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Boundary Waters Quetico Forum Listening Point - General Discussion Kelso and Matt's 2019 Kruger Challenge |
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05/24/2019 03:12PM
Tomorrow morning (Saturday May 25) Matt and I will be starting an attempt of the Kruger-Waddell Challenge. The record, established by Verlen Kruger and Clint Waddell, is 80 hrs 40 mins following the border route (shortcuts allowed) from Sha-Sha Resort on Rainy Lake to Grand Portage MN, crossing Voyageurs National Park and the BWCA. Kruger and Waddell took the Dawson Portage shortcut through Canada (instead of the longer Loon River) so we plan to do so as well.
Although we will bring a SPOT tracker to record our route, we will be navigating solely by map and compass, in the spirit of Clint and Verlen. We plan to start around 7 or 8 am tomorrow morning. Follow along by watching our SPOT track. We're planning to paddle through the nights and hoping for favorable winds. Saturday and Sunday look good, but Monday not so much...
Download our route maps.
Although we will bring a SPOT tracker to record our route, we will be navigating solely by map and compass, in the spirit of Clint and Verlen. We plan to start around 7 or 8 am tomorrow morning. Follow along by watching our SPOT track. We're planning to paddle through the nights and hoping for favorable winds. Saturday and Sunday look good, but Monday not so much...
Download our route maps.
05/24/2019 04:53PM
I'm glad you posted this! Give 'er heck!
To everyone who reads this...this could be history in the making. A 51 year record could fall. Worth watching and tracking as Peter and Matt progress!
At least 216 miles with almost no rest allowed. Good luck, push it, but remain safe!!!
BeaV
To everyone who reads this...this could be history in the making. A 51 year record could fall. Worth watching and tracking as Peter and Matt progress!
At least 216 miles with almost no rest allowed. Good luck, push it, but remain safe!!!
BeaV
05/24/2019 09:00PM
Peter and Matt - Great to see this post. A couple of your college friends are at my cabin for the weekend, They are working on a landscaping project but I have been tasked with tracking you and keeping them posted as they work. We are all cheering for you. Paddle true and SAFE!!
05/25/2019 11:32PM
They are flying..... Appeared to have excellent conditions today with I believe a tail wind at times. They definitely made good use of it.
Made quick work of Curtain Falls Portage at night -- impressive. I've seen NO navigation errors thus far. Very impressive especially being fatigued and at night.
Made quick work of Curtain Falls Portage at night -- impressive. I've seen NO navigation errors thus far. Very impressive especially being fatigued and at night.
The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang.
05/26/2019 03:31AM
This is epic. They are taking advantage of near perfect conditions and hitting it hard (understatement). Few alive could do what they have done thus far. (I've done this basically 3 times before, but not as fast). It's a privilege to know them first hand,. With weather conditions I see in the future and the big lead they "seem" to have on their goal- they have a very strong chance of going sub 78 hr's. A lot can change- (wind may be E on Gunflint), injury etc.-- but this is the fastest tandem I have ever seen in the BWCAW over long distances documented.
The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang.
05/26/2019 04:19PM
So glad they're starting exactly where Verlin and Clint did and taking the Dawson Portage route. The shortcut took about 2 hrs. and 40 mins. I wish I had their times for going the long way, around Loon River last Sept. I'm just curious how much time that saved. They've got a great chance. A pair of iron men to be sure. What a different ride it will be down the Pigeon this time,
05/26/2019 04:37PM
voyager: A pair of iron men to be sure. What a different ride it will be down the Pigeon this time,"
Iron men is a fitting description.
If they beat the record time I wonder if they will take a victory lap around Lake Superior?
Were rooting for you two in Duluth, safe paddles.
May the rivers be crooked and winding, and your portages lonesome, leading to the most amazing view.
05/26/2019 06:32PM
voyager: "So glad they're starting exactly where Verlin and Clint did and taking the Dawson Portage route. The shortcut took about 2 hrs. and 40 mins. I wish I had their times for going the long way, around Loon River last Sept. I'm just curious how much time that saved. They've got a great chance. A pair of iron men to be sure. What a different ride it will be down the Pigeon this time,"
My guess is about 2.5 to 3 hours.
The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang.
05/26/2019 08:04PM
airmorse: "Have they slept yet?"
Doesn't look like they have actually pulled over to sleep. Probably been doing a lot of what they call "Moose Motoring"...close their eyes and "nap" while still paddling...stern checks the horizon once in awhile. Can't imagine they can keep this up, but holy moly they are tough.
They are almost at Maraboeuf Lake...itinerary has them not reaching that until 1pm on Monday. Puts them about 16 hours ahead of schedule.
05/26/2019 09:02PM
My wife just hiked the Grand Portage top to bottom from Pigeon River to Superior today for a training session for her Border Route trip in a couple weeks . Steady hike took 4hrs. She said lots of downed trees and mud. That would be hell to have to face that after a few days of little sleep and unused legs.
05/26/2019 09:41PM
Fullpack: " She said lots of downed trees and mud. That would be hell to have to face that after a few days of little sleep and unused legs."
Not to mention having “canoe butt”.
"Life is not about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." --- George Bernard Shaw
05/26/2019 10:36PM
The part they are doing now (Granite River N of Clove Lake and Pine River S of Clove lake) going upstream) too me is the most mentally / physically challenging part of the route. Right dab in the middle of the challenge. Those ports are not easy and one needs to be quite vigilant or an injury can happen mighty quick. And they are doing it at night.
Looks like they are moving again after a 20 min or so "Break". At this point having been mostly awake for 42 hours- what's the point of sleeping? I don't think they can at this point. Not that they wish they could sleep - craving it - but mentally I don't think they could just shutdown and rest-- until they accomplish their goal.
Looks like they are moving again after a 20 min or so "Break". At this point having been mostly awake for 42 hours- what's the point of sleeping? I don't think they can at this point. Not that they wish they could sleep - craving it - but mentally I don't think they could just shutdown and rest-- until they accomplish their goal.
The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang.
05/26/2019 10:43PM
Fullpack: "My wife just hiked the Grand Portage top to bottom from Pigeon River to Superior today for a training session for her Border Route trip in a couple weeks . Steady hike took 4hrs. She said lots of downed trees and mud."
Sounds like the Grand Portage. Probably worse now since the crews haven't cleaned up the winter blows "yet". That thing is always muddy- and the thousands of slippery/mossy planks....
The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang.
05/27/2019 06:42AM
This is Mrs. Voyager. I stayed with Gma L during last years challenge, and tracked everyone's progress. Looking back at last years notes, Flash and Zoom, as we called Peter and Matt, started the Pigeon River at 10:43 pm. They stopped at Partridge Falls and slept for 1 1/2 hours. They arrived at Ft. Charlotte at 6:19 am, and finished the Grand Portage by 10:00 am. Then we called them Crash and Burn, instead of Flash and Zoom.
They would have finished a little sooner, but got on the wrong trail at the start of Fowl Ptg. Oops! I prayed they'd stop to sleep before starting the Pigeon R, but noooo, they kept right on paddling. Needless to say, I was up checking their progress half the night. Not much sleep for me either. I remembered how bad the Pigeon was in the daylight. Those two added several gray hairs to my head.
They would have finished a little sooner, but got on the wrong trail at the start of Fowl Ptg. Oops! I prayed they'd stop to sleep before starting the Pigeon R, but noooo, they kept right on paddling. Needless to say, I was up checking their progress half the night. Not much sleep for me either. I remembered how bad the Pigeon was in the daylight. Those two added several gray hairs to my head.
05/27/2019 07:22AM
Looking back on last years times, they were at the far east end of South Lk at 12:30 pm. They were done by 10:00 the next morning, approx 21 1/2Hrs. Let's see how badly they beat that time. Go! Go! Go! Flash and Zoom, but do it safely.
Mrs. V
Mrs. V
05/27/2019 12:49PM
They are still making consistent progress. If they can make Partridge Falls on the Pigeon before dark they are set up for the big portage at night. The river from the falls to Fort Charlotte is pretty flat, unlike the upper section. It would not be an issue in the dark.
They did the 2 mile Long Portage in an hour. Navigating Grand Portage in the dark and being even more tired, I would expect them to spend 5-6 hours on the hike.
They did the 2 mile Long Portage in an hour. Navigating Grand Portage in the dark and being even more tired, I would expect them to spend 5-6 hours on the hike.
05/27/2019 02:31PM
Wow, they are cookin!
6 hrs until dark: the last time these guys were on the pigeon it was dark and foggy. Not sure there is much else that would stop them. Finish strong!
6 hrs until dark: the last time these guys were on the pigeon it was dark and foggy. Not sure there is much else that would stop them. Finish strong!
"Everybody needs beauty as well as bread; places to play in and pray in, where nature may heal and give strength to body and soul" -John Muir
05/27/2019 06:04PM
wonder what the pigeon river is like right now... all this rain we've had in southern MN would make that river flow like crazy. looks like they have a cushion of 12 hours or so that might come in handy on the grand portage. stay safe!
05/27/2019 06:57PM
Mocha: "wonder what the pigeon river is like right now... all this rain we've had in southern MN would make that river flow like crazy. looks like they have a cushion of 12 hours or so that might come in handy on the grand portage. stay safe!"
The flow is really high right now...1390 cfs +/-, They will fly down the river in record time. Most of the English Rapids will be flooded with water over all the "normal" boulder field. But, could be some challenging standing wave trains to bounce over, especially at the very beginning where the river is narrow for about 500 feet. Could be nasty for a MN 2 to stay upright. They should get there before total dark but...they'll get an adrenalin boost into their sleepy bodies. Hang on guys and keep your paddle blades in the water!!!! FWIW, the Park Service warns of challenging conditions over 500 cfs but they should be OK.
I don't think they'll be sleeping in the canoe anymore. Eyes open, pushing for the finish.
05/27/2019 08:28PM
All they have to do now is keep the canoe in 1 piece, portage around the falls,portage another 9 miles, and they're in the record books. I think they're through with rapids. I can't imagine anyone dreaming of beating their time in the future. A super human effort!
05/27/2019 09:22PM
I've been tracking them nearly all day. This is amazing. In 2018, they did the Pigeon R. in 6 hrs, actual paddling time. They're really flying. I sure hope they take a few hours to snooze at the Fort. They're on track to finish in less than 72 hours, provided they don't get permanently stuck in the mud on the GP.
AKA Mrs. Voyager.
AKA Mrs. Voyager.
05/27/2019 11:31PM
nctry: "I’m guessing GrandmaL is on her way there now. Housty9 came for the night here or I was going to join her. I’m guessing 4am if they keep going. I didn’t see the time though on the last ping."
GrandmaL loves these graveyard shift arrivals in Grand Portage!!! :O) -- I think BeaV finished around 4AM in 2017 and GrandmaL was woke to a phone call from yours truly to get to the Fort in time. I think Peter and Matt planned it this way!!!! HA!
The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang.
05/28/2019 02:36AM
Yup, I am sitting in the Casino Lobby waiting for them to get closer to the finish before I go out to watch for them. They have passed Cowboy Road and old 61 so it will not be long now. Incredible, awesome, exceptional! Great guys. Powerful accomplishment!
05/28/2019 03:00AM
Going to be about a 3:30 Am finish- almost certainly before 4Am. Which means a sub 70 hour time. That is Ludacrisly nuts.
I congratulate both Peter and Matt on a record that I don't think can be broken for sometime by another tandem.
I congratulate both Peter and Matt on a record that I don't think can be broken for sometime by another tandem.
The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang.
05/28/2019 03:25AM
I wonder if they will/can canoe Gitiegummee to the Marina like some traditions state? Something tells me that is not happening.
The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang.
05/28/2019 03:29AM
According to their SPOT- they finished at 3:25.58AM( or 3:17 and change depending on what Signal is more trustworthy) --- that would make using an "unofficial" send off of 6AM -- total time being 69 hours - 25 minutes and 58 seconds ( or 8 minutes quicker) for those that count such things.
The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang.
05/28/2019 03:59AM
Truly amazing. Congrats on an amazing accomplishment.
The 3:17 and 3:25 locations are virtually the same (to a meter). Seems like the earlier time is valid unless they report something odd. They also have two fixes at the start between 6:00 and 6:01. Good to make sure things are recorded.
What time of year did Kruger and Waddell establish the original record?
The 3:17 and 3:25 locations are virtually the same (to a meter). Seems like the earlier time is valid unless they report something odd. They also have two fixes at the start between 6:00 and 6:01. Good to make sure things are recorded.
What time of year did Kruger and Waddell establish the original record?
05/28/2019 05:50AM
airmorse: "How many miles from start to finish?"
at least 216 miles according to their post. Divide that by 69 or so hours. = Avg rate over 3mph. That's impressive over just water. But, when one thinks of the portaging involved ( at least 40 that I'am aware of and over 20 miles of it) and technical aspects of those portages= uncanny.
The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang.
05/28/2019 06:19AM
WOW! Way to go guys! You did great!!!! So exciting to track you two again. I don't know if I got any more gray hairs this time, from worrying, since I already discovered you're both crazy, but I sure prayed you through the Pigeon River. The GP too, for that matter. I wish we could have been there waiting with Gma L. At least someone was waiting at the end to greet you this year. We tried to get there last time, but you were too fast. Be thankful you don't have to reenact your arrival for pics again. CONGRATULATIONS!
05/28/2019 06:56AM
Congratulations Matt and Peter! Not just for finishing and not just for setting a record, but for having a goal and seeing it through. Outstanding job gentlemen.
Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" and the warrior whispers back "I am the storm". Unknown.
05/28/2019 07:54AM
Way to go guys... you’ll read this when you wake up next week sometime. Haha.
Ok team BeaV and Kendra... guess you’ll have to paddle a little harder in September.
GrandmaL, your getting to be a fixture in Grand Portage. Some people chase storms, others stormin paddlers.
Ok team BeaV and Kendra... guess you’ll have to paddle a little harder in September.
GrandmaL, your getting to be a fixture in Grand Portage. Some people chase storms, others stormin paddlers.
Nctry
05/28/2019 11:20AM
andym: "Truly amazing. Congrats on an amazing accomplishment.
The 3:17 and 3:25 locations are virtually the same (to a meter). Seems like the earlier time is valid unless they report something odd. They also have two fixes at the start between 6:00 and 6:01. Good to make sure things are recorded.
What time of year did Kruger and Waddell establish the original record?"
The different times are because one is a tracking point that is automatic and the other is the "OK" message that had to be sent manually from the guys. I'm sure Grandma L will have helped record what their official finish time was coming into the fort.
From the photographs that were taken from Kruger and Waddell's original record trip and based on the vegetation in those...it appears to be a July to early August time frame. Clint Waddell published their account in the October 1968 "Hut" newsletter of the Minnesota Canoe Association.
05/28/2019 02:16PM
Thanks, BeaV. Time of year is an interesting question to balance length of day versus heat versus amount of water in the rivers. And I sort of have to respect doing it over a three-day weekend to save a day of vacation. Gonna have to think about this trip the next time someone asks about how far they can go in a three-day BW trip. Apparently all the way across is now an acceptable answer for some people. Well, at least for two specific people.
05/28/2019 05:18PM
Thanks everyone for rooting for us, and thanks for the kind words! Matt and I just went to the WTIP station in Grand Marais and recorded a radio interview with Joe Friedrichs, their BWCA news producer. The interview will air tomorrow and be available on wtip.org. Should answer most of the questions! I'll post a link to the interview once it becomes available.
We will write a trip report eventually too. We're relieved that the trip was completed safely without any injuries, and we're happy with our time. It seemed like a nightmare at times, but looking back I'm glad we took on the challenge.
We will write a trip report eventually too. We're relieved that the trip was completed safely without any injuries, and we're happy with our time. It seemed like a nightmare at times, but looking back I'm glad we took on the challenge.
05/28/2019 05:39PM
I can't wait! Did they give you a time? So glad they're giving you two the recognition for this incredible feat. When you can get your heads out of the clouds, I'll be waiting on your trip report. So glad my hubby (Voyager) isn't so young anymore. He'd probably want to try it. My nerves couldn't take it. :)
05/28/2019 05:41PM
Kelso: "Thanks everyone for rooting for us, and thanks for the kind words! Matt and I just went to the WTIP station in Grand Marais and recorded a radio interview with Joe Friedrichs, their BWCA news producer. The interview will air tomorrow and be available on wtip.org. Should answer most of the questions! I'll post a link to the interview once it becomes available.
We will write a trip report eventually too. We're relieved that the trip was completed safely without any injuries, and we're happy with our time. It seemed like a nightmare at times, but looking back I'm glad we took on the challenge."
I second everything Peter said. Best paddle partner in the world. Thanks to everyone for the kind words and encouragement! And special thanks to Mrs Kelso and my girlfriend for taking care of us at both ends of the trip. And an extra special thanks to the 3:25 visit from grandmaL!
05/28/2019 07:02PM
Marshamallow: "So glad my hubby (Voyager) isn't so young anymore. He'd probably want to try it. My nerves couldn't take it. :)"
Thanks Marcie, and thanks for praying for us! God certainly kept us in his care. Don't know the radio time. Is Russ planning to do the Challenge again this year?
05/28/2019 07:34PM
andym: "BTW, kudos for the way you set us up to follow along. I didn't download the route maps but did compare your SPOT track to the possible itinerary with times. That made it easy to see how you were doing."
Glad that worked for you, andym. For GrandmaL and anyone else who wants it, download our final GPX data here.
05/29/2019 06:39AM
Kelso: " Here's a timelapse video of the first 12 hrs of the trip (unfortunately after 12 hrs the camera lens came loose, so that's all the video we got)."
That was fun to watch! Thanks, and big congrats to you guys. Hopefully the radio interview will be able to be downloaded. Looking forward to a trip report as well!
"Life is not about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." --- George Bernard Shaw
05/29/2019 10:55AM
For those of you who don't know Peter and Matt, Here is a couple of pics so you can put faces to the names. Congratulations!
Oh, Peter, the U of M Tesla guys send you cheers and congrats. I spent the weekend with them - ( Ryan L.-Jeremy L. and Patrick B.) Your adventure and success was a constant in our conversations. We are all proud of you and Matt!
Start at Sha Sha Resort-Dove Point
Canoe in Superior for tradition after the Grand Portage
With G'ma L at finish
After much needed sleep
Oh, Peter, the U of M Tesla guys send you cheers and congrats. I spent the weekend with them - ( Ryan L.-Jeremy L. and Patrick B.) Your adventure and success was a constant in our conversations. We are all proud of you and Matt!
Start at Sha Sha Resort-Dove Point
Canoe in Superior for tradition after the Grand Portage
With G'ma L at finish
After much needed sleep
05/29/2019 05:32PM
After saying (the last two times) that he'd never do the challenge again, he IS going this Sept. I'll be tracking everyone again. With 20+ paddlers, tracking will be a fun challenge. At least my challenge won't be as grueling as it will be for the paddlers. I'll have a comfortable bed and the only"rain" on my head will be in a warm shower. You can always pop in for a visit at the Grand Ptg. hotel.
05/29/2019 06:07PM
I really enjoyed the interview. Genuine humility despite the enormous accomplishment.
It's always interesting when people ask "why?" when someone tackles these big challenges. I think most people on this thread understand what it must mean to succeed at something like this, or even to give it your level best.
Kudos.
It's always interesting when people ask "why?" when someone tackles these big challenges. I think most people on this thread understand what it must mean to succeed at something like this, or even to give it your level best.
Kudos.
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05/29/2019 06:19PM
Marshamallow: "No wonder you two were so fast. After watching your video, I see Matt was pedaling also. Or maybe he had a whopping bad case of restless leg. :) I get seasick watching it."
We probably could have gone a little faster if I wasn't upside down on the portages!
05/29/2019 09:52PM
cyclones30: "Kelso: " Here's a timelapse video of the first 12 hrs of the trip (unfortunately after 12 hrs the camera lens came loose, so that's all the video we got)."
Toward the end the long portage w/ 2 track was the Canadian short cut?"
Yeah. That's the Dawson. There were some humorous signs on it. At the start its got one that says "Rest area four miles" and at the end a "You made it!"
There were also a couple of signs warning that proper permits are required to use the Dawson. rabc is the one that they probably care about and technically an i-68 is required to keep the Americans happy. After seeing those signs we figured it might be a popular place where travelers get checked on so we were glad we had done everything legally...even though we saw no one.
05/30/2019 06:25AM
straighthairedcurly: "This is insane! They went about 100 miles in 24 hours. "
The next time I'm feeling smug about cracking 100 miles in a ten-day trip, I'll remind myself of the really talented and motivated paddlers out there. Gentlemen, my congratulations! May your record stand for many years.
TZ
If you want to go quickly, go alone. If you want to go far, go together. African Proverb
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