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plainspaddler
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10/23/2013 08:34PM   (Thread Older Than 3 Years)
For those of you that use a screen shelter on your canoe trips, what size do you use? What do they weigh? Any good brands? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

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10/23/2013 08:42PM  
I use the Nemo 12x12. Plenty of room for 4 people on those buggy nights and rainy days. To me it is worth it's weight in gold.I did buy three poles to use with the shelter ,it makes set up a breeze.
 
DrBobDg
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10/23/2013 08:53PM  
I have a CCS 3 from Cooks Custom Canvas which was really nice in Idaho when the bees were so bad at meal times.
 
kanoes
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10/23/2013 08:53PM  
cowdoc had one of these that we just tied underneath the tarp. worked great. sea to summit
 
tonyyarusso
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10/23/2013 10:03PM  
I never have before because of the weight, but I just picked up a Nemo 7x7 for 40% off (Campsaver.com - still available) which is only 2 pounds, so that will get tried out next season sometime.
 
kanoes
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10/23/2013 10:13PM  
good luck in the rain with that. 7x7 is tiny. my solo tarp is 8x10 and sometimes thats barely enough coverage.
 
wetcanoedog
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10/23/2013 10:16PM  
made my own out of silnylon.keeps out wind,rain and bugs from all directions.weight is about four pounds with the lines and stakes.
if it's really wet and cold i light a Gaz lamp at super low and it heats the inside.

a side and front view and spread out drying to give a idea of the size.packed into a stuff bag it's about the size of a basketball.
i pack it flat in a over sized bag on top of the food bag outside the plastic bags,
 
10/23/2013 10:20PM  
quote kanoes: "good luck in the rain with that. 7x7 is tiny."

I have the same one, should work fine for two guys provided they are sitting close, it's small but it's nice for what it is meant for, also the screen does seem to knock down the rain a bit so you can sit a tiny bit closer without it hitting you. I bought it mostly for cleaning fish, I hate slapping skeeters with fish hands.
 
kanoes
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10/23/2013 10:27PM  
quote Ragged: "quote kanoes: "good luck in the rain with that. 7x7 is tiny."


I have the same one, should work fine for two guys provided they are sitting close, it's small but it's nice for what it is meant for"

meant for blue bird buggy weather.

you bought one for cleaning fish?? every year i try to lower pack weights.
 
10/23/2013 10:36PM  
quote kanoes: "
blue bird buggy weather. you bought one for cleaning fish?? every year i try to lower pack weights."



Wasn't really talking about BWCA specifically, I don't really clean a bunch of fish on canoe trips, one or two at the most, bought it for multi use role, fish cleaning shack for regular old fishing/camping trips, bug shelter and just incase rain shelter for 1-2guy canoe trips, so far it fulfills those roles nicely.

Why the poo-poo Jan? Just because you don't like the brand? It only weighs 7oz more than the bug cube you endorsed and it's bigger and doubles as a light duty rain shelter, seems like a no-brainer to me.
 
kanoes
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10/23/2013 10:46PM  
unless otherwise specified, i assume every post here is related to canoe trips. this is bwca.com after all.
 
10/23/2013 10:49PM  
quote kanoes: "unless otherwise specified, i assume every post here is related to canoe trips. this is bwca.com after all."

I see you are in one of your famous moods again, very well then, you win, it sucks, happy?
 
NotLight
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10/23/2013 10:56PM  
The 7x7ft Nemo Bugout (on sale now at Campsaver) is really nice because of the small weight and size. I'd recommend it to anyone.

Kanoes is right in that a 7x7ft shelter shrinks to 4x4ft in the rain because of rain blowing in from the sides and water seeping in from the ground - so you might want something larger for extreme rain. But, Ragged is also correct in that the side screen in the Nemo blocks some of the rain so you can get by with it where maybe a 7x7 tarp alone would be too small.

Really IMHO the best combination is to use the 7x7 Nemo under a 10x12 Silnylon tarp to overhang the Nemo. That combination is 1lb lighter than the 9x9ft Nemo Bugout and packs to less than half the size, but gives the same useable space as the 9x9 Nemo (in the rain) and is much more flexible in terms of setups.

Here's my Nemo 7x7ft Bugout after a full day of slow rain. You can see the ground inside the edges of the Nemo is slowly getting wet.








 
OBX2Kayak
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10/23/2013 11:27PM  
quote Ragged: "quote kanoes: "unless otherwise specified, i assume every post here is related to canoe trips. this is bwca.com after all."


I see you are in one of your famous moods again, very well then, you win, it sucks, happy?"


Now, boys. This is just a friendly discussion.
 
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10/24/2013 07:46AM  
10 x 10 Eureka....w/ side screens, but no floor. 12 lbs w/ poles
 
10/24/2013 08:33AM  
quote NotLight: "The 7x7ft Nemo Bugout (on sale now at Campsaver) is really nice because of the small weight and size. I'd recommend it to anyone.

Kanoes is right in that a 7x7ft shelter shrinks to 4x4ft in the rain because of rain blowing in from the sides and water seeping in from the ground - so you might want something larger for extreme rain. But, Ragged is also correct in that the side screen in the Nemo blocks some of the rain so you can get by with it where maybe a 7x7 tarp alone would be too small.

Really IMHO the best combination is to use the 7x7 Nemo under a 10x12 Silnylon tarp to overhang the Nemo. That combination is 1lb lighter than the 9x9ft Nemo Bugout and packs to less than half the size, but gives the same useable space as the 9x9 Nemo (in the rain) and is much more flexible in terms of setups.

Here's my Nemo 7x7ft Bugout after a full day of slow rain. You can see the ground inside the edges of the Nemo is slowly getting wet.





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Right on, its not even close to being a substitute for a legitimate rainfly, but generally when I trip with one other guy we almost never pitch a fly, we are always moving, there might be one layover day but even then we spend a good amount of the time cutting wood and fishing so time sitting under the tarp is minimal. I've just found that I rarely use it on these 2 man trips and even with my CCS 1.1 I'm pushing 3-4lbs with all the rigging. With this I can get the added protection of a bug shelter and have a light duty rain fly if I want to catch a meal out of the rain, or stash some wood for later, with rigging it comes out to be about the same as my CCS 1.1, giving up some considerable rain protection but adding bug protection, CCS has all the rain protection you would want but zero bug protection. As with any tarp it always pays to make your rigging quickly adjustable, you can maximize the protection of the small tarp by adjusting it to fit the direction of the rain. I also think Nemo treats the mesh to help it block rain, not sure how much different it is the regular no-see-um but they do make the claim. Its not for every trip but it certainly is a worthwhile piece of gear that is nice to have in the quiver, well worth the $120 I paid. I do wish they would offer a large "Elite" version, 10 X 10 would be nice, that Elite yellow fabric is so much lighter than the PU coated green fabric found on their standard bugout.

 
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10/24/2013 10:30AM  
I've got a Nemo 12x12 screen fly and it works great. I bought a couple of nesting type 8 ft poles from Campmor and the I use a couple of painter extension poles for the shorter sides. My only complaint with it is the loops to go around the poles are too small for the poles. They need to make them bigger. Otherwise it works great and keeps the bugs out. It's not the weight much as the bulk that is a problem. As they pack down rather large. I also have a Camp Trails/Eureka Screen house tent too that I found but there are no poles for it. It's on the heavier side and I need to sew some more tie out loops onto it to use without poles and to find some poles that will work on it as Eureka no longer has the pole set for it. I think it would work with their current screen house as it's the same size and the only difference is the new one has two doors instead of one. But they say it's a matter of liability that they have to have the right poles for the right tent.
 
OldFingers57
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10/24/2013 10:30AM  
I've got a Nemo 12x12 screen fly and it works great. I bought a couple of nesting type 8 ft poles from Campmor and the I use a couple of painter extension poles for the shorter sides. My only complaint with it is the loops to go around the poles are too small for the poles. They need to make them bigger. Otherwise it works great and keeps the bugs out. It's not the weight much as the bulk that is a problem. As they pack down rather large. I also have a Camp Trails/Eureka Screen house tent too that I found but there are no poles for it. It's on the heavier side and I need to sew some more tie out loops onto it to use without poles and to find some poles that will work on it as Eureka no longer has the pole set for it. I think it would work with their current screen house as it's the same size and the only difference is the new one has two doors instead of one. But they say it's a matter of liability that they have to have the right poles for the right tent.
 
10/24/2013 10:54AM  
quote OldFingers57: "I've got a Nemo 12x12 screen fly and it works great. I bought a couple of nesting type 8 ft poles from Campmor and the I use a couple of painter extension poles for the shorter sides. My only complaint with it is the loops to go around the poles are too small for the poles. They need to make them bigger. Otherwise it works great and keeps the bugs out. It's not the weight much as the bulk that is a problem. As they pack down rather large. I also have a Camp Trails/Eureka Screen house tent too that I found but there are no poles for it. It's on the heavier side and I need to sew some more tie out loops onto it to use without poles and to find some poles that will work on it as Eureka no longer has the pole set for it. I think it would work with their current screen house as it's the same size and the only difference is the new one has two doors instead of one. But they say it's a matter of liability that they have to have the right poles for the right tent. " I use parachute cord tied to the loops and then tied again to the poles. I also had my buddy who is a professional sewer sew on stake down loops and more guy loops .it handled some 50 mile per hour winds In quetico. I would higHly recommend adding extra loops if at all possible.
 
10/24/2013 11:20AM  
quote kanoes: "cowdoc had one of these that we just tied underneath the tarp. worked great. sea to summit "

The Nemo outfits look neat, a bit pricey and getting heavy for the bigger sized ones IMO. I already had a good tarp so hanging the bug net under it worked out great....pricewise, size and weight.
 
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10/24/2013 04:39PM  
jeez, bug season, ugg!
 
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