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jam66
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06/23/2020 01:03PM  
I was going to look at this canoe, The seller says it’s Golden Glass and Kevlar. It’s does not say the the model anywhere. Here is a picture of the interior tag with model , it says “Sawyer 16”.
 
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jam66
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06/23/2020 01:07PM  
Another picture:
 
jam66
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06/23/2020 01:08PM  
She is asking $1000 for it , which I think is way too high.
 
06/23/2020 04:06PM  
There's a Sawyer Canoe group on facebook. You should get a good answer there.
 
andym
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06/23/2020 10:01PM  
If you look through the photo album of the forum member Hanssolo, you will find a bunch of pages from Sawyer catalogs. They may help identify it.
 
justpaddlin
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06/24/2020 10:47AM  
Most likely it's a Sport 16. I expect that it paddles nicely and it looks to be in excellent condition. But it also sounds like the seller is trying to use the word Kevlar to inflate the price. GoldenGlass was the inexpensive lay-up and may have had a little Kevlar in it. You might ask about the weight. 63 pounds is pretty heavy even for a fiberglass boat and the picture of the flotation tank makes it looks like an inexpensive construction. If it's a 42 pound Kevlar boat as indicated in the catalog then maybe it's worth $1000 or close to it, otherwise it's worth whatever you want to pay for a 63 pound fiberglass boat. Scruffy and even decent ones pop up for $300-400 pretty regularly.

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fraxinus
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06/24/2020 02:12PM  
The picture that was posted of the label on the flotation compartment makes me think that it's a fiberglass chopper gun layup rather than a cloth layup. In a chopper gun layup strands chopped up strands of fiberglass are sprayed onto a mold. I think that Sawyer's Goldenglass layup was an interior layer of Kevlar cloth and an exterior layer of Fiberglass cloth, Bell did the same thing with their White Gold layup. IMHO the random strands that you can see in the pic don't look at all like a nice flat woven piece of Kevlar. As justpaddlin said, the actual weight will tell the story, I'd bet the farm that it's chopped fiberglass.
 
06/25/2020 09:51PM  
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fraxinus: "The picture that was posted of the label on the flotation compartment makes me think that it's a fiberglass chopper gun layup rather than a cloth layup. In a chopper gun layup strands chopped up strands of fiberglass are sprayed onto a mold. I think that Sawyer's Goldenglass layup was an interior layer of Kevlar cloth and an exterior layer of Fiberglass cloth, Bell did the same thing with their White Gold layup. IMHO the random strands that you can see in the pic don't look at all like a nice flat woven piece of Kevlar. As justpaddlin said, the actual weight will tell the story, I'd bet the farm that it's chopped fiberglass. "

The Sawyer brand canoes were never a "chopper gun" construction. Depending on the era, (i.e., 70's, 80's, or beyond), the Sawyer brand were E-glass and/or S-glass with Kevlar reinforcements in critical areas of the hull as shown below. The final interior layer often used woven roving to stiffen the hull.

Some of those old 70's Sawyer used a lot of cloth. I had a Kevlar reinforced fiberglass Sawyer Charger that weighed a ton, but it was tough as nails. As far as hull weight, the listed weights were just an average and were often exaggerated by most all canoe manufacturers.

Sawyer generally used fiberglass mat for the flotation tanks, which gives the picture above the appearance of a chopper gun construction due to the loose fiberglass strands. Even the "budget" Oscoda line used rolled mat and fiberglass roving for hull construction.

Most likely a Sport 16, but at 1,000, it's way overpriced in my opinion, even if it's in mint condition. Especially when you consider that canoe is around 40-years old.

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