drop you at American Point, I'm not too sure.
Later,
Geo
02/25/2014 06:15PM
The tow boat drivers have a CanPass. They take you to Hook to get you to Canada. I believe as long as you tow to there, you do not need a BW permit. They will also have to pick you up there, or you would need a BW permit (entry from Canada) if you paddle back through the US/BW.
Tell your outfitter your exact plans and they should inform you as to what you need.
Tell your outfitter your exact plans and they should inform you as to what you need.
"What could happen?"
02/25/2014 06:35PM
You don't need any special permit for the tow or the paddle to ranger station. Once you get to the ranger station your paperwork will need to be in order to get your Q permit. I've done this several times, and as recently as last summer.
Questions still? Call your outfitter.
Questions still? Call your outfitter.
Livin' the dream. Just another day in Paradise...
02/26/2014 11:48AM
If it is very windy, sometimes the outfitters will drop you off on American Point instead of Hook Island because it is too dangerous. This happened to us once a few years ago and we ended up camping on American Point that first night because there was no way we could paddle into Cache Bay with that wind. Janice the ranger understands well how the conditions can get out there, so in these cases they go with "safety first" rather than worry about when and where your permit is for.
No, you don't need a BWCA permit since they would be dropping you off in Canadian waters / Hook Island.
No, you don't need a BWCA permit since they would be dropping you off in Canadian waters / Hook Island.
There is a light and it never goes out. Morrissey
02/26/2014 12:14PM
quote Kiporby: "If it is very windy, sometimes the outfitters will drop you off on American Point instead of Hook Island because it is too dangerous. This happened to us once a few years ago and we ended up camping on American Point that first night because there was no way we could paddle into Cache Bay with that wind. "
That explains the big campsite on the tip of American point where there is no fire grate. I stopped there last year to take a short break. I couldn't figure out why the place was so well used but had no fire grate.
-T
03/01/2014 05:45AM
I personally took a tow to hook island and paddled over to Cache Bay.
Had RABC and Passport, and I would not worry about having a BWCA permit...no one will give two hoots if your actually headed to CACHE bay to head into the Q.
SunCatcher
Had RABC and Passport, and I would not worry about having a BWCA permit...no one will give two hoots if your actually headed to CACHE bay to head into the Q.
SunCatcher
"WWJD"
03/01/2014 08:26AM
quote Kiporby: "If it is very windy, sometimes the outfitters will drop you off on American Point instead of Hook Island because it is too dangerous. This happened to us once a few years ago and we ended up camping on American Point that first night because there was no way we could paddle into Cache Bay with that wind. Janice the ranger understands well how the conditions can get out there, so in these cases they go with "safety first" rather than worry about when and where your permit is for.
No, you don't need a BWCA permit since they would be dropping you off in Canadian waters / Hook Island."
One year, our tow could not get to Hook Island or American Point due to wind. We were dropped off on a BWCA island campsite with no permit and paddled to Cache Bay the next morning.
When conditions are bad, "safety first" is more important than permits.
03/30/2014 01:37PM
quote billgkna11: "But to go from the US into Canada, you will need a Remote Area Border Crossing permit (RABC), which you can order online."
order online? thats news to me. do you fax them a copy of the ID they require?
03/30/2014 02:41PM
quote kanoes: "quote billgkna11: "But to go from the US into Canada, you will need a Remote Area Border Crossing permit (RABC), which you can order online."
order online? thats news to me. do you fax them a copy of the ID they require?"
+1 in person at a very few select Canadian customs offices or, more commonly, by mail. RABC
03/31/2014 07:06PM
Sorry to change topics, but I'm planning my first-ever entry through Cache Bay later this spring and I am curious about what happens if we do get windbound on the way in.
If we are forced to camp on American Point, then we'll obviously not be entering on the day on our permit. If this has happened to anyone, is it OK to enter the day after? It seems like the rangers *should* be understanding about something like this--about not wanting people to take foolish risks paddling in big waves--but rules are rules, I suppose.
If we are forced to camp on American Point, then we'll obviously not be entering on the day on our permit. If this has happened to anyone, is it OK to enter the day after? It seems like the rangers *should* be understanding about something like this--about not wanting people to take foolish risks paddling in big waves--but rules are rules, I suppose.
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