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NikonF5user
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11/23/2022 11:06AM  
Has anyone tried using any of the blended gasoline options in their Whisperlite? Thinking specifically of E15 and/or E85 (or similar ethanol / gasoline blends). I would love find a more sustainable fuel source for my Whisperlite Universal.

Thanks!
 
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OCDave
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11/23/2022 10:14PM  
"Sustainable"? My understanding has always been that Kerosene and Gasoline are fuels you might resort to if traveling where white gas was not available. White gas would always be the first option as it burns cleaner and is safer.

Clean and safe equate to sustainable to me. I have both Kerosene and gasoline in my garage and I carry the replacement jets everywhere I take the stove, but I doubt I'd ever resort to either of those fuels. I will go out pretty far of my way to find white gas.

 
ockycamper
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11/24/2022 11:11AM  
NikonF5user: "Has anyone tried using any of the blended gasoline options in their Whisperlite? Thinking specifically of E15 and/or E85 (or similar ethanol / gasoline blends). I would love find a more sustainable fuel source for my Whisperlite Universal.

Thanks!"


How on earth is E85 a sustainable product as some define sustainable? I also would never put a gasoline product in any stove I carry.
 
NikonF5user
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11/24/2022 11:51AM  
I really am just looking for a way to burn something other than a petroleum distillate. My thought with E15 or E85 is that the mixture of ethanol would decrease the total amount of petroleum being burned in the stove. That being said, I do get that white gas is much more pure (no additives) than is gasoline, and I know the other additives in any kind of gasoline could impact the taste of food, which of course is the best reason to use white gas...
 
11/26/2022 07:43AM  
Automotive fuels contain additives that are more poisonous when burned than the much more purified white gasoline, Coleman/Crown and such. They also have a tendency to burn dirty.

The idea is quite counter productive, particularly in the amounts used. You waste much more fuel (in poor driving habits) simply traveling to your destination, that you will use for cooking in camp.
I/2 gallon is probably way more than the average BWCA trip needs. Personally I do not use 1/2 a gallon in a year of camping (I'm retired and camp a lot). Your using an EV? Last I looked only 12% of all power produced in the US is from renewable sources. Even if possible to use all renewable to charge your vehicle that reduces the amount available to the rest of the power grid.

Where is E15/30/85 made without using more petroleum in production than fuel produced? All that corm is grown on farms using petroleum fuel, farm life essentials/prepping the land/planting the corn/harvesting the corn/storing the corn/delivering it to an ethanol production plant/transportation and delivery to fuel blenders/distribution for sale, on and on till you burn it.
That is not accounting for the loss of tillable land for food production.

butthead
 
ockycamper
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11/26/2022 03:04PM  
butthead: "Automotive fuels contain additives that are more poisonous when burned than the much more purified white gasoline, Coleman/Crown and such. They also have a tendency to burn dirty.


The idea is quite counter productive, particularly in the amounts used. You waste much more fuel (in poor driving habits) simply traveling to your destination, that you will use for cooking in camp.
I/2 gallon is probably way more than the average BWCA trip needs. Personally I do not use 1/2 a gallon in a year of camping (I'm retired and camp a lot). Your using an EV? Last I looked only 12% of all power produced in the US is from renewable sources. Even if possible to use all renewable to charge your vehicle that reduces the amount available to the rest of the power grid.


Where is E15/30/85 made without using more petroleum in production than fuel produced? All that corm is grown on farms using petroleum fuel, farm life essentials/prepping the land/planting the corn/harvesting the corn/storing the corn/delivering it to an ethanol production plant/transportation and delivery to fuel blenders/distribution for sale, on and on till you burn it.
That is not accounting for the loss of tillable land for food production.


butthead"


Love it! Butthead for climate Czar!
 
BrianDay
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11/28/2022 10:04AM  
MSR stoves won't run on alcohol. I have tried, just to experiment.

Presumably E15 blend would work in the stove, but would burn less hot/efficiently than the stove would on white gas. I would expect E85 to burn very poorly, if at all.

Best bet really is white gas stove fuel.

Brian

 
11/28/2022 01:54PM  
BrianDay: "MSR stoves won't run on alcohol. I have tried, just to experiment.


Presumably E15 blend would work in the stove, but would burn less hot/efficiently than the stove would on white gas. I would expect E85 to burn very poorly, if at all.


Best bet really is white gas stove fuel.


Brian


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Or, make an alcohol stove, cook over wood, and live with the choice.

butthead
 
BrianDay
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11/28/2022 01:56PM  
"Or, make an alcohol stove, cook over wood, and live with the choice.

butthead"

Exactly.
 
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