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Scott Lightfoot
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11/06/2021 11:28AM  
Any idea when the offices will open to get permits for July 2022 trip into Quetico from USA...Gunflint trail. I know we need passports, proof of vaccine. Not sure about recent negative test within 48 or 72 hours.
 
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11/06/2021 12:19PM  
It’s definitely a bummer... and no there hasn’t been any communication from the authorities on when they will start accepting applications again.

In the grand scheme of things I’m guessing starting up the RABC permit process is a low priority for the CBSA.

Below is the link that I use to monitor the most current status. In the past it has taken about 4 weeks after mailing the application for me to receive the permit in the mail.

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Minnesotian
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11/06/2021 04:16PM  

My pessimistic mind leans to the idea that there will be no RABC permit next year. What this means for the Prairie Portage and Cache Lake entry points I don't know, but it means I am planning my trips for Beaverhouse or Atikokan entry points.
billconner
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11/06/2021 06:36PM  
Pretty sure there will not any RABCs until the vaccine and test within 72 hours goes away. How/who would check that when you cross?
11/06/2021 06:59PM  
billconner: "Pretty sure there will not any RABCs until the vaccine and test within 72 hours goes away. How/who would check that when you cross?"

Agreed
flaxman
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11/07/2021 10:08AM  
Agree that the rabc program seems incompatible with current entry requirements. My hope is that they keep the rabc program, but find a way to adjust the requirements. Maybe require proof of vaccination to get the permit and a test upload to the Canada entry website. It will definitely be simpler if/when they lift the testing requirement.
billconner
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11/07/2021 06:33PM  
flaxman: " It will definitely be simpler if/when they lift the testing requirement."

I worry that could be years. Not trying to be a pessimist, just realistic. I suspect the few US citizens disadvantaged are not much of a priority for Canada. Not is Question PP's income quite up there.
MossBack
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11/10/2021 08:22AM  
This new park management plan seems to state the entries will be adjusted Northward to spread out the visitors from the Southern borders. I am guessing the RABC plan as we once knew it will be gone.
12/05/2021 02:39PM  
Use this link for RABC updates. As others have said, I would not plan on obtaining an RABC for quite some time.
thegildedgopher
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12/07/2021 04:55PM  
MossBack: "This new park management plan seems to state the entries will be adjusted Northward to spread out the visitors from the Southern borders. I am guessing the RABC plan as we once knew it will be gone."

That would sure be a shame. I hope they would come up with some way for US
citizens to legally fish the Canadian side of our border lakes at least. RABC has been our only way to do this. We’re not even setting foot on Canadian soil, just want to be able to fish Canadian side of basswood, saganaga, gunflint, north, etc. :(

EDIT: it appears they have opened the border lakes and no longer require the RABC or any kid of reporting to Canadian customs if not touching land. Doesn’t help the quetico overnight trips but a relief for day-trippers like me.
billconner
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12/07/2021 06:51PM  
thegildedgopher: "EDIT: it appears they have opened the border lakes and no longer require the RABC or any kid of reporting to Canadian customs if not touching land. Doesn’t help the quetico overnight trips but a relief for day-trippers like me."

Source?
12/07/2021 07:05PM  
MossBack: "This new park management plan seems to state the entries will be adjusted Northward to spread out the visitors from the Southern borders. I am guessing the RABC plan as we once knew it will be gone."

I've read through the park plan and I cannot find any indication that quotas will be reduced for the southern entry stations.
thegildedgopher
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12/07/2021 07:51PM  
billconner: "thegildedgopher: "EDIT: it appears they have opened the border lakes and no longer require the RABC or any kid of reporting to Canadian customs if not touching land. Doesn’t help the quetico people but a relief for east-side daytrippers like myself."

Source?"


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12/07/2021 09:16PM  
thegildedgopher: "billconner: "thegildedgopher: "EDIT: it appears they have opened the border lakes and no longer require the RABC or any kid of reporting to Canadian customs if not touching land. Doesn’t help the quetico people but a relief for east-side daytrippers like myself."
Source?"

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The only issue I see is if you fish the Quetico side. You have always been required to have a Quetico permit to cross the border. Even if it is just by water. I’d call or email the superintendent to verify. Then keep a copy of that communication on you. You may not need an RABC but you will need an Ontario fishing license, no live bait, no barbs, and a Quetico permit…and not get caught by a Canadian MNR official who doesn’t decide to just fine you anyway…

It’s a step in the right direction, but I am still skeptical if ya can tell :)

T
thegildedgopher
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12/07/2021 09:54PM  
Yeah, I'm going to let others figure this out on Basswood etc or other lakes that require Quetico permits. But for the eastern half of Saganaga as well as Gunflint, North, etc., it opens up the Canadian side to me on day trips. Ontario outdoors card & fishing license, follow live bait rules, no booze in boat, report our return back across the US border via the CBP Roam App. That should cover the bases.
Gaidin53
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12/08/2021 12:12AM  
They opened that up a long time ago like August or September. I was up at Lake of the Woods wheelers point area doing some work On my buddy’s cabin. Grabbed a late supper and ran into two guys that had run up near Big Island Morson area by water. They were fall fishing musky. I’ve walleye fished over the years all up in the Canadian side as well.

Like you said it doesn’t help from a Quetico trip standpoint since you have to touch land!
billconner
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12/08/2021 05:53PM  
Well, you could drive to Atikokan and pick up vehicle permits for day use. My understanding is you can date as you like. Would allow more than just border lakes and not much competition.
12/08/2021 07:19PM  
billconner: "Well, you could drive to Atikokan and pick up vehicle permits for day use. My understanding is you can date as you like. Would allow more than just border lakes and not much competition. "

You used to be able to order the vehicle permit online as well. Forgot about that.

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billconner
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12/18/2021 12:57PM  
I'm not feeling good about being able to cross border with the Delta surge not passed and omicron surge about to sweep across both countries. Already rumblings from Ottawa about reinstating restrictions. Certainly not making non-refundable reservations in Canada. Very sad.
cburton103
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12/22/2021 09:07PM  
billconner: "I'm not feeling good about being able to cross border with the Delta surge not passed and omicron surge about to sweep across both countries. Already rumblings from Ottawa about reinstating restrictions. Certainly not making non-refundable reservations in Canada. Very sad."

Fortunately, soft water season is still nearly six months away. Although there are exceptions, governments seem more hesitant to enforce the same types of lockdowns as they did in the first 12-18 months of the pandemic. Omicron looks to cause milder disease. For all of our paddling sakes, hopefully the US and Canada will continue to allow people to visit. That said, I'm planning on my first northern entry in 2022 since who knows when the RABC program might get back up and running.
billconner
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12/23/2021 06:13AM  
Quebec Province is in lockdown again. So is the Netherlands. It does seem few deaths from Omicron but it is using hospital resources. There is less support for lockdowns currently. Who knows about next variant.
 
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