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10/10/2019 05:03PM
It's a proposal from a state legislator so it has a long long way to go, but I actually think it's not a bad idea. I was also surprised to see in the article that so far 15 wolves have been introduced to the area with the goal of 30.

Proposed Isle Royale moose hunt article.
 
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SlowElk
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10/10/2019 07:49PM
Had to read again. Hunting sounds like a better idea than bringing in more wolves.
 
10/11/2019 02:25PM
SlowElk: "Had to read again. Hunting sounds like a better idea than bringing in more wolves."
What's your perspective on the moose/wolf relationship?
 
SlowElk
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10/11/2019 02:39PM
Hello Awbrown.

On an island? I’m not really sure and not qualified to say. How did the moose get back on IR?

My opinions don’t mean squat, but the first random thought that popped into my head was that if there were too many moose maybe they can be moved elsewhere? Not sure if that is a great idea either. It is my understanding that Moose populations have been way down for a long time, and that wolves are at least partly to blame?

If I read the article correctly there are already 15 wolves on IR? How many do you think that land mass can support?

I believe nature has a way of balancing things out over time, but is never static.
 
hexnymph
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10/11/2019 02:42PM
I'm in! The wolf reintroduction has gone poorly to put it nicely.

Hex
 
SlowElk
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10/11/2019 03:44PM
Hopefully I can learn more from some of you guys. While not a completely closed system, I wonder if genetic diversity plays any role on the island.
 
Jackfish
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10/11/2019 04:07PM
hexnymph: "I'm in! The wolf reintroduction has gone poorly to put it nicely."
Hex, if you're going to blow such wind, you should at least add some substance.
 
hobbydog
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10/11/2019 04:19PM
Why do humans think they need to try control everything in nature? They have an incredibly poor track record of doing so.

I love to hunt as much as anyone and a dream hunt would be a fly in moose hunt but I am ok with leave IR as it is.
 
Bearpath9
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10/11/2019 04:29PM
I don't think that 15, or even 30, wolves would have much of an impact on 2000 moose. But then, I also think about the re-introduction of wolves in Yellowstone, which quickly reduced the over-population of Elk, and improved the eco-system there. Does that part of the lake freeze over in winter ? If so, then if the wolves can't kill enough moose to survive, they just go back to the mainland.
The article didn't say, but is there a deer population also ? The wolves may decide that moose, except for the old, sick and young, aren't worth the risk, and concentrate on deer instead.
Maybe a combination of both would work, with limited hunting until a balance is achieved.
 
Bushpilot
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10/11/2019 05:04PM
SlowElk: "Hello Awbrown.

On an island? I’m not really sure and not qualified to say. How did the moose get back on IR?
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I am not sure how moose got on the Island. But it is said they were brought to the Island to hunt for sport by Island people.
 
SlowElk
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10/11/2019 05:05PM
Ok, I missed the part about there being 2000 moose. That is great news.

Wasn’t there 0 moose on IR about a decade ago?

Somehow I think no one in MN wants any MI wolves showing up on the north shore.
 
Bushpilot
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10/11/2019 05:08PM
SlowElk: "Hopefully I can learn more from some of you guys. While not a completely closed system, I wonder if genetic diversity plays any role on the island."
Don't know about the genetics with the moose. But the wolves were inbreed. At one point 2 wolves were on the Island. A male and female. Father - Daughter.
 
10/11/2019 05:09PM
The original populations of moose and wolves on Isle Royal migrated over ice or in the case of moose swam. The island has been studied due this unique predator prey relationship for decades. The relationship is over dependent on these 2 species only and has shown that the wolves prey on young and sick creating a lopsided mature moose population with it's own attending problems like unusually high browse lines on brush and trees and slowing reproduction.
The wolves as pack animals very territorial were competing between packs and lack of reproduction diversity.
Without a predator the moose will die off due to over-bowsing and disease. The study is well documented and researched. About The Project: Overview
Personally I believe the island too small to support wolf populations and if the moose are to stay hunting may be the best way for control. The license sales alone would go a long way to support the National Park.

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Bushpilot
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10/11/2019 05:10PM
Bearpath9: " if the wolves can't kill enough moose to survive, they just go back to the mainland.
The article didn't say, but is there a deer population also ? The wolves may decide that moose, except for the old, sick and young, aren't worth the risk, and concentrate on deer instead.
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No deer on the Island.

Wolves that have been moved to the Island have already left via the winter ice bridge. Which wasn't supposed to happen because of global warming.
 
riverrunner
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10/11/2019 05:15PM
hobbydog: "Why do humans think they need to try control everything in nature? They have an incredibly poor track record of doing so.


I love to hunt as much as anyone and a dream hunt would be a fly in moose hunt but I am ok with leave IR as it is."


Why do you think they don't have to.

Humans have been changing their world ever since they have been around.

Other animals change theirs also just by being there.

Or by direct action on their part.
 
Bushpilot
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10/11/2019 05:18PM
SlowElk: "Ok, I missed the part about there being 2000 moose. That is great news.


Wasn’t there 0 moose on IR about a decade ago?

Somehow I think no one in MN wants any MI wolves showing up on the north shore."


There have been moose on the Island for more than 75 years. Maybe 100?
 
SlowElk
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10/11/2019 05:32PM
Thank you for all of the great replies.

I have been a big fan of the wolf recovery from the start.

But...: Thought I remembered reading that about 10 years ago there were 6000 wolves in the area north of Duluth, and that the last moose on IR was taken down around that time?

Edit: A quick internet search says that I must be mistaken, and brings up more to read.


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10/11/2019 07:04PM
The primary denizens of Isle Royale in the 1800's were Lynx and Woodland Caribou. Caribou were hunted out and Lynx were trapped out by the 1920's.

The last Caribou seen on the island was in 1925, and none have ever tried repopulating the island via the occasional ice bridges. In addition, the climate there is probably a bit more tropical than what caribou prefer today.

Moose were first spotted on the island in 1908 and the wolves crossed over in 1949.
 
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