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09/03/2024 03:08PM
For our bear vaults, I just bring an old cc or driver's license type card. I had a heck of a time opening it with my arthritis, especially in cool temps. Then I watched a video of a 10 yo kid demonstrating this technique. I can't find the video I watched years ago, but will attach one that demonstrates the technique, albeit in more time than is necessary! How to Open Bear Vault
09/07/2024 12:30PM
tumblehome: "Oh great, as soon as the bears get ahold of one of these, it’s all over.I just can't bear it !!
Another interesting observation is that humans need a tool to open their bear-proof containers.
Tom"
Without the bad times, the good times wouldn't seem so good.
09/07/2024 05:27PM
Samsquatch: "So those barrels were smashed open by hitting against rocks? I was wondering how the holes were made. "
Hold on, does anyone know any facts about the four containers in this photo? Posting that the Rose Lake bear has learned to roll barrels next to this photo does not imply that the 4 barrels shown here were rolled off of cliffs. I know from studies in Yosemite that can happen, but I am wondering if anyone can say conclusively what happened here? Did they roll off a cliff, or did a bear just bite into them?? Or something else?
Also, did anyone stop to wonder about the similarity in the holes? What strikes me is they don’t seem likely big enough to pull a bag of Mountain House Anything out of, and they barely seem large enough for a bear to put its snoz in or its paw in.
I’m not doubting that this photo is legit, but I’m seriously wondering if anyone knows for certain what happened. Having worked as a professional researcher I know that context ALWAYS matters, but is often ignored out of convenience for speculation.
09/08/2024 08:48PM
Jaywalker: "Great point(s)! I saw this photo posted last year on a forum, New England & New York Back Country Hiking, but no context and no photo credits.Samsquatch: "So those barrels were smashed open by hitting against rocks? I was wondering how the holes were made. "
Hold on, does anyone know any facts about the four containers in this photo? Posting that the Rose Lake bear has learned to roll barrels next to this photo does not imply that the 4 barrels shown here were rolled off of cliffs. I know from studies in Yosemite that can happen, but I am wondering if anyone can say conclusively what happened here? Did they roll off a cliff, or did a bear just bite into them?? Or something else?
Also, did anyone stop to wonder about the similarity in the holes? What strikes me is they don’t seem likely big enough to pull a bag of Mountain House Anything out of, and they barely seem large enough for a bear to put its snoz in or its paw in.
I’m not doubting that this photo is legit, but I’m seriously wondering if anyone knows for certain what happened. Having worked as a professional researcher I know that context ALWAYS matters, but is often ignored out of convenience for speculation. "
09/09/2024 08:26PM
Jaywalker: "Samsquatch: "So those barrels were smashed open by hitting against rocks? I was wondering how the holes were made. "
Hold on, does anyone know any facts about the four containers in this photo? Posting that the Rose Lake bear has learned to roll barrels next to this photo does not imply that the 4 barrels shown here were rolled off of cliffs. I know from studies in Yosemite that can happen, but I am wondering if anyone can say conclusively what happened here? Did they roll off a cliff, or did a bear just bite into them?? Or something else?
Also, did anyone stop to wonder about the similarity in the holes? What strikes me is they don’t seem likely big enough to pull a bag of Mountain House Anything out of, and they barely seem large enough for a bear to put its snoz in or its paw in.
I’m not doubting that this photo is legit, but I’m seriously wondering if anyone knows for certain what happened. Having worked as a professional researcher I know that context ALWAYS matters, but is often ignored out of convenience for speculation. "
Most likley those pics are from snow creek in Yosemite. I believe well over 30 bear canisters have been breached in that location. The bear rolls them off of cliffs, throws them into rocks or into snow creek and they crash into rocks and break open. Those definitely aren’t the BWCAW.
T
“Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after.” Henry David Thoreau
09/10/2024 05:17AM
Adirondack high peaks I believe. These are not acceptable in high peaks area not because of them breaking but because at least one bear (named "yellow-yellow") became proficient at opening them.
Came across this piece of ranger wisdom:
When asked why bear-proof trash cans were so difficult to use, a ranger once said "there is considerable overlap between the smartest bear and the dumbest human."
Came across this piece of ranger wisdom:
When asked why bear-proof trash cans were so difficult to use, a ranger once said "there is considerable overlap between the smartest bear and the dumbest human."
09/10/2024 05:44PM
Jaywalker: "Samsquatch: "So those barrels were smashed open by hitting against rocks? I was wondering how the holes were made. "
Hold on, does anyone know any facts about the four containers in this photo? Posting that the Rose Lake bear has learned to roll barrels next to this photo does not imply that the 4 barrels shown here were rolled off of cliffs. I know from studies in Yosemite that can happen, but I am wondering if anyone can say conclusively what happened here? Did they roll off a cliff, or did a bear just bite into them?? Or something else?
Also, did anyone stop to wonder about the similarity in the holes? What strikes me is they don’t seem likely big enough to pull a bag of Mountain House Anything out of, and they barely seem large enough for a bear to put its snoz in or its paw in.
I’m not doubting that this photo is legit, but I’m seriously wondering if anyone knows for certain what happened. Having worked as a professional researcher I know that context ALWAYS matters, but is often ignored out of convenience for speculation. "
I was told this at the gunflint ranger station this spring. I would venture that the pounds pre square inch thing on that corner makes it the vulnerable point.
09/10/2024 06:03PM
Ok, so just to level-set a bit here, I asked if anyone knew for sure anything about this photo, and I’ve heard (1) it was back east, (2) it was out west, and (3) it was right here in the middle.
It seems no one is really sure what happened, or where. Again, I don’t doubt bears got into these BVs, but it seems there is no actual information about the circumstances. So let’s not extend speculation about it with no facts.
It seems no one is really sure what happened, or where. Again, I don’t doubt bears got into these BVs, but it seems there is no actual information about the circumstances. So let’s not extend speculation about it with no facts.
09/10/2024 06:21PM
Found this on Reddit using Google lens:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Adirondacks/comments/wkx0uc/i_went_treasure_hunting_for_failed_bear_canisters/
I know at least one - maybe more - of the posters.
A link in that thread goes here, with lots of failed bear bags as well as bear vaults: https://imgur.com/a/ursack-bear-canister-failures-ZSwyHg4
https://www.reddit.com/r/Adirondacks/comments/wkx0uc/i_went_treasure_hunting_for_failed_bear_canisters/
I know at least one - maybe more - of the posters.
A link in that thread goes here, with lots of failed bear bags as well as bear vaults: https://imgur.com/a/ursack-bear-canister-failures-ZSwyHg4
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