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05/13/2022 09:39PM
egknuti: "If you fish for any trout you need a stamp. "
Do not think this is accurate. The exact language from the regs book is "Anglers need a Minnesota trout/salmon stamp validation and a fishing or sports license when fishing in designated trout streams, designated trout lakes, Lake Superior, or when possessing trout on waters that are not designated trout water."
Many lakes hold lake trout and are not on the list of "designated trout lakes" -- honestly probably the vast majority of LT lakes are not on that list. It's really all about paying for the stocking of stream trout in my understanding.
What a designation means
Designating a lake or stream as a trout fishery allows regulation of trout fishing seasons and methods and clears the way for restoration and habitat work to improve angler access and fish habitat. Anglers must purchase a trout stamp to fish these designated waters.
05/14/2022 09:49AM
yogi59weedr: "I was under the assumption, that if I fished lakes like Snowbank that I did not need a stamp to keep lakers because it is not on the designated list.
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Maybe you know this now? But the above statement is incorrect. To possess any trout in MN you need a trout stamp regardless of lake designation. You could fish Snowbank, but if you caught a trout it would need to be immediately released.
05/14/2022 04:06PM
Trout stamps cost less than a burger and fries these days ($10). Just get the stamp regardless!
Michigan rolled the cost of trout stamps into their licenses, making it impossible to buy a license without a trout stamp. Seems like a good idea IMO.
Michigan rolled the cost of trout stamps into their licenses, making it impossible to buy a license without a trout stamp. Seems like a good idea IMO.
05/14/2022 07:45PM
Z4K: "Trout stamps cost less than a burger and fries these days ($10). Just get the stamp regardless!
Michigan rolled the cost of trout stamps into their licenses, making it impossible to buy a license without a trout stamp. Seems like a good idea IMO."
And Michigan licenses can be auto-renewable!
05/14/2022 09:25PM
yogi59weedr: "10 4.
I know this now.
Is this a recent change?
I'm usually up on the regulations Thank you for setting me straight."
It’s been the case for as long as I can remember, but the assumption is common.
Wow…nice on only being wrong once this year…:) according to my wife I’ve been wrong 10x already today…
T
05/14/2022 09:55PM
schweady: "If you fish any designated trout lake or stream, you need a stamp. If you want to keep any trout you happen to catch in any lake or stream, you need a stamp.
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100% correct and yes age 65 and older you do not need a stamp.
05/15/2022 08:57AM
Pinetree: "...and yes age 65 and older you do not need a stamp."
Read this in the regs just now. Is this new?? Or have I been donating $10 to the state for these past few years? Oh, well... I've been getting the pictorial trout and walleye stamps mailed to me each year, so I guess it's all good.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." -- Yogi Berra
05/15/2022 09:59AM
schweady: "Pinetree: "...and yes age 65 and older you do not need a stamp."
Read this in the regs just now. Is this new?? Or have I been donating $10 to the state for these past few years? Oh, well... I've been getting the pictorial trout and walleye stamps mailed to me each year, so I guess it's all good.
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I suppose 15 years ago new. I bought it a few years after because the trout program is one of the better success stories.
05/15/2022 10:42AM
dogwoodgirl: "Sorethumbs: "Is it correct to say you need a trout stamp to fish for and keep lake trout on all Ontario lakes (Quetico)?"
Does Ontario even HAVE trout stamps?"
No, they don't have the stamps. You buy an Outdoors card and a fishing license according to your interest (i.e. there are a couple of levels such as Conservation) which will set the limits on most of the species you'll fish for, if not all of them.
I'm sure you already know most if not all of the above, but here's a link to the Ontario fishing regulations and license.
"It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed.”
05/15/2022 10:59AM
Sorethumbs: "Is it correct to say you need a trout stamp to fish for and keep lake trout on all Ontario lakes (Quetico)?"
I just re-read the regulations and no special stamp or permit is required for lake trout in Ontario.
FYI, Quetico is in Zone 5 if you want to review the regulations.
05/15/2022 04:42PM
Pinetree: "schweady: "Pinetree: "...and yes age 65 and older you do not need a stamp."
Read this in the regs just now. Is this new?? Or have I been donating $10 to the state for these past few years? Oh, well... I've been getting the pictorial trout and walleye stamps mailed to me each year, so I guess it's all good.
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I suppose 15 years ago new. I bought it a few years after because the trout program is one of the better success stories."
True that. I'll probably continue. (Although this year's pink salmon is no 1982 Terry Redlin.) I have enough to frame a nice collection by now.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." -- Yogi Berra
06/02/2022 09:28AM
I spoke with a friend of mine at the DNR Fisheries office in Finland to verify my understanding of the rules. I'd invite others to call the Ely Area or Gunflint Area fisheries/DNR office to verify. They're always more than happy to speak with anglers.
Here's how it works; Trout stamp is needed to fish designated trout waters, whether you are keeping or releasing. If you're on designated trout waters, you need a stamp.
If you are on a lake that isn't designated, but holds trout, such as the lake trout lakes in the BW, you need a trout stamp if you're intentionally targeting lake trout, regardless of your intent to keep or release. Let's run through a few examples;
Trolling a weed break in 15 feet of water in August on Knife lake for walleye - No Trout Stamp needed.
Trolling 25 feet deep on Knife Lake with a 1 oz weight and little cleo targeting lake trout on Knife Lake - You need a trout stamp (regardless of intent to keep or release)
Casting a shallow bay in June with a mepps inline spinner for smallmouth on Lac La Croix - No trout stamp needed.
Fishing of any sort on a lake that only holds lake trout (even if it's not designated), such as Kek - Trout Stamp is needed.
To put it simply - If you're trying to catch a trout, you need a trout stamp, whether you keep it or not is irrelevant.
Here's how it works; Trout stamp is needed to fish designated trout waters, whether you are keeping or releasing. If you're on designated trout waters, you need a stamp.
If you are on a lake that isn't designated, but holds trout, such as the lake trout lakes in the BW, you need a trout stamp if you're intentionally targeting lake trout, regardless of your intent to keep or release. Let's run through a few examples;
Trolling a weed break in 15 feet of water in August on Knife lake for walleye - No Trout Stamp needed.
Trolling 25 feet deep on Knife Lake with a 1 oz weight and little cleo targeting lake trout on Knife Lake - You need a trout stamp (regardless of intent to keep or release)
Casting a shallow bay in June with a mepps inline spinner for smallmouth on Lac La Croix - No trout stamp needed.
Fishing of any sort on a lake that only holds lake trout (even if it's not designated), such as Kek - Trout Stamp is needed.
To put it simply - If you're trying to catch a trout, you need a trout stamp, whether you keep it or not is irrelevant.
06/02/2022 10:33AM
Speckled: "I spoke with a friend of mine at the DNR Fisheries office in Finland to verify my understanding of the rules. I'd invite others to call the Ely Area or Gunflint Area fisheries/DNR office to verify. They're always more than happy to speak with anglers.
Here's how it works; Trout stamp is needed to fish designated trout waters, whether you are keeping or releasing. If you're on designated trout waters, you need a stamp.
If you are on a lake that isn't designated, but holds trout, such as the lake trout lakes in the BW, you need a trout stamp if you're intentionally targeting lake trout, regardless of your intent to keep or release. Let's run through a few examples;
Trolling a weed break in 15 feet of water in August on Knife lake for walleye - No Trout Stamp needed.
Trolling 25 feet deep on Knife Lake with a 1 oz weight and little cleo targeting lake trout on Knife Lake - You need a trout stamp (regardless of intent to keep or release)
Casting a shallow bay in June with a mepps inline spinner for smallmouth on Lac La Croix - No trout stamp needed.
Fishing of any sort on a lake that only holds lake trout (even if it's not designated), such as Kek - Trout Stamp is needed.
To put it simply - If you're trying to catch a trout, you need a trout stamp, whether you keep it or not is irrelevant."
Thats how I always understood it. Just like you can't fish catch and release for any other fish (Walleye, Northern, Bass, Perch, etc) without a fishing license.
Tell me the species of fish in my profile pic
06/02/2022 02:17PM
I emailed Tower, Grand Marais, and Finland fisheries offices. No response from Tower just yet. Grand Marais preferred that I call one of their CO's directly, which I don't really wish to do. I'm pressing them for an answer in writing. Interestingly enough, Finland responded -- same office that Speckled's friend works for -- and they contradicted his information and agreed with my interpretation. This person actually takes it a step further and says trout stamp not even required to possess LT, only stream trout. Here is my message:
Hello, I'm hoping you can clear up a question I have about trout stamps.
The regulations state on page 17 that "...anglers need a trout/salmon stamp validation and a fishing or sports license when fishing in designated trout streams, designated trout lakes, Lake superior, or when possessing trout on waters that are not designated trout waters."
Since "possession" is clearly defined on page 32 as a fish that is "caught and kept," my interpretation of this is that a licensed angler without a trout stamp can fish for Lake Trout on a lake that is not a "designated trout lake" (in other words, the lake is NOT on this list) as long as the trout are released and not harvested.
My friend disagrees with me. He says a fisheries employee told him that you need a trout stamp even to target Lake Trout for catch & release fishing on a non-designated trout lake. This seems to directly contradict the language from the regulations book, in which everything hinges around "possession" and not "targeting."
He also was told that if a lake holds ONLY lake trout (Kekekabic was the example used), even if it is not a "designated trout lake," a trout stamp is required. Again, this seems to contradict the language in the regulations book.
Can you please clarify this for us, preferably with specific citations from the regulations?
Thank you!
-- and the response from Kevin Mott, assistant area fisheries supervisor:
Thanks for the question. We’d rather have people ask us in the Fisheries office versus explain what they were thinking to a Conservation Office on the lake. I’ll do my best at explaining.
Your interpretation of the rules are correct.
“Designated Trout Lakes” are stocked with trout annually, or regularly, and are identified in statue (the list you reference in your email). Most of these lakes are stocked with stream trout species like Brook Trout, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout, or Splake. Maintaining these fisheries is costly since we raise the fish in hatcheries in southern Minnesota and transport them to northern Minnesota to be stocked into lakes that can support trout each year. These lakes were designated and have been managed for trout because they would otherwise not have a game fish population for anglers. That is why a trout stamp is required to fish on these lakes and to possess the fish that are caught. Specific limits are on page 24 and 25 of the regulation book. (FYI, most streams that support trout are on the designated trout waters list too).
An angler does not need a trout stamp to fish for, or possess Lake Trout in most lakes they occur. The only time an angler would need a trout stamp to fish for, or possess Lake Trout is on a “Designated Trout Lake” or Lake Superior. Most lakes with Lake Trout either have naturally reproducing populations or are managed through supplemental stocking (similar to Walleye lakes in other parts of the state) and ARE NOT DESIGNATED TROUT LAKES. That is why the season and possession limit for Lake Trout is found on page 23 with all the other species that are covered with an angling license. So, an angler could fish for and keep Lake Trout within their possession limit on Kekekabic.
There are a few lakes in the state that are stocked with stream trout species, but not on the designated list. These are two-story fisheries with cool water fisheries for something like Walleye with enough cold, well oxygenated water to support trout. On these lakes an angler doesn’t need a trout stamp to fish, but would need one if they wanted to possess at stream trout to harvest.
So, an angler needs a trout stamp to fish on waterbodies listed as Designated Trout Waters (lakes and streams) and Lake Superior. Anglers must also have one to possess/harvest any STREAM TROUT SPECIES (Brook, Brown, Rainbow, Splake) in ANY lake.
I hope this helps. Let us know if we generated more questions than answers.
Kevin
MNDNR – Fisheries
Finland Area Office
Hello, I'm hoping you can clear up a question I have about trout stamps.
The regulations state on page 17 that "...anglers need a trout/salmon stamp validation and a fishing or sports license when fishing in designated trout streams, designated trout lakes, Lake superior, or when possessing trout on waters that are not designated trout waters."
Since "possession" is clearly defined on page 32 as a fish that is "caught and kept," my interpretation of this is that a licensed angler without a trout stamp can fish for Lake Trout on a lake that is not a "designated trout lake" (in other words, the lake is NOT on this list) as long as the trout are released and not harvested.
My friend disagrees with me. He says a fisheries employee told him that you need a trout stamp even to target Lake Trout for catch & release fishing on a non-designated trout lake. This seems to directly contradict the language from the regulations book, in which everything hinges around "possession" and not "targeting."
He also was told that if a lake holds ONLY lake trout (Kekekabic was the example used), even if it is not a "designated trout lake," a trout stamp is required. Again, this seems to contradict the language in the regulations book.
Can you please clarify this for us, preferably with specific citations from the regulations?
Thank you!
-- and the response from Kevin Mott, assistant area fisheries supervisor:
Thanks for the question. We’d rather have people ask us in the Fisheries office versus explain what they were thinking to a Conservation Office on the lake. I’ll do my best at explaining.
Your interpretation of the rules are correct.
“Designated Trout Lakes” are stocked with trout annually, or regularly, and are identified in statue (the list you reference in your email). Most of these lakes are stocked with stream trout species like Brook Trout, Brown Trout, Rainbow Trout, or Splake. Maintaining these fisheries is costly since we raise the fish in hatcheries in southern Minnesota and transport them to northern Minnesota to be stocked into lakes that can support trout each year. These lakes were designated and have been managed for trout because they would otherwise not have a game fish population for anglers. That is why a trout stamp is required to fish on these lakes and to possess the fish that are caught. Specific limits are on page 24 and 25 of the regulation book. (FYI, most streams that support trout are on the designated trout waters list too).
An angler does not need a trout stamp to fish for, or possess Lake Trout in most lakes they occur. The only time an angler would need a trout stamp to fish for, or possess Lake Trout is on a “Designated Trout Lake” or Lake Superior. Most lakes with Lake Trout either have naturally reproducing populations or are managed through supplemental stocking (similar to Walleye lakes in other parts of the state) and ARE NOT DESIGNATED TROUT LAKES. That is why the season and possession limit for Lake Trout is found on page 23 with all the other species that are covered with an angling license. So, an angler could fish for and keep Lake Trout within their possession limit on Kekekabic.
There are a few lakes in the state that are stocked with stream trout species, but not on the designated list. These are two-story fisheries with cool water fisheries for something like Walleye with enough cold, well oxygenated water to support trout. On these lakes an angler doesn’t need a trout stamp to fish, but would need one if they wanted to possess at stream trout to harvest.
So, an angler needs a trout stamp to fish on waterbodies listed as Designated Trout Waters (lakes and streams) and Lake Superior. Anglers must also have one to possess/harvest any STREAM TROUT SPECIES (Brook, Brown, Rainbow, Splake) in ANY lake.
I hope this helps. Let us know if we generated more questions than answers.
Kevin
MNDNR – Fisheries
Finland Area Office
06/03/2022 08:39AM
Gopher - Appreciate the e-mail. That's about as clear as it gets. Written e-mail from the fisheries staff.
As it's in direct contradiction to what I was told...not sure what to make of it. Obviously either I wasn't clear in the way I asked it verbally or one of the two staff are wrong. Your e-mail and response are clear.
As it's in direct contradiction to what I was told...not sure what to make of it. Obviously either I wasn't clear in the way I asked it verbally or one of the two staff are wrong. Your e-mail and response are clear.
06/03/2022 11:59AM
Speckled: "Gopher - Appreciate the e-mail. That's about as clear as it gets. Written e-mail from the fisheries staff.
As it's in direct contradiction to what I was told...not sure what to make of it. Obviously either I wasn't clear in the way I asked it verbally or one of the two staff are wrong. Your e-mail and response are clear."
I'm just waiting for one of the other offices to respond with a contra-contradiction at this point. I buy the dang stamp every year because I do like to fish for rainbows and brookies, I'm happy to support the stocking fund, and it makes me feel safe in the event I run into a CO that sees it the way you described above.
06/13/2022 07:17PM
Just buy a trout stamp, because many released lakers die anyway. DNR fisheries are on a shoestring budget . We need to increase non-resident license fees like they have in Montana, Wyoming, and other western states to reflect the real value of our fisheries...
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.” -Edward Abbey
06/13/2022 09:41PM
arctic: "Just buy a trout stamp, because many released lakers die anyway. DNR fisheries are on a shoestring budget . We need to increase non-resident license fees like they have in Montana, Wyoming, and other western states to reflect the real value of our fisheries..."
The trout stamp money is one of the best programs the Mn DNR has with its very extensive trout stocking program.
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