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TRadam
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06/26/2022 10:17AM  
I’m a an owner of the 12x12 Nemo Bugout and decided I didn’t need that much room for just my wife and I when we canoe as a just couple, nor did I want the extra weight/bulk. After striking out on finding the Nemo 9x9 anywhere to buy, I decided to purchase the Eureka! CT11 which is 7.5x7.5. Honestly, I like the design of the Eureka! better. Both the Nemo and Eureka! Hang the same way and feature a three zipper approach so you can hang inside in a hammock. However, with the Eureka!, along the bottom, there are large flaps (Called a sod cloth in a wall tent) that lay inside. At the corners, there are Velcro tabs to square up the bottom using the flaps themselves. Just place some rocks on the flaps, and the screen tent is secure and no bugs or critters get inside. As far as I can see, it is well made, lots of corner reinforcements and tabs to roll up the screen to use only as a tarp. It was a blessing to have on our recent trip as the bugs were very hungry. I highly recommend the Eureka! CT11 for one or two person trips.

The Nemo will remain in our car camping tool kit as it is awesome for larger groups and going over picnic tables.
 
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ockycamper
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06/28/2022 04:17PM  
Web site shows it weighs 7 lbs. That would be in addition to your tent, mats or cots, etc. Wouldn't it be easier to go at a time there are no bugs?
 
Banksiana
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06/28/2022 05:23PM  
Your weight specs are off. The CT 11 weighs in at just under 5#, the CT 13 weighs in a few ounces below 6#. A 9X9 Nemo Bugout is about 5# even. CCS 10x10 shelter is 4.5# but on a whole other level of quality in material and construction.

When the bugs descend a screen house means more time to linger. Going in season without bugs has disadvantages as well (generally more difficult swimming). When you need it the weight seems well worth it.
 
06/28/2022 05:30PM  
Sounds like you found a winner! with the Eureka!
 
ockycamper
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06/28/2022 05:35PM  
Makes sense. However, our group is mostly in their 50's and 60's. Not a lot of swimming going on. They would rather go when there are no people. . .and . . .no bugs
 
Banksiana
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06/28/2022 08:32PM  
I'm mostly in my 60's and love swimming in the deep clear lakes of the Quetico.

Generally traveled minimalist. Adding a chair to my kit in my mid fifties. Bug shelter came after after a late July trip. Extraordinary evening bugs. Spent the last night on Robinson- still, muggy to the point of fog, high eighties at dusk. Spent the evening sitting on a rock slab above the water- rain pants tucked into socks, bug shirt, gloves- every sort of bug on deck, black flies, stable flies, deer flies, mosquitos, no-see-ums- sit on the rock until strangling and then stripping down, repeatedly dive into the lake, slip back into bug armor..... repeat cycle until retreat to hot, close tent.

Next trip in august included a bug shelter.
 
Argo
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06/29/2022 06:34AM  
I have the CT13 because it was purchased for larger groups. But I have have only been on two-man trips with it to Quetico. I have absolutely no qualms about the extra weight.

After my first Quetico trip in 2000 my group pledged to always bring a screen shelter. In those days we brought a free-standing one with aluminum poles. It must have weighed 12-15 lbs and everyone was thankful we had it.

The NoBugZone isn't light - particularly the CT13. But no regrets. The extra space for two people is excessive but I'm not spending dough on another one to save 2lbs.

Interesting what you say about the sod cloth. If I had the Nemo and learned about the Eureka afterwards I would have been disappointed. Anchoring the sod cloth gives the shelter formidable structural integrity and bug protection.

My only regret is not having the smaller version. But I have enough gear. But you can never have enough gear. Life is full of contradictions.
 
Lawnchair107
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06/29/2022 06:52AM  
I've got the CT11. I've got it down to right above 4lbs by adding zing-it, MSR stakes, etc.
 
TRadam
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06/29/2022 07:41AM  
I did the same thing to shed a few lbs. I love Dan’s stuff and the CCS would have been my first choice but just changed my lifestyle to a very fixed budget and every penny counts. The sod cloth is a game changer in the design of the Eureka! for me. I personally think a chair and a bug tent are trip essentials. Paddle your own trip and do what you makes your trip best for you.
 
ockycamper
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06/29/2022 08:27AM  
You lost me at so many bugs you had to jump into the lake.

We have been going to BWCA for 16 years, and the Adirondacks for 3 years. We hit mosquitoes and black flys in torrents early on and had a unanimous vote that we would never again trip in black fly or mosquito seasons. All our trips have since moved to mid September to first week of October. Colder temps, but no bugs of any kind, no people, stunning fall colors, and lots of moose sightings.

We also got away from tents years ago. Entire group brings hammocks now.
 
Banksiana
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06/29/2022 08:52AM  
ockycamper: "You lost me at so many bugs you had to jump into the lake.


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The muggy heat was the cause of repeated immersions. The bugs the cause of being wrapped in what is basically plastic (no-see-um mesh is not all that breathable)- the only relief from the saran wrap immersion in the cool clear water of Robinson.

I trip often, whenever I can secure time away from work, and adjust my kit for the conditions. A year is not complete without a fall trip.
 
ockycamper
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06/29/2022 09:23AM  
Our group also didn't like hot temps. Only one guy out of the 18 (we split into 3 groups) wanted to go in the summers.

We moved from tents largely due to the multiple times getting up at night for guys our age, and not liking crawling out of tent on our knees.

We put up large group tarps and the guys spend our time under the tarp when raining our just around the campfire. Eliminates the need for large tents.

Everyone has their favorite seasons. For us it is any season with no bugs, people or hot temps.
 
06/29/2022 09:29AM  
ockycamper: "Makes sense. However, our group is mostly in their 50's and 60's. Not a lot of swimming going on. They would rather go when there are no people. . .and . . .no bugs"

So you are going to base your trip around the bugs, and judge others that don't do the exact same thing? That seems a little preachy. Personally, I love going in June and there are plenty of ways to deal with the bugs.
 
06/29/2022 09:40AM  
ockycamper: "...We moved from tents largely due to the multiple times getting up at night for guys our age, and not liking crawling out of tent on our knees..."

The Pee Bottle was invented for old tenting guys.... aka, wide-mouth Nalgene. I haven't been out of my tent at night in years.
 
ockycamper
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06/29/2022 09:47AM  
not judging at all. Everyone is welcome to go anytime.
 
ockycamper
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06/29/2022 09:49AM  
We have a guy that brings a "pee bottle". He borrowed one of my hammocks one trip and didn't exactly hit the pee bottle one night. I made him buy the hammock.
 
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