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scotttimm
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03/18/2020 09:24AM
Was just reading this great article (below) about what it is like to disappear into the wilderness and reappear to a completely changed world. Planning for my two trips this summer are helping to keep me sane and mentally occupied. But there is the nagging question - what do you think the chances are that they will shut down the BWCA or permit stations? I mean, two weeks ago, I would have never guessed that the NBA, MLB, restaurants, schools would shut down, borders closing left and right...anyone hear anything or have an informed opinion?

Blissful Ignorance - Rafters and Coronavirus
 
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missmolly
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03/18/2020 09:38AM
I think they might close the BWCA for this reason: If someone gets sick while paddling, removing them means first responders are yanked into the woods. Since the virus can linger for hours in the air and days on certain surfaces, transporting them by plane becomes even more problematic.

Thanks for the link. That's a powerful read.
 
03/18/2020 10:07AM
If it is shut down, it will probably due to the Gov. workers that run it, maintain it, issue permits, etc......have been sent home on mandated leave or reassigned to other gov. agencies to aid in crisis control. It will essentially be closed.
 
nofish
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03/18/2020 10:15AM
cowdoc: "If it is shut down, it will probably due to the Gov. workers that run it, maintain it, issue permits, etc......have been sent home on mandated leave or reassigned to other gov. agencies to aid in crisis control. It will essentially be closed."

I agree that this would likely the reason for a shutdown if one exists. Perhaps they'd allow self issued permits like they do in the off seasons.
 
Pinetree
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03/18/2020 10:18AM
One thing that is two months off. I also think it could go to a self registration or completely on line process. I don't think they will shut it down. I am sure day permits will always be available.

Something not brought up tho maybe non residents would not be allowed to cross into Minnesota. Were jumping to a lot of conclusions now.

 
nofish
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03/18/2020 12:22PM
Pinetree: " Were jumping to a lot of conclusions now. "
There sure is a lot of free time to be doing that. We should all be mindful to not think too far ahead. The future is a very uncertain place. This time last week I was at home packing for a trip to France, now that is all but unthinkable. We're living in a fast changing world at the moment with no certainty of what the next day will bring. All we can do is rely on the facts that we do know and not worry about the things we don't.

We do know that China seems to have been able to turn things around in about 6 weeks and life is starting to slowly get back to normal there. If we all do our parts to slow or prevent the spread of the virus there is no reason things won't look better here in six weeks as well.
 
Blatz
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03/18/2020 12:54PM
Right now you can still go into places, just not sit down and hang out like a restaurant. I could see the process being quickened when receiving your permit. Watching the info video on line instead of watching it there would help. There's a number of things that can be done to keep the numbers low in permit issuing places. BUT the best way would be to e-mail your permit to you so you wouldn't have to pick it up. Once you're in the Park then social distancing is easy. Rules are being bent all the time right now.For example Doctors can now cross state boarders and work without that state's certification.
 
A1t2o
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03/18/2020 02:00PM
If it gets that bad to the point where they are shutting down the BWCA, I am probably not going to be able to go on the trip anyways. If people get sick, they can't come back to work without a doctor's note. The doctors are only testing limited cases. So if most people get sick, they can't be cleared to go back to work. Maybe they can go through a quarantine period of 2-3 weeks, but that is a lot of time to miss from work. So either by being that far behind in your work or missing/reduced pay from not being able to go in, most people would have a hard time justifying a boundary waters trip. With as bad as it would have to be to close the BWCA, at least some of the guys (or their family) are likely to get sick. That or it would be too risky to enter the BWCA for an extended trip if there is a chance that you could be infected, just not showing symptoms yet.

That said, I have a trip planned for May and have no intention of canceling it.
 
03/18/2020 03:50PM
I sure hope they don't close the BWCA, but at this point, who knows?

My best friend is better (lingering cough), but just got the results this morning...CV+. Wife and 2 of his 3 kids (teens) all CV+ too, but all mostly recovered. He runs a manufacturing company; will be interesting to see if they close. Can't build industrial equipment on your couch.

Really would like to press the fast-forward button right now.
 
03/18/2020 07:09PM
sns: "Really would like to press the fast-forward button right now."

Amen to that.
 
Grizzlyman
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03/18/2020 08:11PM
So if they close it, and you go anyway. Who’s going to stop you?
 
JackpineJim
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03/18/2020 08:18PM
Anytime you ask a question it opens the door for someone to give an answer you might not want to hear. Who is Q anyway?
 
Moonpath
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03/18/2020 08:28PM
Duh bears.
 
03/19/2020 01:11AM
Grizzlyman: "So if they close it, and you go anyway. Who’s going to stop you?"

I was wondering the same thing. Much like when all the National Parks closed and people were still visiting them.
 
NotLight
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03/19/2020 03:56AM
It’s pretty clear at this point the country is headed for a complete 15 to 30-day shutdown like Italy and France. I assume that would include national parks, BWCA, ventilator and N95 mask factories, but exclude domestic and international flights to Wuhan and Milan, cruise ships, crowded beaches, and bobbing-for-apples facilities.
 
x2jmorris
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03/19/2020 05:18AM
I agree it could be shutdown as far as being able to get a permit. But yeah no one will be out there to stop you. Your car might be missing when you come out though ;)
 
03/19/2020 08:02AM
Pinetree: "One thing that is two months off. I also think it could go to a self registration or completely on line process. I don't think they will shut it down. I am sure day permits will always be available.
"

This seems to me the most logical if not most likely path forward. I also don't think they will shut it down for two reasons: 1) not practical / possible to enforce and 2) economic impact. Possibly a third... at some point, life has to continue... we need to go on living and making a living. Can't just print more money to make up for the economic losses. These steps are all about flattening the curve, and buying time for the healthcare system to "catch up", because the virus is already out of the box and spread is inevitable. How long that will take is uncertain right now.
 
03/19/2020 08:53AM
Looks like National Parks are encouraging people to spread out for the time being, waiving entrance fees.
 
Pinetree
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03/19/2020 09:23AM
fadersup: "Looks like National Parks are encouraging people to spread out for the time being, waiving entrance fees." yes there waved
 
Grandma L
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03/19/2020 09:33AM
luft: "Grizzlyman: "So if they close it, and you go anyway. Who’s going to stop you?"
I was wondering the same thing. Much like when all the National Parks closed and people were still visiting them."

Luft, You can self-quarantine in the tree house any time - no permit needed. I will be up there next week and put in the cot, mattress, table and all. No permit needed. Just call ahead so I turn on the power and water. That is, if they let you leave the city.
 
jfinn
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03/19/2020 09:37AM
nofish: "Pinetree: " Were jumping to a lot of conclusions now. "

We do know that China seems to have been able to turn things around in about 6 weeks and life is starting to slowly get back to normal there. "


Do we? South Korea yes, China? Hum.........
 
Eyedocron
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03/19/2020 10:35AM
Nothing to do with the current virus, but if you look at the original question, it had to do with going into the wilderness out of touch for a couple of weeks, and returning to a changed world. This happened to me.
Nearly 30 years a go I took a Scout crew into the Quetico one late July. When we came out, we went to Ely and discovered gas prices had tripled. Asked why and was told "We're going to war!" Why and with whom? Iraq had invaded Kuwait.
 
CampSR
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03/19/2020 11:54AM
Eyedocron: "Nothing to do with the current virus, but if you look at the original question, it had to do with going into the wilderness out of touch for a couple of weeks, and returning to a changed world. This happened to me.
Nearly 30 years a go I took a Scout crew into the Quetico one late July. When we came out, we went to Ely and discovered gas prices had tripled. Asked why and was told "We're going to war!" Why and with whom? Iraq had invaded Kuwait."


True, could come out to an apocalyptic world, zombies perhaps?? At which point I would just turn around and head right back in for the rest of my days.
 
Duff
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03/19/2020 11:57AM
At this point last week I was in the Bdub, no cell service, but we had a radio. We could hear that things were changing super fast in the outside world. When we came out on Sunday we stopped at Trail Center for lunch, and the only other group there by coincidence was an old college friend of mine, who was up sledding. He and the waitress caught us up on things.
Got to Grand Marais and finally checked in with home and work email. Yikes.....our whole company of 5000 switched to work from home, and my wife's company was working on doing the same.
Just amazing how quickly it has gone down. Was able to enjoy bars and restaurants on the way up and back, and only a few days later that's not possible.
 
AmarilloJim
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03/19/2020 01:10PM
Ugh! I'm not a happy camper
 
LDB
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03/19/2020 02:20PM
Our little super conservative Christian town in Iowa has turned into a rabid pack of TP hoarding and stealing zombies. I went on line to get some Mountain House large containers, we like to pair it down into smaller servings, sold out. Then i see that the report on the Twin Metals study was completely redacted, like it was top security, what childish BS. I am a conservative, but I am pissed. I smell a skunk, from Trump down, I no longer trust any of them.
 
SinglePortage
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03/21/2020 03:25PM
They have effectively closed the AP, CDT and PCT hiking trails. If they feel the need to close 2-3,000 mile hiking trails I assume that they can close the Bdub too.
 
03/21/2020 03:37PM
SinglePortage: "They have effectively closed the AP, CDT and PCT hiking trails. If they feel the need to close 2-3,000 mile hiking trails I assume that they can close the Bdub too."

Good point.

I wonder if Governor Walz orders shelter-in-place for Minnesotans, does that effectively close the BWCA too...? I'm not clear on what you are allowed to do under such a directive.
 
Blatz
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03/21/2020 03:55PM
sns: "SinglePortage: "They have effectively closed the AP, CDT and PCT hiking trails. If they feel the need to close 2-3,000 mile hiking trails I assume that they can close the Bdub too."


Good point.


I wonder if Governor Walz orders shelter-in-place for Minnesotans, does that effectively close the BWCA too...? I'm not clear on what you are allowed to do under such a directive."
We have Shelter in Place in IL right now. What it means is Only essential business stay open. Grocery,Gas Stations, Hospitals, Garbage pick up ect ect., but it's also the business that support these essential places are open too. So packaging companies, shipping and Hardware Stores for example are open. Places like Clothing stores or furniture stores have to close. Parks are open so you can go out for a run, bike ride, or paddle. However facilities at the parks are closed like play grounds. So stay away from people, stay at home unless you work in an essential business. or going to buy food.
 
03/21/2020 04:11PM
Popular outdoor areas like Moab Utah are only allowing essential people to camp and visit because the Hospital is so small. This would have been one of the busiest times. If things are still bad in Minnesota in mid May they may cancel outdoor activities like fishing to try to prevent strain on the small out state hospitals. Also locals have been very upset in California as outsiders like climbers and hikers enter towns like Bishop and buy up supplies and ignore shelter in place. Who knows what will happen.
 
andym
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03/21/2020 04:13PM
Under our shelter in place orders in the SF Bay Area camping is not allowed. I guess you could argue that you should be allowed to do it with the family that lives in your home but that still leaves contacts when driving to the camping location and the need to maintain facilities. Hopefully this stage won’t last to long.

And as Garmin pointed out in an email to inreach accounts:
Note: Please recreate responsibly and consider the pressure currently on the emergency and medical community as well as local quarantine mandates that may impact rescue teams.
 
martian
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03/21/2020 05:44PM
Wow, I'm so hoping they don't decide to shut down the BWCA and this all clears out. We paid our permit fee for a June 7-12th trip we are excited to do a father / daughter trip. My senior daughter who will miss her final season of HS soccer and very possibly graduation. I know, that's life.
We officially go into a 30 day stay at home directive now starting Tuesday in KC. Education moves online from home and fortunately work from there as well.
I've never seen such a time. I also don't recall going through these lock down isolation protocols for H1N1 that killed so many. Crazy times.
Stay Safe!
 
missmolly
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03/21/2020 08:17PM
Bushpilot: " In Minnesota's small tourist towns, there's trepidation over visitors Northern Minnesota, with limited hospital resources and an aging population, fears surge of vacationers. "

There's the same fear in Maine, as my peninsula's population increase five-fold in the summer and the summer people are already arriving, fleeing NYC and Boston.
 
Birdknowsbest
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03/22/2020 01:43AM
I think one good thing to come of this, is how many people can really work from home. Hopefully businesses realize this as it would lead to a lot less people on the roads, less pollution and more people spending time with their families.
 
andym
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03/22/2020 04:10AM
I think the fears in small towns that are vacation areas are valid and need to be dealt with. We saw it on a localized scale here today. Everyone has been cooped up for a week, kids are home, and all of a sudden no one is working at home on Saturday. The result was traffic jams as people from all over the SF Peninsula flocked to our small coastal community for some outside recreation. That meant lots of people on the beaches, trouble with social distancing, and lines outside popular takeout places.

And it wasn’t just the beaches. We heard our report that one of parks with excellent hiking through the redwoods was more crowded than a local had ever seen it. A hiking area north of San Francisco had “unprecedented” use.

It turned into a nice afternoon but we chose to exercise at home on our equipment and will head try our neighborhood trails only on weekdays.

Of course, it is reasonable that people who live in more crowded areas to want to get outdoors. But right now it is creating problems. In places to the north those problems will be even worse when spring comes. I fear for Ely when fishing opener comes.

At least our day visitors will go home and use their own hospitals. But those are the same hospitals we use too and 5e whole point of this is to not overload them.
 
marsonite
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03/22/2020 08:47AM
My guess is that if things don't improve, they will close the BWCA. Simple reason is they will not want hundreds or thousands of people driving from the Twin Cities and spreading the virus in towns like Ely and Grand Marais. Nor do they want Twin Cities people to be showing up in the emergency rooms up there with Covid 19.

Lets hope that somehow we can get case numbers to go down, but it sure doesn't look good at the moment.
 
scotttimm
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03/22/2020 09:07AM
Bushpilot: " In Minnesota's small tourist towns, there's trepidation over visitors Northern Minnesota, with limited hospital resources and an aging population, fears surge of vacationers. "

Thank you for this article - it really lays out some of the issues and fears. Fear brings out the worst in us, as evidenced in the comments of the article. My parents are on the fence about heading up to their cabin north of Grand Rapids or staying home - sounds like they think staying home is better, as they are both in higher risk categories and want to be near good medical care. I'm hoping that in another six weeks maybe we are on the backside of this thing. I cannot imagine the impact it will have on the local economies if the BWCA is closed, and that must be a really tough reality to be facing up there as a small business owner. I have two permits - early June and late July - maybe I will be able to make one of them. If not - time to start exploring more locally!
 
Bushpilot
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03/22/2020 09:09AM
The Virginia MN hospital has six ICU beds and six ventilators.

This is from a young lady from "up north", not my words.

"Just to put it in perspective: Cook County has approximately 5,500 residents. 1/3 of them are 65 plus. Our clinic has six doctors and one Nurse Practitioner. Our hospital has sixteen beds, no ICU. Closest ICU is over a 100 miles away. Let that sink in. All it takes is ONE person in our small community to have COVID-19 and it will spread through our community like wildfire.

We love that people love coming here. We all fully understand that we need the tourism for our business to survive. We also know that In order to have a beautiful place to come back to when this is over, we need the people to run and work those businesses.

The residents of Cook County, in no way, shape or form, are trying to offend, disrespect, or “bite the hand that feeds them”. We are trying to protect our people so that everyone has a place to live in and come back to. We wish for everyone to be safe and healthy during this tough time. "
 
dentondoc
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03/22/2020 09:23AM
scotttimm: "Was just reading this great article (below) about what it is like to disappear into the wilderness and reappear to a completely changed world. "
Yeah. It was kind of that way when I came out of the woods on 9/16 after a two-week backpacking trip in the Ashley Wilderness, east of Salt Lake. Completely missed 9/11. It took a while to piece together what had happened on our drive back into Salt Lake. Strangely, the few people we did meet coming out of the woods, failed to mention the event ... I guess it was "old news" by then.

Caught a plane back home to Dallas the next day ... the plane loaded with pilots that got stranded in Salt Lake with all of the plane groundings.

A month after 9/11 I was on a plane again, headed to LaGuardia. I couldn't believe that they were flying an approach that went RIGHT OVER ground zero! I had intentionally made my hotel reservation for south Manhattan (China Town in fact) to get out of the hubbub of the Time Square area. After checking in, I discovered that access to the far south of Manhattan was prohibited south of Canal Street, which I was immediately adjacent to. However, that restriction was lifted in a day or two, so I made my way down to Ground Zero. Of course, the smell of the event could be easily detected all over southern Manhattan, but when I got to Ground Zero, the ruins were still smoldering and all of the surround area was covered with 4-6 inches of "dust."

I'll never forget the smell nor the visual images of that trip. I do remember thinking at the time that this was like living an episode of "The Twilight Zone."

dd
 
nofish
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03/23/2020 08:03AM
Birdknowsbest: "I think one good thing to come of this, is how many people can really work from home. Hopefully businesses realize this as it would lead to a lot less people on the roads, less pollution and more people spending time with their families. "

I was thinking about this as well but more from the business side. I know for my own company we started planning and prepping for everyone to work from home even before things got bad in Italy. In the last month or so we've made big strides in our technology and corporate mindset that should allow people more flexibility to work from home in the future and we'll be a better company because of it.

Then I look at companies like where my sister works. Its a large well known company everyone here has heard of. They typically do not allow people to work from home. They resisted allowing people to work remotely even after schools were closed. Finally they gave people the option to work remotely but left it up the individual managers and many managers have not let their staff work remotely. They are putting people at risk because they refuse to adapt and modernize how their office functions. I think in the end they'll suffer because of it. Talking to my sister about the situation there it sounds like the company has burned any good will they had with many of their employees and many are now seeing that they aren't as valued as they thought. The rumblings she has heard while talking to people is that many may consider their options when this is all over so they may lose good employees because of their unwillingness to allow working from home.

I think when this all blows over some companies will come out of it stronger and more agile while others really struggle to get with the times.
 
03/25/2020 02:13AM
Grandma L: "luft: "Grizzlyman: "So if they close it, and you go anyway. Who’s going to stop you?"
I was wondering the same thing. Much like when all the National Parks closed and people were still visiting them."

Luft, You can self-quarantine in the tree house any time - no permit needed. I will be up there next week and put in the cot, mattress, table and all. No permit needed. Just call ahead so I turn on the power and water. That is, if they let you leave the city. "



Awww! That is such a nice offer. I'd self quarantine in the Cuckoo's Nest any day.

You forgot to add the port-a-potty and space heater though :-)
 
inspector13
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03/25/2020 05:49AM

Cook County MN is now asking visitors and cabin owners to stay away due to limited health care infrastructure.

Travel Advisory

 
Bushpilot
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03/25/2020 06:03AM
inspector13: "Cook County MN is now asking visitors and cabin owners to stay away due to limited health care infrastructure.

Travel Advisory "

I can understand and respect that. One hospital in the county and no ICU. Many elderly citizens.
 
thegildedgopher
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03/25/2020 07:16AM
Yeah, as much as I'd like to escape to the north right now we need to think of the people who make the north their home. As of right now my outfitter/lodge is closed and I don't blame them. Whenever they do open they are gonna need our support so I truly hope this "biting the hand that feeds them" narrative is not pervasive. How selfish can people get?

I'm still holding out a wedge of hope that things will be different 2 months from now, but the wedge is getting thin. I have a September trip on the books as well, so maybe I'll need to start using that as my "light at the end of the tunnel."
 
nofish
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03/25/2020 07:55AM
thegildedgopher: "

I'm still holding out a wedge of hope that things will be different 2 months from now, but the wedge is getting thin. "


I have a slim margin of hope but its also getting thin. If we want things to be better in 2 months the government will need to be willing and ready to make the hard decision to shut things down right now. Unfortunately the word coming from the Feds is the exact opposite and that they want things opened back up in just a couple weeks.

Even if they shut things down right now and order shelter in place it would need to last 5-6 weeks for it to work. The majority of the people that currently have the virus would be through the contagious period in 2 weeks, those family members that get the virus from people that currently have it would be through it in the following 2 weeks, and then you'd have an additional week or 2 for any lingering infections to run their course. After that time life could start getting back to normal. This is what worked in China and other places and as hard as it is its likely the least damaging course of action. Without it the virus could continue in the US for months and months, it would overwhelm the hospital system and likely keep business close for a lot longer the 5-6 weeks. If that happens I think closing the BWCA would be the least of our concerns.
 
missmolly
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03/25/2020 08:12AM
Bushpilot: "inspector13: "Cook County MN is now asking visitors and cabin owners to stay away due to limited health care infrastructure.

Travel Advisory "

I can understand and respect that. One hospital in the county and no ICU. Many elderly citizens. "


It's become a point of contention here in Maine with the summer people from NYC and Boston coming early to escape the plague and many Mainers wanting them to stay away. I welcome them because they're taxpayers and fellow Americans, but I'm hoping they come with weeks of supplies so that they can self-quarantine for two weeks.
 
missmolly
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03/25/2020 08:15AM
nofish, as always, I enjoy reading your posts.
 
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03/25/2020 01:29PM
missmolly,
My brother is experiencing the same situation where he lives in Friday Harbor in the San Juan Islands WA. All the summer residents are coming to escape Seattle and other areas but the medical infrastructure and supply chain can't accommodate this influx early in the season. In my completely uneducated opinion the shelter in place order needs to be extended to most of the nation to allow the medical systems to have a chance to handle the peak without experiencing a major second wave. Easy for me to say as at this point I am still employed as I can work from home.
 
inspector13
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03/26/2020 06:03AM

St Louis County has followed Cook County in asking visitors and cabin owners to stay away for now.
DNT story

 
Portage99
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03/28/2020 02:41PM
dentondoc: "scotttimm: "Was just reading this great article (below) about what it is like to disappear into the wilderness and reappear to a completely changed world. "
Yeah. It was kind of that way when I came out of the woods on 9/16 after a two-week backpacking trip in the Ashley Wilderness, east of Salt Lake. Completely missed 9/11. It took a while to piece together what had happened on our drive back into Salt Lake. Strangely, the few people we did meet coming out of the woods, failed to mention the event ... I guess it was "old news" by then.


Caught a plane back home to Dallas the next day ... the plane loaded with pilots that got stranded in Salt Lake with all of the plane groundings.


A month after 9/11 I was on a plane again, headed to LaGuardia. I couldn't believe that they were flying an approach that went RIGHT OVER ground zero! I had intentionally made my hotel reservation for south Manhattan (China Town in fact) to get out of the hubbub of the Time Square area. After checking in, I discovered that access to the far south of Manhattan was prohibited south of Canal Street, which I was immediately adjacent to. However, that restriction was lifted in a day or two, so I made my way down to Ground Zero. Of course, the smell of the event could be easily detected all over southern Manhattan, but when I got to Ground Zero, the ruins were still smoldering and all of the surround area was covered with 4-6 inches of "dust."


I'll never forget the smell nor the visual images of that trip. I do remember thinking at the time that this was like living an episode of "The Twilight Zone."


dd"


WOW!! What an experience. I appreciate you sharing that experience. I teach senior college students (who are understandably shaken and stressed about their future. We have converted to all online instruction. I was telling my group this week about all the historical trauma that populations have been through and survived. I was sharing how everyone felt after 911. And, we eventually healed.
 
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