Use this sub-forum for discussions on Ultralight Gear.

I just got my first real test of the Rockfront Rain hoodie it is made out of seal poly and only weighs 5.29 ounces. Is completely waterproof and it’s only source of breathability is through the pit zips which are full body. I really enjoyed the longer cuff shields compared to other rain jackets I’ve had.

We’ll see how durable it is through the next few seasons, but I’m already very impressed with it.

The other part that I liked about it is, I only had to spend $60 for it. I think the price went up $27 since I bought it, but I wouldn’t hesitate at the moment to do it again.

It is from Ukraine and they struggle to keep up with orders due to the war, but for the best rain, jacket of pants so far and help the war torn country I call it a double win.

Have anyone else had experience with the Rockfront rain hoodie?

That's a really good-looking option - I'm a fan of pit zips and mechanical ventilation over so-called "breathable" rain gear.

However the lack of a full front zipper, making this a pull-over, is a deal-breaker for me. I can imagine struggling to get it on sitting in the middle of a lake, wind and rain tossing me about in my solo canoe...it's got to be easy to get on.

Cool find, regardless.

OK folks, a topic I am brave enough to throw out here, but was not brave enough to toss out to the whole community:

Portage efficiency!

There are times when I am leisurely, and there are times where I have the hammer down and am trying to make tracks. When I want to go fast in my solo, I can - especially in those portage transitions.

Here's what I do - would love to hear how other folks pivot from water to land & back quickly.

Final stretch of paddling, I press my fishing rod into a minicell holder on the inside of the hull, thus securing it for even the worst bushwhack. I also have velcro on the map case and a spot by my footrest, and similarly the map is now totally secure.

Exit the boat and clip my single blade paddle into its own minicell holder inside the hull - again, it's not going anywhere. Take dog's saddlebags and clip to her PFD. Attach yoke. Remove PFD, clip to pack. Shoulder my pack, shoulder the boat and walk.

As I am both a gram weenie and an efficiency geek, I have timed myself at 1:45 from landing to walking, and 45 seconds from walking to paddling.

So - what's your approach?

Looks like a nice offering, CV! With the upcoming PFAS ban, it seems like rain gear (and packs ) especially are up for a reckoning. I, too am wary of ‘breathable’ fabrics. I still have an older 100% nylon Columbia Jacket, I may opt to seam seal and see how much longer it will give me. Then, it may be on to polyurethane. I’ve heard they are working on some new fabrics?

That is a dialed in portage-procedure! Do you have any pics of this mini cell setup for those (like me!) unfamiliar?

OakyDoke: "That is a dialed in portage-procedure! Do you have any pics of this mini cell setup for those (like me!) unfamiliar?"

Not good ones. Tell you what - I will take some new photos and share, however you'll need to be patient. Expecting snow and I'm just not quite ready to get the boat down from the rafters for spring paddling. Give me about a week.

Thank you, by the way, for initiating the push for a home for lightweight discussions. I'd been thinking about it for years but had held my tongue.

sns: "That's a really good-looking option - I'm a fan of pit zips and mechanical ventilation over so-called "breathable" rain gear.


However the lack of a full front zipper, making this a pull-over, is a deal-breaker for me. I can imagine struggling to get it on sitting in the middle of a lake, wind and rain tossing me about in my solo canoe...it's got to be easy to get on.


Cool find, regardless."

That is my only complaint as well. We’ll see how it goes.

OakyDoke: "That is a dialed in portage-procedure! Do you have any pics of this mini cell setup for those (like me!) unfamiliar?"

+1

As far as portage efficiency last year was my best.

Fishing pole is safely deely bobbed.

Tuck in water bottle if not already done, fasten paddle, step out of the canoe grab my pack (I leave my pdf on), hoist the canoe, and grab my last small pack(10L and will be omitting this year) and then off we go.

I used True North Maps and when I approach the landing I tie it to my PDF.

Re-entry: canoe, 10 L pack, large pack, get into the canoe, and grab my paddle.

I never timed it but I would think it similar to yours, but I am often leading groups and depending on the group this process can take much longer.

This is actually my biggest thing I try to work on with my groups, efficient portaging. One group I lead doesn’t care and are just happy to be out there and don’t care where or how far they go. We go slow….

The other groups I take are about getting farther in the BWCA and I implement a one pack one “hand held” item rule and we can move much faster.

Nice work - leaving the PFD on is the one thing I'd like to change. However I went to a high-back PFD as a regular-backed PFD interferes with my seat's back band. Highback PFDs do not like being under a pack! I may change back for this reason however, if I can figure out how to make it work better with the dang back band.

I realize I do have some relevant photos of my minicell rod holder concept over on the DIY subforum: Minicell Rod Holder

It's in my Magic; in the last several years I've been paddling a Savage River Blackwater so I crafted a new rod holder for that.

Will get some photos of the rod holder & paddle holder in the Blackwater in a week or so but in the meantime the link above may help.

I'd love to see this Ultralight Gear become it's own group so that it could be searched and navigated more easily. There are so much that can be discussed on this topic I sent Adam an email request.

HangLoose: "I'd love to see this Ultralight Gear become it's own group so that it could be searched and navigated more easily. There are so much that can be discussed on this topic I sent Adam an email request. "

Good on you... +1 !

This lone thread already effectively has three or four topics and we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

I have ventured into the ultralight category but presently place myself into the lightweight category. I prefer to stay on the move, I single portage and change camp often. Lightweight equipment and techniques allow me to travel and camp comfortably and efficiently.

I step back from the ultralight category in my choice of a few items. I prefer a traditional internal frame backpack with multiple compartments for conveniently storing and locating items and I include a chair, mp 3 player, camera and tarp or screen shelter. Pack weight is about 30 lbs.

CanoeViking: "I just got my first real test of the Rockfront Rain hoodie it is made out of seal poly and only weighs 5.29 ounces. Is completely waterproof and it’s only source of breathability is through the pit zips which are full body. I really enjoyed the longer cuff shields compared to other rain jackets I’ve had.


We’ll see how durable it is through the next few seasons, but I’m already very impressed with it.


The other part that I liked about it is, I only had to spend $60 for it. I think the price went up $27 since I bought it, but I wouldn’t hesitate at the moment to do it again.


It is from Ukraine and they struggle to keep up with orders due to the war, but for the best rain, jacket of pants so far and help the war torn country I call it a double win.


Have anyone else had experience with the Rockfront rain hoodie?
"

The Rock Front Rain Hoody looks to be a simple functional rain jacket. I have been using an Arc'teryx Beta rain jacket. I can stay dry sitting in camp but no rain gear has kept me completely dry during activity.

I no longer take rain pants on summer trips but have considered purchasing or making a simple Rain Skirt . I think it would be functional and multipurpose, I could use it to cover equipment at night.

Tomcat: "I have ventured into the ultralight category but presently place myself into the lightweight category. I prefer to stay on the move, I single portage and change camp often. Lightweight equipment and techniques allow me to travel and camp comfortably and efficiently.


I step back from the ultralight category in my choice of a few items. I prefer a traditional internal frame backpack with multiple compartments for conveniently storing and locating items and I include a chair, mp 3 player, camera and tarp or screen shelter. Pack weight is about 30 lbs."

I’m contemplating bringing my mirrorless camera with one all around lens, what camera setup do you have?

Curious to ogle others’ FA/Utility kits: mine comes in at 14oz which I feel is pretty hefty, given I don’t often resort to using much that in there, the lighter is a backup for instance. But I know if I DID need it, when I don’t have it…

I learned my buddy has his all packed in an Altoid tin, so I’m thinking of downsizing to the smaller container next to it. What does your kit look like all packed away? Weight?

Just curious. One piece of equipment we need is a sleeping bag. The best light weight ones are also very expensive. Have any of you found a decent, mid range cost very light weight sleeping bag. My guess is you use a 30 degree rating. Please advise.

OakyDoke: "


Curious to ogle others’ FA/Utility kits: mine comes in at 14oz which I feel is pretty hefty, given I don’t often resort to using much that in there, the lighter is a backup for instance. But I know if I DID need it, when I don’t have it…


I learned my buddy has his all packed in an Altoid tin, so I’m thinking of downsizing to the smaller container next to it. What does your kit look like all packed away? Weight?"

Mine comes in at 5.6 ounces and I feel it’s pretty extensive. I carry it in a dyneema sleeve with a waterproof zipper.

When I get home, I’ll see if I can get a picture of it

OakyDoke: "
I’m contemplating bringing my mirrorless camera with one all around lens, what camera setup do you have?"

I bring a simple Nikon Coolpix camera with a spare battery. It is waterproof to 33 feet and shockproof from 5 feet. I am not a photographer, I just use to capture memories of my trips.

Moonpath: "Just curious. One piece of equipment we need is a sleeping bag. The best light weight ones are also very expensive. Have any of you found a decent, mid range cost very light weight sleeping bag. My guess is you use a 30 degree rating. Please advise."

What is midrange cost for you?

Moonpath: "Just curious. One piece of equipment we need is a sleeping bag. The best light weight ones are also very expensive. Have any of you found a decent, mid range cost very light weight sleeping bag. My guess is you use a 30 degree rating. Please advise."

As CV notes, it depends on your idea of mid-range cost...

If I needed a 30 degree, lightweight option I would look to buy a used Enlightened Equipment Enigma (or maybe Revelation) quilt.

With a little patience, you could likely find one on the ULgeartrade subreddit for under $250 and at or even under a pound-and-a-half.

Of course, that's a quilt, not a sleeping bag.

sns: "OK folks, a topic I am brave enough to throw out here, but was not brave enough to toss out to the whole community:


Portage efficiency!


There are times when I am leisurely, and there are times where I have the hammer down and am trying to make tracks. When I want to go fast in my solo, I can - especially in those portage transitions.


Here's what I do - would love to hear how other folks pivot from water to land & back quickly.


Final stretch of paddling, I press my fishing rod into a minicell holder on the inside of the hull, thus securing it for even the worst bushwhack. I also have velcro on the map case and a spot by my footrest, and similarly the map is now totally secure.


Exit the boat and clip my single blade paddle into its own minicell holder inside the hull - again, it's not going anywhere. Take dog's saddlebags and clip to her PFD. Attach yoke. Remove PFD, clip to pack. Shoulder my pack, shoulder the boat and walk.


As I am both a gram weenie and an efficiency geek, I have timed myself at 1:45 from landing to walking, and 45 seconds from walking to paddling.


So - what's your approach?"

No fishing gear. Land at the Portage while still in the water, I pull my one pack out, pull the canoe up, lean my paddle on a bush next to the trail. wedge my PFD under the seat on my Advantage, attach my yoke, put on my pack, hoist the canoe, start walking, grab my paddle and I'm off. Takes about 3 minutes.

Ok, repair kit and first aid kit…mine is (go figure) minimalist. I do carry sutures but no splint. Also includes over 100’ of cord for tarps & tents, drying lines, etc.

Here’s what I have:

sns: "

Portage efficiency!

So - what's your approach?"

I exit the canoe in the water, attach my paddle to the thwarts, stow my PFD under the rear seat, don my backpack, attach my food canister to the front of my shoulder straps, lift the canoe to my shoulders and exit the water.

I place my sleeping system, inflatable pillow, inflatable mattress and down sleeping bag, all together in a roll top water resistant bag. The sleeping bag is placed in an additional water resistant roll top bag. The system can be tossed into the tent where it can be deployed and repacked in a clean dry environment .

Tomcat, that's very interesting the way you have the food barrel in front of your hips.

How does that affect your vision and footing on portages?

Tomcat: "I place my sleeping system, inflatable pillow, inflatable mattress and down sleeping bag, all together in a roll top water resistant bag. The sleeping bag is placed in an additional water resistant roll top bag. The system can be tossed into the tent where it can be deployed and repacked in a clean dry environment .


My sleeping system:


















































"

This thread is already worth it. I like this process better than anything else I’ve seen. Thanks

Tomcat: "

sns: "


Portage efficiency!


So - what's your approach?"

I exit the canoe in the water, attach my paddle to the thwarts, stow my PFD under the rear seat, don my backpack, attach my food canister to the front of my shoulder straps, lift the canoe to my shoulders and exit the water.

































"

Did you make this or where’d you buy it?

CanoeViking, yes I made the backpack and the canister traps.

I’ve learned that just because I start a portage single-carrying doesn’t mean I’ll finish it that way. That’s why I prefer clipping my map to my pack’s flap—it ensures I have it with me on the first trip. Also, bug juice, head net and mini med kit containing means for stopping bleeding - I keep them with me, usually carried in my pocket. However, this may not be very relevant for BW trips.
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sns: "Tomcat, that's very interesting the way you have the food barrel in front of your hips.


How does that affect your vision and footing on portages?"

SNS, I have been carrying my food canister this way for 6 years now. I have had no vision or footing problems. One minor issue is that I have to lift the canoe over the canister when placing the canoe onto my shoulders.

CanoeViking
That rain hoodie looks interesting. Just from the pics the material looks similar to the Raidlight rain pants I picked up. I don't wear rain pants much, but they have held up well so far and are very light at 3.8 oz. I have no memory of where I got them. I know I didn't order them so maybe they were a thrift store find or something.

SNS
re. portage procedure
I worked on my efficiency a lot in 2023. As I near the portage, map and BeFree water filter get shoved down the front of my PFD. I step out and BDB my paddle to the seat base (the 2 BDBs are already in place and held there with small zip ties). I slide my seat forward, flip the portage yoke in place with a couple quick turns of the fastener, fling on my small pack, flip up the canoe and go. I don't have an exact time, but I know it's between 1-2 minutes. Less when I put back in. My map case velcros to the thwart in front of me so all I do is grab it from inside my PFD and slap it onto the thwart. I never have anything else out during the day...sunscreen and such are in my PFD pocket.

In contrast, it takes my family and I about 5 minutes to start a portage (which is still fast for a group). My son places the smaller Sealline pack and 3 paddles on shore while I place 2 water bottles under the top strap of the big Sealline pack and load it onto my son's shoulders. In the meantime, my husband repacks any loose items he has (usually just a clothing layer and water bottle) into his pack basket. I help him on with the pack basket and help him flip up the canoe (safer to 2-up it as he is 71 yo). I keep my PFD on for the portage but my son and husband remove their's unless it is a super short portage so my next job is to clip those PFDs under the smaller Sealline pack ears before slinging on the pack and taking up the rear of the group. I never have to set down my pack because the canoe is always in the water by the time I get there. My son is super speedy (those 21 yo legs) so he does usually set his pack down at the end and returns to check on my husband.

Tomcat: "I place my sleeping system, inflatable pillow, inflatable mattress and down sleeping bag, all together in a roll top water resistant bag. The sleeping bag is placed in an additional water resistant roll top bag. The system can be tossed into the tent where it can be deployed and repacked in a clean dry environment ."

This is a really intriguing system. I might see if I like the size and shape of the result in terms of how it fits into my pack.

Moonpath: "Just curious. One piece of equipment we need is a sleeping bag. The best light weight ones are also very expensive. Have any of you found a decent, mid range cost very light weight sleeping bag. My guess is you use a 30 degree rating. Please advise."

I carry a 30 degree during summer and a 20 degree during shoulder season. My first lightweight bag was purchased used off this site for pretty cheap and it is a decent 30 degree bag. However, I made the switch to Enlightened Equipment quilts a few years ago and can't say enough good things. I prefer down for its packability, lightweightness, and the fluffy feel (oh so cozy on a cool night). I purchased both my EE quilts from their "warehouse" page where they list imperfects or returns in order to save a bit and I have yet to find the imperfections.

straighthairedcurly: "

Moonpath: "Just curious. One piece of equipment we need is a sleeping bag. The best light weight ones are also very expensive. Have any of you found a decent, mid range cost very light weight sleeping bag. My guess is you use a 30 degree rating. Please advise."

I carry a 30 degree during summer and a 20 degree during shoulder season. My first lightweight bag was purchased used off this site for pretty cheap and it is a decent 30 degree bag. However, I made the switch to Enlightened Equipment quilts a few years ago and can't say enough good things. I prefer down for its packability, lightweightness, and the fluffy feel (oh so cozy on a cool night). I purchased both my EE quilts from their "warehouse" page where they list imperfects or returns in order to save a bit and I have yet to find the imperfections."

+1 on the EE quilts. Wait for one or their 20% off sales or get a 2nd. You wont regret it, I have used many sleeping bags over the years and my Enlighten Equipment Enigma quilt is by far the best I’ve ever used.

straighthairedcurly: "

Moonpath: "Just curious. One piece of equipment we need is a sleeping bag. The best light weight ones are also very expensive. Have any of you found a decent, mid range cost very light weight sleeping bag. My guess is you use a 30 degree rating. Please advise."

I carry a 30 degree during summer and a 20 degree during shoulder season. My first lightweight bag was purchased used off this site for pretty cheap and it is a decent 30 degree bag. However, I made the switch to Enlightened Equipment quilts a few years ago and can't say enough good things. I prefer down for its packability, lightweightness, and the fluffy feel (oh so cozy on a cool night). I purchased both my EE quilts from their "warehouse" page where they list imperfects or returns in order to save a bit and I have yet to find the imperfections."

+1 on the EE quilts. Wait for one or their 20% off sales or get a 2nd. You wont regret it, I have used many sleeping bags over the years and my Enlighten Equipment Enigma quilt is by far the best I’ve ever used.

EddyTurn: "I’ve learned that just because I start a portage single-carrying doesn’t mean I’ll finish it that way. That’s why I prefer clipping my map to my pack’s flap—it ensures I have it with me on the first trip. Also, bug juice, head net and mini med kit containing means for stopping bleeding - I keep them with me, usually carried in my pocket. However, this may not be very relevant for BW trips.
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I keep my PFD on when I portage and I keep a ditch kit in my PFD pocket that has emergency blanket, mini 1st aid, lighter, etc. And I agree about keeping my map with me always...mine stuffs down the front of my PFD. I used to put my map in my shorts pocket ...once it fell out and I about had a heart attack trying to find it...spent the whole walk back trying to picture an exit route in my head!

straighthairedcurly: "

EddyTurn: "I’ve learned that just because I start a portage single-carrying doesn’t mean I’ll finish it that way. That’s why I prefer clipping my map to my pack’s flap—it ensures I have it with me on the first trip. Also, bug juice, head net and mini med kit containing means for stopping bleeding - I keep them with me, usually carried in my pocket. However, this may not be very relevant for BW trips.
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I keep my PFD on when I portage and I keep a ditch kit in my PFD pocket that has emergency blanket, mini 1st aid, lighter, etc. And I agree about keeping my map with me always...mine stuffs down the front of my PFD. I used to put my map in my shorts pocket ...once it fell out and I about had a heart attack trying to find it...spent the whole walk back trying to picture an exit route in my head!"

I have a backup map in my PFD (one page/lower resolution when my main maps might be 3-8 pages). I've never even taken it out, but it's there in case I lose my main maps and of course I have my phone as backup as well.

straighthairedcurly: "I carry a 30 degree during summer and a 20 degree during shoulder season. "

Similar - I have a ~15 degree quilt for May & Sept/Oct; Summer I have a 40 degree Enigma L/W 7D 950 that weighs 14 ounces. Top kit for sure!

Do you have a favorite tent?

I prefer small freestanding external pitch design tents without vestibules
This Soomloom tent weighs 2 lb. 15.3 oz. without stakes.

Tomcat: "CanoeViking, yes I made the backpack and the canister traps."

Well that's neat.

Tomcat, did you put up a thread on your pack build in the DIY subforum?

sns: "

Tomcat: "CanoeViking, yes I made the backpack and the canister traps."

Well that's neat.


Tomcat, did you put up a thread on your pack build in the DIY subforum?"

No, I made the backpack over 35 years ago. It was the first and only backpack that I have made. I have recently started sewing other backpacks but have lost interest before I finished them.

sns: "I realize I do have some relevant photos of my minicell rod holder concept over on the DIY subforum: Minicell Rod Holder

Fantastic link, thanks! We bum around home in old Grummans and rent Kevlar for trips - but one day, when I get my own boat, that will be one of the first additions!

Tomcat: "Do you have a favorite tent?"

I use a Durston X-Mid Pro 2 w/ their poles. 28.5 oz with poles & stakes.

I chose it not only for the weight but also because I can set it up so fast. Efficient!

sns: "

straighthairedcurly: "I carry a 30 degree during summer and a 20 degree during shoulder season. "

Similar - I have a ~15 degree quilt for May & Sept/Oct; Summer I have a 40 degree Enigma L/W 7D 950 that weighs 14 ounces. Top kit for sure!"

I carry 32F down bag (Mountain Hardware Phantom 24oz.) and in shoulder season, unless I expect temps below freezing, I just throw in Thermolite Reactor Bag Liner, which claims to add about 12F, I think (another 9oz.).

Nice setups Tomcat. When you solo, have you considered removing the seats?

That's 4 - 5 pounds in your favor just waiting to stay home!

sns: "Nice setups Tomcat. When you solo, have you considered removing the seats?


That's 4 - 5 pounds in your favor just waiting to stay home!"

SNS, thank you for the suggestion. I removed the seats once when I refinished the gunnels and the hull flexes badly without the seats and thwarts. I believe that unless I replace the seats with thwarts I may damage the hull while paddling. Still, a thwart would weigh less than a seat.

I like that you explore options for saving weight and that you share your thoughts. That is why this lightweight thread interests me.

Beautiful setup, Tomcat! Makes one think...

You'd need to do some trial-and-error...however I have found that the thwarts are essential for structure/rigidity, while hung seats are often not.

sns: "

Tomcat: "Do you have a favorite tent?"

I use a Durston X-Mid Pro 2 w/ their poles. 28.5 oz with poles & stakes.


I chose it not only for the weight but also because I can set it up so fast. Efficient!


"

This is what I have also. I have the 2P instead of 1P so that I can fit my two dogs in with me.

EmmaMorgan: " 2P instead of 1P so that I can fit my two dogs in with me. "

I have one 53# dog and the 2P is perfect for us...feels spacious even if I have my pack inside.

Personally I would never put two full grown humans in a 2P tent however....

n+1

Tomcat: "Do you have a favorite tent? "

This Naturehike tent weighs 4 lb. 2.4 oz without stakes. It is storm worthy, quick to set up and transforms from open and airy to closed and secure from inside.

sns: "

Tomcat: "Do you have a favorite tent?"

I use a Durston X-Mid Pro 2 w/ their poles. 28.5 oz with poles & stakes.


I chose it not only for the weight but also because I can set it up so fast. Efficient!


"

I also use Dustin X-mid 2.

It sets up so fast and is quite light. I think I timed it once and in perfect weather I can set it up in about two minutes or less and nasty weather. I’ve done it in less than five.

Tomcat: "

CanoeViking: "I just got my first real test of the Rockfront Rain hoodie it is made out of seal poly and only weighs 5.29 ounces. Is completely waterproof and it’s only source of breathability is through the pit zips which are full body. I really enjoyed the longer cuff shields compared to other rain jackets I’ve had.



We’ll see how durable it is through the next few seasons, but I’m already very impressed with it.



The other part that I liked about it is, I only had to spend $60 for it. I think the price went up $27 since I bought it, but I wouldn’t hesitate at the moment to do it again.



It is from Ukraine and they struggle to keep up with orders due to the war, but for the best rain, jacket of pants so far and help the war torn country I call it a double win.



Have anyone else had experience with the Rockfront rain hoodie?
"

The Rock Front Rain Hoody looks to be a simple functional rain jacket. I have been using an Arc'teryx Beta rain jacket. I can stay dry sitting in camp but no rain gear has kept me completely dry during activity.


I no longer take rain pants on summer trips but have considered purchasing or making a simple Rain Skirt . I think it would be functional and multipurpose, I could use it to cover equipment at night."

I have thought about using a rain skirt as well for It Is multipurpose use, and I think it would do a better job at keeping my upper legs dry. Other rain pants just don’t seem to fit well and I wind up drenched from sweat anyway.

Another topic:

Part of why I go lightweight is so I can still bring a few luxuries while I single-carry.

My luxury List:
Helinox High-back Chair Zero (23oz)
Steiner 10x28 binos (13oz)
Earbuds for audiobook (1oz)
Swim Goggles (1.5 oz)
4 semi-DIY tea lights (1oz)

A couple of things that I'll call upgrades vs luxuries:
I sometimes will bring a warbonnet Ridgerunner hammock (26.5oz with spreader bars and suspension) in addition to my 2P Durston tent. If a site is better suited for hammocking, I have that option.
And I have a thick, fairly heavy sleeping pad: Long/Wide Big Agnes Rapide (26oz) because, well...I like sleeping. A lot.

So what do you bring that would get you permabanned from reddit's UL sub?

sns: "Another topic:


Part of why I go lightweight is so I can still bring a few luxuries while I single-carry.


My luxury List:
Helinox High-back Chair Zero (23oz)
Steiner 10x28 binos (13oz)
Earbuds for audiobook (1oz)
Swim Goggles (1.5 oz)
4 semi-DIY tea lights (1oz)


A couple of things that I'll call upgrades vs luxuries:
I sometimes will bring a warbonnet Ridgerunner hammock (26.5oz with spreader bars and suspension) in addition to my 2P Durston tent. If a site is better suited for hammocking, I have that option.
And I have a thick, fairly heavy sleeping pad: Long/Wide Big Agnes Rapide (26oz) because, well...I like sleeping. A lot.


So what do you bring that would get you permabanned from reddit's UL sub?"

I am in the same camp, one of the main reason I’ve been going more light ultralight is so that I can bring more luxuries.

Mine are:

Fishing gear
Monocular (coming soon)
Eno hammock (in the summer)
Saw (when I have the urge to burn)
CCS Tarp
Book

I'm also a huge fan of the Durston X-Mid, I have the 1P (not Pro...for various reasons). I love how small it packs, how quick it sets up and that I can remove the inner in order to use the fly as a tarp so I can pack my gear out of the rain on a wet morning.

sns: "So what do you bring that would get you permabanned from reddit's UL sub?"

I sometimes bring a lightweight hammock just for lounging in the afternoon between setting up camp and having dinner. Last winter I made some whoopie slings to save on the weight of the straps I originally bought to go with it. It's far from a needed item, but very enjoyable on a nice summer afternoon!

To go ultralight, your clothes that keep you warm during the day can can keep you warm at night. You do need a sleep pad to sit on and keep your back warm when you cook your meals, it can be attached under your coat. You can have a chimney, cookstove and tarp shelter that are under 4lbs. Total. The tarp can be pitched tight to the ground on all sides ready for a blizzard or all sides raised forming an umbrella. I like to sleep in a high sided, open top, water proof, on the ground hammock that hangs from a side of my tarp. It stops all wind drafts between tarp and ground. 4 sides of shelter, one man and his hammock each side.

sns: "
So what do you bring that would get you permabanned from reddit's UL sub?"

Camera, heavy paddle, heavy backpack, heavy food canister, heavy map case, battery operated razor, mp 3 player, screen shelter, chair, multiple storage bags for organization, heavy PFD, bear spray, heavy wash kit, heavy inflatable mattress, inflatable pillow, electric air pump, heavy tent, heavy shelter stakes, large capacity gravity water filter system, thermal drinking bottle, pee container for in tent, camp shoes.

I have identified most items that leave room for further weight reduction but I have been able to single carry across portages stopping only for unavoidable obstacles such as large downfalls so I feel that at this point my lightweight application is working. My pack weight is about 30 lbs., my canoe with paddles and PFDs about 50 lbs. and my food canister with food for 7 days is about 15 lbs.

HangLoose: "I'd love to see this Ultralight Gear become it's own group so that it could be searched and navigated more easily. There are so much that can be discussed on this topic I sent Adam an email request. "

+1

Love the various discussions. Very difficult to follow them in this format.

sns: "So what do you bring that would get you permabanned from reddit's UL sub?"

Helinox Chair Zero L
Agawa Boreal 21 saw
Book/Deck of Cards
CCS 10’x14’ Community Tarp
Fishing rod

**Have not brought yet but considering for future: camera - LUMIX GH5s with Olympus 12-40mm - not the lightest setup by any means, but how I love it so…

For an average solo trip (usually 9+ days, in a rough territory) my "luxuries" are:
repair kit (about 2.5lbs, including power bank and what-not);
med kit (1lb);
chair (1.2);
silky gomboy & gloves (0.75) for portages, not a luxury;
pillow (0.2);
extra water container, opsak, ziplocs;
kindle (0.6);
pot & wood stove (0.6), as backup to Jetboil;
rain gear + 2 hats weigh 2.3lbs.
My pack weighs around 38lbs plus food and scotch plus bug tarp in May-June.

SunrisePaddler: "

HangLoose: "I'd love to see this Ultralight Gear become it's own group so that it could be searched and navigated more easily. There are so much that can be discussed on this topic I sent Adam an email request. "

+1


Love the various discussions. Very difficult to follow them in this format. "

Agreed. I would much prefer to have this info be searchable and have cohesive threads.

straighthairedcurly: "

SunrisePaddler: "

HangLoose: "I'd love to see this Ultralight Gear become it's own group so that it could be searched and navigated more easily. There are so much that can be discussed on this topic I sent Adam an email request. "

+1



Love the various discussions. Very difficult to follow them in this format. "

Agreed. I would much prefer to have this info be searchable and have cohesive threads."

+1

CanoeViking: "

straighthairedcurly: "

SunrisePaddler: "

HangLoose: "I'd love to see this Ultralight Gear become it's own group so that it could be searched and navigated more easily. There are so much that can be discussed on this topic I sent Adam an email request. "

+1



Love the various discussions. Very difficult to follow them in this format. "

Agreed. I would much prefer to have this info be searchable and have cohesive threads."

+1"

+2

I'm going to withhold posting new content on this thread - the more info that goes in this thread, the harder it will be to read and to untangle.

I know the Admins are considering a separate subforum - hoping that happens.

sns: "I'm going to withhold posting new content on this thread - the more info that goes in this thread, the harder it will be to read and to untangle.


I know the Admins are considering a separate subforum - hoping that happens."

+1

A nice option for a lightweight hammock is Eno’s ultra light one.
ENO sub 6

Pair it with their ultralight weight Helios straps for roughly 10 oz. I have a relaxing hammock.

The BSA store had them on sale a few years ago back for 20 bucks so I picked them up.

This isn’t a sleep system…maybe for a kid but nice to relax in.

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I’m curious how many of you carry a footprint for your tent? If so, do you make your own?

+1 for a separate subforum

This year I have a new never used Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL3 Long tent and got some 1.5 mil polycro for an innie and outtie (I prefer both) in the form of a heavy duty window insulation kit. If anyone has any experience with either in the BWCA or northland forest camping I’d love to hear it.

Thinking about a diet too. I could stand to lose 15-20 lbs ;)

D-Train: I feel you on the body weight. Can't seem to shake it lately.


Any news on getting a sub-forum set up? Really want to be able to have topical threads.

straighthairedcurly: "
Any news on getting a sub-forum set up? Really want to be able to have topical threads."

+1 on a sub-forum. I wonder if writing an email to Adam would help. Does someone need to step forward to manage the sub-forum? I have no idea what the process entails but it seems like this Ultralight Topic would be much more popular than some of the other sub-forums already in existence.

I've emailed Jackfish and Adam twice - got a response (albeit noncommittal) right away from Jackfish the first time (10 days ago) and then sent another note to them yesterday.

I suspect that the moderators are too busy to see this thread - moderating this great site is no small task.

Probably would not hurt for them to hear directly from more of us about our interest. Otherwise, we are out-of-sight and out-of-mind.

I emailed to.

The squeaky wheel is always the first one to get the grease

Glad I'm not the only greasy squeak.

I finally figured out what you are asking for. You want a sub forum where threads can be started for one specific item. One thread for tents, another for a different piece of gear etc. Instead of everything in one thread where different topics are in no particular order. That makes sense.

I wonder if there is some confusion as to what we are asking for. There are many special interest groups and private groups. One group is called "kayaking". Another group is called "boat builders and repair". There are dozens of these private groups.

The following is copied from the list of private groups

"Special interest and private groups are created and maintained by members for specific discussion of outdoor, canoeing or wilderness topics, or used in group trip planning and post trip communication.
The following groups are available for self registration by any member. Click the "Add Me to This Group" link below to be added to the group."

So maybe someone needs to step up and offer to create and maintain a private group. Is that what needs to happen? If so then how does one set up a private group?

Tomcat: "

OakyDoke: "
I’m contemplating bringing my mirrorless camera with one all around lens, what camera setup do you have?"

I bring a simple Nikon Coolpix camera with a spare battery. It is waterproof to 33 feet and shockproof from 5 feet. I am not a photographer, I just use to capture memories of my trips."

That’s what I use. I added a floatie to it so when the dog or my husband gets too excited about a fish and we tip, I can find the camera.

What Pack are the ultra lighters using?

First things first- ultralight needs a sub thread- admins please make this happen!

What pack do those of you going ultra light use? I’m considering a solo trip this May. I’m a fairly experienced canoe camper and have all light weight gear, but have never soloed, so I don’t have an appropriate canoe pack for solo use. I take just the essentials- light weight everything plus maybe a camp chair.

What pack is working for you?

Diego: "What Pack are the ultra lighters using?


First things first- ultralight needs a sub thread- admins please make this happen!


What pack do those of you going ultra light use? I’m considering a solo trip this May. I’m a fairly experienced canoe camper and have all light weight gear, but have never soloed, so I don’t have an appropriate canoe pack for solo use. I take just the essentials- light weight everything plus maybe a camp chair.


What pack is working for you?"

Durston Kakwa 55 with nyloflume pack liner.

A dedicated Lightweight Tripping subforum is supposedly happening, though Jackfish & Adam made no promises about the timeline. Hoping for very soon, but...

Regardless - Since we have had some good discussions - including the most recent question about Packs, one idea might be to duplicate those discussions over in the new forum (when the time comes), with each topic in its own thread.

sns: "A dedicated Lightweight Tripping subforum is supposedly happening, though Jackfish & Adam made no promises about the timeline. Hoping for very soon, but...


Regardless - Since we have had some good discussions - including the most recent question about Packs, one idea might be to duplicate those discussions over in the new forum (when the time comes), with each topic in its own thread."

Great minds think alike :)
Eagerly awaiting the subforum.

sns: "A dedicated Lightweight Tripping subforum is supposedly happening, though Jackfish & Adam made no promises about the timeline. Hoping for very soon, but...


Regardless - Since we have had some good discussions - including the most recent question about Packs, one idea might be to duplicate those discussions over in the new forum (when the time comes), with each topic in its own thread."

Great minds think alike :)
Eagerly awaiting the subforum.

Diego: "What Pack are the ultra lighters using?"

Can’t wait for everyone sharing pack-‘exploded parts’ pictures!… in that new subforum!

It’s not ultra light, but is anyone using a CCS Explorer pack as their only pack while soloing? Looks like it might be just right for a minimalist camper volume wise and would sit well on the shoulders for portage purposes. I have some of their other packs, and I know the quality is outstanding.

Diego: "It’s not ultra light, but is anyone using a CCS Explorer pack as their only pack while soloing? Looks like it might be just right for a minimalist camper volume wise and would sit well on the shoulders for portage purposes. I have some of their other packs, and I know the quality is outstanding. "

I Use the Pioneer. Not the lightest but works perfect for my only pack. The food sack goes in the Pioneer

Any update on the new sub forum?

2nd that. I keep checking the list, but not seeing anything.