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Fisheggs
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03/09/2013 05:10PM   (Thread Older Than 3 Years)
Does anyone have any advice on these two species on the fly. Trying to hit the Knife Lake area for opener and bringing the fly rod to try my luck. Going to bring an intermediate or full sinking line for trolling fly's for lakers. Does anybody have any advice on which line to bring? Then would also like to try and target the Jack fish in shallower water in some bays. Could the lakers be found trying that method, obviously water temperature permitting? Will I need some 10lb steelhead leaders for this area and 20lb Toothy Critter leaders? Is tippet needed much? Sizes 0-4X? Basically just planning on bringing a bunch of different top waters and streamers and try my luck.
 
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jeroldharter
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03/09/2013 06:28PM  
Don't know much about lakers. Never caught one on a fly-yet.

For pike that is a good tie of year to catch them shallow. In my experience, a sunny, glass-calm day is the day for topwater. Otherwise it is almost all subsurface. Intermediate line is fine for that with an 8-9 weight rod.

For a leader, a 9-ft 12-lb bass leader should be fine. For wire, I use only 13-lb Surflon Micro-Supreme (Cabela's has it). It is by far the best and ties knots easily. I use a double Uni knot for leader to wire and a loop knot for wire to fly (much better action than a knot that goes tight to the hook eye). That wire is light enough to use with topwater pike flies also.

Big deceivers and bunny strip flies work well sub surface. The bunny flies can be fished slowly when needed.

Muskie Mono and Tiger Wire are no good compared to the Surflon but much cheaper. Heavy fluoro like 40-lb can work but knots can get too large and the line is so thick that it won't get through the eyes of some bass flies that you might use.
 
Moonman
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03/09/2013 08:13PM  
You're gonna need both lines. Either bring an extra spool or change lines via loop to loop connections. If only one line, take the intermediate. Pike will be fairly shallow from surface down to 15 feet and intermediates are perfect for that, plus they give you that nice level depth on the retrieve.

I have caught many lakers on the fly. I have caught some on an intermediate but many more on a full sink line, even at ice out.

I love rabbit strip flies and deceivers tied with some angel hair for flash. I have been tying some stuff for spring lakers the past few weeks and will post some pics in the next few days. Really its more about presentation and getting your fly in front of fish than exact pattern, so whatever your favorite fly is, I'm sure it will work.

If you can swing it, probably your best bet would be to take two rods, one with a full sink, the other the intermediate. I use 40lb fluoro with confidence for pike. On a full sink line for lakers, I use a straight length of 8lb mono usually, in really clear water I'll use 8lb fluoro but usually just maxima ultragreen.

Moonman.
 
jeroldharter
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03/09/2013 08:31PM  
Moonman ties tome nice flies. I would like to see those photos.
 
Savage Voyageur
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03/10/2013 02:16PM  
Welcome aboard Fisheggs. I have had good luck for Pike with sinking line and a Mike's meal ticket fly.
 
Fisheggs
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03/10/2013 04:57PM  
Thanks for all the information! Haven't had too much experience will either of these lines. Can you still use top water with an intermediate sinking line, or is the weight of the line to great and sinks the fly?
 
jeroldharter
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03/10/2013 05:12PM  
You can use intermediate line with poppers or divers if you are trying to drown them or pull them a foot or so under water. I do that occasionally but I would not want to be stuck having to fish that way. Better to have two spools or two reels with intermediate and floating lines.
 
Fisheggs
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03/27/2013 01:15PM  
Can you use a full sink line for streamers as well or does this line sink too quickly?
 
Moonman
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03/28/2013 07:24AM  
Yes definitely you can use full sinking line for streamers. That is actually what type of fly I use most often with it. In fact many serious musky guys (for example Larry Dahlberg) use a full sinking line with a big rabbit strip Dahlberg Diver almost all the time as a go to presentation for muskies. Exception being very early spring very shallow pike. The full sink line will get the fly down deep quickly along a deep drop off etc.

Also, I often use a full sink line, plus pull out half my backing while trolling lakers in spring - even though lakers can be shallow, they can also be down 40 feet or more in spring and you can get down to them nicely with this method. Additionally, this works really well in the middle of the day when its bright and sunny and action up high is non existent.

Moonman.
 
Fisheggs
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03/29/2013 08:53PM  
Moonman which line do you recommend? Im looking at the Rio Medium 4 Full sink. The sink rate is 4-5 IPS. Do you think ill need one that sinks faster?
 
Moonman
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03/30/2013 08:22AM  
quote Fisheggs: "Moonman which line do you recommend? Im looking at the Rio Medium 4 Full sink. The sink rate is 4-5 IPS. Do you think ill need one that sinks faster?"

I think that would be a fine choice but I generally don't think the high end sinking lines warrant the price, if you are mainly trolling. You can get a Scientific Anglers level type 5 or 6 sinking line for 25.00 bucks and it will do the job. Now if you were predominantly casting sinking lines (as opposed to trolling) then the more expensive sinking lines are worth it, as their taper and weight distribution of the line allow for better casting and a more even sinking profile. If you like the RIO line, I would actually get a type 3 instead, if that is the only line you are going to get. The reason is that for casting shallows - say 10-15' for pike etc, the type 4 will sink too fast = ideally a nice slow sinker that will allow you to retrieve your fly a few feet down will work way better than one that will take you down to the bottom right away. Saying that the type 4 line (or even type 6) would be better for trolling lakers....

So what I would recommend would be a clear intermediate AND a faster sinking line. I really like the Scientific Anglers 'Stillwater' Line, or you can try the Cortland Clear Camo, or even the Cabelas Prestige No Vis clear intermediate, around 35.00. The Cabelas 'Prestige' clear intermediate line is cheap enough that you can get that one, then a 25 - 30.00 full sink type 4-6, for the same price as one higher end line. Hope that helps.

Moonman.

 
Fisheggs
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03/30/2013 02:39PM  
This helps me out a lot thanks Moonman. Ill probably be casting as much as trolling with the line, and yes will only bring one sink line. It seems this year the ice will be out that and will be trying to enter moose lake on the 9th. If the ice is out within a few days of that ill be trying to cast for lakers as well. Will that Cabelas Prestige cast well too? So basically I am looking for the best line for casting and trolling for the price as well. I watched a that hawk lake lodge video with walleyes on the fly, which is awesome. With that type 3 will I be able to do that? And then a 15-20lb Toothy Critter leader? Is this the Cabelas line you are referring to? http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=732330
 
Moonman
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03/30/2013 03:20PM  
Hi Fisheggs,

No that wasn't the one I was referring to, same brand but I meant the full sinking clear intermediate (the whole line, not just the tip). I don't see it on the website though. Maybe they don't sell it anymore. It does cast wonderfully, all the clear intermediates do.

If you can't find a clear line in your price range, then a type 3 will work. It will also be fine for fishing streamers as per that walleye video - just wait for it to sink before starting your retrieve.

You might also try Orvis, their lines are just as expensive as Scientific Anglers (in fact I think SA makes the Orvis lines...), but they often have sales on in their online bargain bin.

Moonman.
 
Fisheggs
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04/06/2013 03:43PM  
Thanks for the advice. Ive found the line to get now. Can't wait for may!
 
jeroldharter
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04/06/2013 03:51PM  
The intermediate line I posted is no longer available.

For a sinking line that you can cast, consider this Rio Outbound:

https://www.feather-craft.com/wecs.php?store=feacraft&action=display&target=FG137

How did you trip go this year?
 
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