BWCA used to be almost exclusively Duluth Packs. When I see anyone on the forum talking about packs - it is most often something I never heard of.

Starting out five years ago that's all I had. I've been making the switch recently and just bought a few nice Granite Gear packs from a member here, but I will still use a #3 Duluth pack my Grandpa gave me, just to have it along.

Newer packs are more comfortable, but Duluth packs smell better so its a tie.

I still use them. A #2 as a "kitchen" pack and #4 for personal and community gear. Duluth packs just "fit" and look right in my wood canvas canoes.

I use all Duluth Packs...exclusively...they are 30+ years old and still going strong.

my duluth food pack has made about 25 trips to the q

When we started building our inventory years ago, we began with a couple of Duluth packs and other cheaper alternatives. We have been adding Duluth packs to our inventory over the years. With the exception of our blue barrel, this year for our trip we will have all Duluth packs. We are sort of traditionalists and just like the looks and feel of the olive drab canvas. Our Paul Bunyun will be making it's maiden voyage this June.

Mine usually sit at home. The leather straps are a deal breaker for me.

Still have and use a Northwoods, #4 and Wanderer. Recently bought a CCS Pioneer to replace a Timber Cruiser.

I really love looking at them, but when I tested at home I fell in love with features found elsewhere - padded back, straps, etc.

I'll collect one some day, but probably use it for things where those features don't matter.

I've got one that I picked up a garage sale 20 years ago, putting it in the 30-40 year old range, maybe older. I believe I paid $5 for what the woman called "her husband's old army bag".

Sure, it's still a great pack.

After I decided to renew all of my camping gear there was the opportunity to go with Duluth packs as the pack of choice on canoe trips. I looked at the feature/benefits of the newer pack styles and the DP's and ended up settling on the newer styles in the form of a GG Quetico Solo and a 60L blue barrel. I had a difficult time with features of the DP's that are, what I consider, improved on the new packs. Items like hip belts, padded straps, load lifters, etc. The look and feel of the DP cannot be beat but the fit and function of the new packs are what I like now...

nope

I never have owned anything by Duluth Pack. I was in their store a month ago a looked at packs. They look cool but I can't get past the prices - way too high for me.

Yes, I will not use any other.

When I compared quality, features, overall comfort and price, Duluth Pack never made the cut. Nearly the only thing I hear from Duluth Pack owners is their packs last a long time.

I have no doubt that Duluth Packs are fine quality, but if the pack doesn't have the features and overall comfort that I'm looking for, I want the darn thing to wear out in a hurry. And to think they're priced at least $50 more than packs that I view as better buys.

Thank you, Dan Cooke and CCS. (Just another happy customer.)

We started with Duluth Packs but since discovered CCS packs and never looked back. I still keep them around for when we need extras. They got some use last year when I took a friend and his boys in for a trip.

quote mc2mens: " They look cool but I can't get past the prices - way too high for me. "

That's because you're paying an American worker a living wage.

Two things about Duluth Packs and the company. They are still made exclusively in the USA and they are staying with tradition. While most other packs (except Frost River and CCS) are made overseas and/or made with synthetics, Duluth Packs are made the same way as they always have been.

Tom

I believe Kondos are made in Ely and Granite Gear in Two Harbors... Am I right? I'm going to be getting the CCS Pioneer pack next after seeing the quallity in my CCS Lean. Sure you pay up the nose, but you do that when quality matters. I started out with duluth Packs and they served me well as did my aluminum canoes. Times change and DP should have too.

Battle Lake packs are also made in the U.S.A.

Also Sealine packs

and Filson (though no canoe specific product)

I'm sure there are others as well.

CCS and Granite Gear only.

quote nctry: "I believe Kondos are made in Ely and Granite Gear in Two Harbors... Am I right? I'm going to be getting the CCS Pioneer pack next after seeing the quallity in my CCS Lean. Sure you pay up the nose, but you do that when quality matters. I started out with duluth Packs and they served me well as did my aluminum canoes. Times change and DP should have too."

Ganite Gear is made in Asia. Repairs are made in Two Harbors.

quote RaisedByBears99: "

quote nctry: "I believe Kondos are made in Ely and Granite Gear in Two Harbors... Am I right? I'm going to be getting the CCS Pioneer pack next after seeing the quallity in my CCS Lean. Sure you pay up the nose, but you do that when quality matters. I started out with duluth Packs and they served me well as did my aluminum canoes. Times change and DP should have too."

Ganite Gear is made in Asia. Repairs are made in Two Harbors."

My Granite gear pack says "Made in U.S.A." on it.

And according to the REI website it is made in USA

http://www.rei.com/product/722914/granite-gear-quetico-canoe-portage-pack-regular

Has something changed recently?

I believe that their "traditional" packs are imported.

I do. Have for years.

The Duluth pack(s) work perfectly well & are obviously is still going strong. (Not that I don't waste money on other things.) To me, buying another pack to replace one that works perfectly fine is money I'd rather spend elsewhere.

Maybe they aren't the best thing going anymore??? But, they've sure helped me have alot of fun over the years. And, God willing, that will continue for many more.



Recently I even added some permanent extra weight to them. :)

The REI www is wrong. I had an old GG pack I sent back to GG for repair about 5 years ago and had a nice chat with a repair person in Two Harbors about it. I discovered 3 things.
1- GG service was great, repaired at no cost.
2- GG changed form from using 1000D Cordura to 210(?) because it was cheaper to do so. The "new material" was less durable, easier to wear holes.
3- GG packs are made overseas. The old GG packs label said "Granite Gear Made in The USA". The new label just says "Granite Gear" because they cant label it that way anymore.

You will not find a "Made in the USA" label anywhere on anything NOT made in the USA, against the law.

I am with UncleMoose, after I discovered CCS my Duluth Packs get lent out to the newbies. Like the last player picked on the team in a pickup baseball game.

CB

quote Jackfish: "When I compared quality, features, overall comfort and price, Duluth Pack never made the cut. Nearly the only thing I hear from Duluth Pack owners is their packs last a long time.

I have no doubt that Duluth Packs are fine quality, but if the pack doesn't have the features and overall comfort that I'm looking for, I want the darn thing to wear out in a hurry. And to think they're priced at least $50 more than packs that I view as better buys.

Thank you, Dan Cooke and CCS. (Just another happy customer.)"

CCS is THE pack.. period!

Duluth packer here. I bought a #4 in the early '80's and a #4 deluxe with padded shoulder straps and padded hip belt about 8 or so years ago. They work for me and I'm too cheap to replace anything if I don't really need to. Heck, I'm still using the old 80 lb aluminum canoe although the boy carries it now. On our trips we generally do 1/2 to 3/4 of our portages in one trip. He carries the canoe and deluxe #4 and I carry the other #4, day pack and paddles.

I have been using them since 1999. Every year since my first trip. I like them and find them to fit comfortable and do the job they were made to do, carry heavy loads. I don't know of many packs that are the size of the Paul Bunyan pack.

This is an on-going thread on here. You either use them or don't. The ones who don't always seem to tell you all the reasons not to use them, and instead use another line that is talked about on here. Even Moderators will push one brand over the other.

My advice to all, is to figure out what you want to spend, how much you're going to carry, and try different packs to meet your needs. No reason to "dog on" other packs you don't like...

quote Drab: "

quote RaisedByBears99: "

quote nctry: "I believe Kondos are made in Ely and Granite Gear in Two Harbors... Am I right? I'm going to be getting the CCS Pioneer pack next after seeing the quallity in my CCS Lean. Sure you pay up the nose, but you do that when quality matters. I started out with duluth Packs and they served me well as did my aluminum canoes. Times change and DP should have too."

Ganite Gear is made in Asia. Repairs are made in Two Harbors."

My Granite gear pack says "Made in U.S.A." on it

And according to the REI website it is made in USA

http://www.rei.com/product/722914/granite-gear-quetico-canoe-portage-pack-regular

Has something changed recently?

I believe that their "traditional" packs are imported. "

Layed off all their sew-ers, quite a few years ago. Last time I bought thread they told me they only do repairs and prototypes in Two Harbors. I was told, by former employees the sewing is now done in the far east.

when I go with Ouluridgerunner he still brings his Duluth Pack and a food pack I believe to be a Duluth pack. I also picked up an older model Duluth pack at a garage sale for a 5er!

quote RaisedByBears99: "

quote Drab: "

quote RaisedByBears99: "

quote nctry: "I believe Kondos are made in Ely and Granite Gear in Two Harbors... Am I right? I'm going to be getting the CCS Pioneer pack next after seeing the quallity in my CCS Lean. Sure you pay up the nose, but you do that when quality matters. I started out with duluth Packs and they served me well as did my aluminum canoes. Times change and DP should have too."

Ganite Gear is made in Asia. Repairs are made in Two Harbors."

My Granite gear pack says "Made in U.S.A." on it

And according to the REI website it is made in USA

http://www.rei.com/product/722914/granite-gear-quetico-canoe-portage-pack-regular

Has something changed recently?

I believe that their "traditional" packs are imported. "

Layed off all their sewers, quite a few years ago. Last time I bought thread they told me they only do repairs and prototypes in Two Harbors. I was told, by former employees the sewing is now done in the far east."

I have been told the same thing by the people manning their (Granite Gears)booth at a MWM expo a few years ago.

Love my Duluth Pack.I have Granite Gear and Kondos, but my first love is my Duluth Pack.

quote TriTodd: "I have been using them since 1999. Every year since my first trip. I like them and find them to fit comfortable and do the job they were made to do, carry heavy loads. I don't know of many packs that are the size of the Paul Bunyan pack.

This is an on-going thread on here. You either use them or don't. The ones who don't always seem to tell you all the reasons not to use them, and instead use another line that is talked about on here. Even Moderators will push one brand over the other.

My advice to all, is to figure out what you want to spend, how much you're going to carry, and try different packs to meet your needs. No reason to "dog on" other packs you don't like..."

i dont think anyone is "dogging" on duluth packs. they are just stating what they dont like about them and saying what they chose instead.

quote kanoes: "

quote TriTodd: "I have been using them since 1999. Every year since my first trip. I like them and find them to fit comfortable and do the job they were made to do, carry heavy loads. I don't know of many packs that are the size of the Paul Bunyan pack.

This is an on-going thread on here. You either use them or don't. The ones who don't always seem to tell you all the reasons not to use them, and instead use another line that is talked about on here. Even Moderators will push one brand over the other.

My advice to all, is to figure out what you want to spend, how much you're going to carry, and try different packs to meet your needs. No reason to "dog on" other packs you don't like..."

i dont think anyone is "dogging" on duluth packs. they are just stating what they dont like about them and saying what they chose instead."

Not trying to start an argument here. But, I think what he may be referring to is, at the very least, inconsistent statements that have been made?

If you take what Jackfish says on this post only. A person (who likes/uses Duluth Pack) may not like to hear it? In the end you have to say he's just voicing his opinion on his experiences with the product. But when you couple that statement with the one he recently made in this thread. Is where it gets perplexing. Perhaps he misspoke? But, if not? It becomes obvious that he's never actually tried a Duluth pack. Or at the very least, not used it properly with a tumpline. So how can a person say a pack, "doesn't make the cut", or "have the overall comfort I'm looking for." When he has, by his own admission, never used a Duluth pack properly.

It's one thing to have in the field experience with a product & say what you don't like about it & why it doesn't work for you. But, to just go ahead and say it's not a good product without ever using it properly? Qualifies as "dogging on" in my book.

BTW... Just for the record. I have nothing personal against Jackfish, nor necessarily against anyone who doesn't like Duluth Pack or, for that matter, any product. But, IMHO I think it is a disservice to us all when someone "dogs on" (or even brags up) a product without having first hand knowledge.

Once again I want to reiterate that I'm not trying to start an argument. I do respect Jackfish. And, heaven knows I have made my share of mis-keystrokes on this site. I guess this just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back. This type of thing seems to be especially prevalent in the gear forum. Where, it seems, there are always strong, unbending opinions.

Like I said earlier, I'm all for a person voiceing their opinions on any product (positive or negative) as long as they have used the product as intended. Not just throwing comments out there when a person has no actual experience with the product. I think everyone would like to be able to base their decisions on factual opinions from people who have actually properly tried said product? Or am I wrong? If so I apologize.

quote TriTodd: "Even Moderators will push one brand over the other.

Todd, you might remember that you and I disagreed on a similar topic a year or so ago and I backed off.

As soon as Adam says I can't offer an experienced opinion on this or similar topics, I'll stop offering them. But, I doubt anyone here thinks my opinion is worth more than anyone else's simply because I'm a moderator.

Well I have a ton of experiance with Duluth Packs... I am using other packs for the same reason I paddle a kevlar canoe. Kondo's packs are more comfortable with similar quality. Now CCS... There is no comparison, the workmanship and service is outstanding. My favorite Duluth packs had to be repaired often and it cost good money. I know the latest oops was operator error. But not always... I had eight DP's at one time. I think I have six now. I use one for my bulk pack. It's pretty light and I throw it on top my Kondo's. I use the DP to hang my food if I feel I need to. At MWM I plan to buy one or two CCS packs. That said, I think it's cool people still use the old DP's.

i have three duluth packs. the food pack i use with a cardboard box liner inside plastic. i can't imagine using anything else.

Still have two and one old Superior Pack.

quote tumblehome: "

quote mc2mens: " They look cool but I can't get past the prices - way too high for me. "

That's because you're paying an American worker a living wage.

Two things about Duluth Packs and the company. They are still made exclusively in the USA and they are staying with tradition. While most other packs (except Frost River and CCS) are made overseas and/or made with synthetics, Duluth Packs are made the same way as they always have been.

Tom"

Right on Tom

quote TuscaroraBorealis: "

quote kanoes: "

quote TriTodd: "I have been using them since 1999. Every year since my first trip. I like them and find them to fit comfortable and do the job they were made to do, carry heavy loads. I don't know of many packs that are the size of the Paul Bunyan pack.

This is an on-going thread on here. You either use them or don't. The ones who don't always seem to tell you all the reasons not to use them, and instead use another line that is talked about on here. Even Moderators will push one brand over the other.

My advice to all, is to figure out what you want to spend, how much you're going to carry, and try different packs to meet your needs. No reason to "dog on" other packs you don't like..."

i dont think anyone is "dogging" on duluth packs. they are just stating what they dont like about them and saying what they chose instead."

Not trying to start an argument here. But, I think what he may be referring to is, at the very least, inconsistent statements that have been made?

If you take what Jackfish says on this post only. A person (who likes/uses Duluth Pack) may not like to hear it? In the end you have to say he's just voicing his opinion on his experiences with the product. But when you couple that statement with the one he recently made in this thread. Is where it gets perplexing. Perhaps he misspoke? But, if not? It becomes obvious that he's never actually tried a Duluth pack. Or at the very least, not used it properly with a tumpline. So how can a person say a pack, "doesn't make the cut", or "have the overall comfort I'm looking for." When he has, by his own admission, never used a Duluth pack properly.

It's one thing to have in the field experience with a product & say what you don't like about it & why it doesn't work for you. But, to just go ahead and say it's not a good product without ever using it properly? Qualifies as "dogging on" in my book.

BTW... Just for the record. I have nothing personal against Jackfish, nor necessarily against anyone who doesn't like Duluth Pack or, for that matter, any product. But, IMHO I think it is a disservice to us all when someone "dogs on" (or even brags up) a product without having first hand knowledge.

Once again I want to reiterate that I'm not trying to start an argument. I do respect Jackfish. And, heaven knows I have made my share of mis-keystrokes on this site. I guess this just happened to be the straw that broke the camels back. This type of thing seems to be especially prevalent in the gear forum. Where, it seems, there are always strong, unbending opinions.

Like I said earlier, I'm all for a person voiceing their opinions on any product (positive or negative) as long as they have used the product as intended. Not just throwing comments out there when a person has no actual experience with the product. I think everyone would like to be able to base their decisions on factual opinions from people who have actually properly tried said product? Or am I wrong? If so I apologize. "

wow...i dont think my entire post history equals that many words! :)

I use Quetico-Superior packs. They have waterproof bottoms, waist belt, a map case on the cover and nylon sewn/riveted straps with padding. They are great. Don't think the company is around anymore. The waist belts have always been too big, but I can't find anything smaller to replace them with.

quote Cedarboy: "The REI www is wrong. I had an old GG pack I sent back to GG for repair about 5 years ago and had a nice chat with a repair person in Two Harbors about it. I discovered 3 things.
1- GG service was great, repaired at no cost.
2- GG changed form from using 1000D Cordura to 210(?) because it was cheaper to do so. The "new material" was less durable, easier to wear holes.
3- GG packs are made overseas. The old GG packs label said "Granite Gear Made in The USA". The new label just says "Granite Gear" because they cant label it that way anymore.

You will not find a "Made in the USA" label anywhere on anything NOT made in the USA, against the law.

I am with UncleMoose, after I discovered CCS my Duluth Packs get lent out to the newbies. Like the last player picked on the team in a pickup baseball game.

CB"

Well that is good to know. Looks like REI needs to get with the times on their site. I guess I am glad that I was able to pick up an old Made in U.S.A. one.

I guess I've never tried anything else, and with Duluth Packs penchant for outliving their owners - I'm not likely to. I have way too many Duluth Packs.

I wouldn't mind trying something else, but I'd have a hard time justifying it. With all their flaws, DPs are still the standard by which others are measured.

Duluth Packs have a huge cool factor going for them, but that is about the only reason I can think of choosing them over CCS or Kondo's. I own and have used Frost river packs. Simply no comparison to the modern packs.

For what it is worth when comparing Frost River and Duluth Packs side by side it appears the Frost River is better made? I have not tested this theory but just looking at the stitching and the quality of the leather used, the Frost River seems to be of hight quality. The leather FP uses is not a high quality bridle leather. Pick up a FIlson bag or pack and see the difference in the leather.

I kinda think DP is living on a reputation and they have a large following that use them out of tradition and loyality to the product. That is not a bad thing for a company to have going for them! Love the look, but I will continue to use my CCS stuff.

2 #4's + 1 daypack.

Wow TB... can you tell me how you deduced from my post above (and the one you linked) that I have never used a Duluth-brand Pack? The link you shared goes back to the tumpline thread in which I said I had never used a tumpline. I said nothing about never using a Duluth Pack.

I have been a gear junkie for as long as I can remember. I'm also in sales which (I believe) can make me a tougher sell because I look at the features and benefits of a product - ANY product - a little deeper than the color or the tradition.

I went years without owning a canoe pack. Tried a lot of different ones, including Duluth Packs. I'm sorry, but I don't remember the models. When I made the decision to buy a canoe pack, price was 3rd or 4th in the line of importance. I'm a firm believer that one gets what one pays for.

However, what I found was not all canoe packs are made alike. The one's I bought were well-made, had multiple grab loops for ease of handling, had a pocket in the top flap for storing smaller and/or important gear items, had straps down the side with pockets at the bottom which were perfect for the Sven Saw or other flat gear items and the shoulder harness and waist belts were sturdy and comfortable. There is even a safety whistle on one of the shoulder straps. The fact that the packs were made by a smaller company in Minnesota also appealed to me greatly.

Those features aren't on many packs, including the brand that is the topic of this thread. They were important to me in choosing the best value and this is an "opinion-type" thread. Therefore, I shared my opinion, just like the rest of the people in the thread.

I choose my tents that way, my stoves, my sleeping bags and many other gear items that way. Decide which features I like, figure price into the equation and make a purchase.

I'm not sure what prompted you to think I didn't have first-hand knowledge of Duluth Pack and how you (perhaps) question your respect for me, but if I unknowingly crossed a line, I'd like to know which line it was.

quote Jackfish: "Wow TB... can you tell me how you deduced from my post above (and the one you linked) that I have never used a Duluth-brand Pack? The link you shared goes back to the tumpline thread in which I said I had never used a tumpline. I said nothing about never using a Duluth Pack."

My point was this. If a person has not used a Duluth Pack properly USING a tumpline (an integral part of such a pack). How can a person say it's uncomfortable? Or make a fair, or really any accurate, judgement about the product as a whole when they admit they never used it properly. Seems pretty straight forward to me?

Of course this is just my opinion. I'm not a salesman for Duluth pack or trying to convince anyone to buy them or any other item they feel is inferior. In fact, my point is NOT at all about one pack being better than any other. But, I've seen a lot of instances in the gear forum where people weigh in on a given product only to find out later that they never even tried it, or in your case, didn't use it properly. So someone reading said post gets a false sense of what that product might offer bad or good. I guess I just used you as an example because it was very easy to prove that point in this instance?

Look at it this way. If a person claims a vehicle is no good in the snow. Then we come to find out they never even engaged the 4 wheel drive before making that conclusion.......

As I alluded to earlier, I guess this was just the straw the broke the camels back for me. More of a problem with the overall system (tendancies of people) than you as an individual. I'm sorry to have questioned your integrity. And it truly is nothing personal.

We still use one. We use three packs, and one of them is a very old Duluth pack that we bought used in 1973. Don't suppose we will change now.

quote whiteh20: For what it is worth when comparing Frost River and Duluth Packs side by side it appears the Frost River is better made? I have not tested this theory but just looking at the stitching and the quality of the leather used, the Frost River seems to be of hight quality. "

I've recently fallen in love with Frost River packs. The quality and workmanship of their packs is unsurpassed. I think one reason they haven't been more recognized is due to poor marketing. They have an excellent product that not enough people know about.

Frost River was started by ex-Duluth Pack employees that left the company, some not by their choosing, when DP was sold back in the 90's to a new owner. You will see many DP features in Frost River Packs.

But to be fair, I own DP, Frost River, and Granite Gear (made in USA version). I love them all.

Tom

I posted above, but an addition here. "Duluth Pack" is a very generic term. I see many people referencing "leather" or "uncomfortable" straps. My packs are 25 years old and made by John Sulzbach, who started off making tack for horses. His packs have fabulously padded leather shoulder straps that are more comfortable and durable than any nylon padded straps I've used in 30 years of canoeing or backpacking. I think the company, Quetico-Surperior, is no longer around. A shame.
"Duluth Pack" is just the term for an open bag pack with straps and no suspension system, internal or external. They can be very different (envelope or square/rectangle, canvas or nylon, leather corners or nothing, waterproof liner or not, etc.). Many folks have formed opinions having used only the simple, stripped down packs.

quote whiteh20: "Duluth Packs have a huge cool factor going for them, but that is about the only reason I can think of choosing them over CCS or Kondo's. I own and have used Frost river packs. Simply no comparison to the modern packs.

For what it is worth when comparing Frost River and Duluth Packs side by side it appears the Frost River is better made? I have not tested this theory but just looking at the stitching and the quality of the leather used, the Frost River seems to be of hight quality. The leather FP uses is not a high quality bridle leather. Pick up a FIlson bag or pack and see the difference in the leather.

I kinda think DP is living on a reputation and they have a large following that use them out of tradition and loyality to the product. That is not a bad thing for a company to have going for them! Love the look, but I will continue to use my CCS stuff. "

Regarding leather: I have inherited a number of #3 DPs, all made prior to 1958. These were all outfitter packs and have plenty of patches, but the shoulder straps are harness leather. Unbelievable! 1/4 inch thick. I keep the leather well oiled and I'm sure it will outlast much newer packs.

what I find interesting is that everyone always compares their pack to a Duluth, there is a reason for that, it set the standard by which all others are measured.

Everybody has slightly different needs, therefore, there is no perfect pack for everyone

I have gone on many trips with people who use different packs and they all proclaim them better than a Duluth (why else would have they obtained it rather than the Duluth?), but I have never been on a trip where someone said "hey this CCS (or whatever) is better than Granite Gear (or whatever) funny though, after the trip I am still glad I have my trusty old Duluth Packs, wouldn't trade them even up for anything I have seen on a trip

A man (or woman) just can't have too many packs....canoes....paddles....stoves.....axes.....saws....tents....tarps....the list goes on and on.

He who dies with the most toys wins.

As my bones have gotten older, I have found that my packs have gotten heavier, so for my canoe trips (with portages) I have switched from Traditional "Duluth" style packs to the hybrid style. Of course, I have no intention of getting rid of my older packs. I just use them for different types of camping. Tie em on top of the Jeep for desert trips out west, river trips with few or no portages, etc.

quote shsylvester:
"Duluth Pack" is just the term for an open bag pack with straps and no suspension system, internal or external.

Well, not really. Until "Duluth Pack" made a Duluth pack, there was no such name to identify an open pack. I've never called any pack a Duluth Pack unless it was one. I didn't know people do that. I suppose it's like calling a tissue a 'Klenex".


The Quetico Superior packs you mention were indeed very nice packs. The Canadain company that made them is out of business.

Tom

I think Poier invented the canoe pack? Later renamed Duluth pack because thats where they were made. Maybe someone will fill in the blanks for me.

Packs are no different than talking canoes IMO.

Aluminum was the "standard" in the 60s until someone came out with kevlar. Same "basic" shape just a diff material to build with.

Cotton was the "standard" until someone came out with Nylon. Same "basic" shape just diff material to build with.

No one says "Duluth packs" arent made to a high standard of quality or that they wont last along time. There are just new materials and design that have improved a good basic design.

We would use a suitcase and an old Lowe brand alum canoe as long as it allowed us to get out into the woods. I think we can ALL agree on that.

CB

Not meant to offend any Lowe owners!

quote Jackfish: "

quote TriTodd: "Even Moderators will push one brand over the other.

Todd, you might remember that you and I disagreed on a similar topic a year or so ago and I backed off.

As soon as Adam says I can't offer an experienced opinion on this or similar topics, I'll stop offering them. But, I doubt anyone here thinks my opinion is worth more than anyone else's simply because I'm a moderator."

No worries Pete. I wasn't targeting you. I made a general reply without going into specifics. Didn't mean to offend you if I did. Keep your posts coming...

The Quetico Superior packs you mention were indeed very nice packs. The Canadain company that made them is out of business.


Tom"

Could have been two different companies with very similar names. John Sulzbach, who owned and made Quetico-Superior packs, was a member of the church where I interned in the late 1980s. His company was in St. Paul.

Interesting thread and replies. I have and use Duluth Packs, duluth pack style 'Portage Packs', a blue barrel and sealline 115 dry bags. I like each of them for different reasons. Comfort while portaging, how easily they load and unload into a canoe, structure loaded with gear and half empty of gear while looking for an item… After reading this thread, I would like to try a CCS. While new gear is always nice, I play a lot of basketball and like to be humbled by someone who looks like a hack in beat up shoes and such and then puts me in my place for stereotyping them and takes me school. The same goes for gear, one does not need the newest or the best to enjoy themselves or catch their limit. Although given the choice anyone would choose to have quality/new stuff. There are many ways to load the dishwasher.

quote BigMac: "

quote tumblehome: "

quote mc2mens: " They look cool but I can't get past the prices - way too high for me. "

That's because you're paying an American worker a living wage.

Two things about Duluth Packs and the company. They are still made exclusively in the USA and they are staying with tradition. While most other packs (except Frost River and CCS) are made overseas and/or made with synthetics, Duluth Packs are made the same way as they always have been.

Tom"

Right on Tom"

I hear you, but there are cheaper USA made options (CCS/Kondos) that cost less, made with lighter, more durable fabrics and are more comfortable.

That said...isn't it great we have so many options to choose from? If you like a Duluth Pack brand of portage pack, then buy it and use it for as long as it does the job. If you like a China-made Granite Gear portage pack, then so be it. As long as it does the job and you're a happy camper, who cares?

I am reminded of BMaines recent thread. There a more important things to get concerned about than which brand of pack we all use.

John and his brother ran CLG enterprises out of the Twin Cities, down off Hiawathaa I believe. They made a extensive line of rodeo gear and sold some of their leather to Aarcee rental who was making Canoe Packs called Portage Pack. That line of Packs was purchased by CLG who made that model as well as the ones with the best leather straps I have seen in their Quetico Superior line of packs.
I used to use and repair Dulth brand packs as well as other brands of canvas and leather packs. I choose not to today.

quote Dan Cooke: "John and his brother ran CLG enterprises out of the Twin Cities, down off Hiawathaa I believe. They made a extensive line of rodeo gear and sold some of their leather to Aarcee rental who was making Canoe Packs called Portage Pack. That line of Packs was purchased by CLG who made that model as well as the ones with the best leather straps I have seen in their Quetico Superior line of packs.
I used to use and repair Dulth brand packs as well as other brands of canvas and leather packs. I choose not to today."

Hey Dan - I love your stuff. Keep up the good work old man.

quote Dan Cooke: "John and his brother ran CLG enterprises out of the Twin Cities, down off Hiawathaa I believe. They made a extensive line of rodeo gear and sold some of their leather to Aarcee rental who was making Canoe Packs called Portage Pack. That line of Packs was purchased by CLG who made that model as well as the ones with the best leather straps I have seen in their Quetico Superior line of packs.
I used to use and repair Dulth brand packs as well as other brands of canvas and leather packs. I choose not to today."

Thanks for the specifics, Dan. As another Lino Lakes resident I keep intending to stop by to see your shop and goods (I was last by in when I was in seminary in '88 to buy a pair of mucklucks when Lino Lakes felt like it was halfway to Duluth).

I rarely use my Duluth pack, becaue I have Frost River packs.

I still use Duluth packs. When I started doing canoe trips I knew I would like it. So, I bought the equipment I needed to upgrade from backpacking. I bought canvas Duluth Packs because the wildland fire hose packs we used back in the late 70s and early 80s were heavy canvas.

These were really tough packs and they got a huge amount of abuse. They had to carry approx. 55 to 60 lbs. of hose and brass. They were made at Inmate camps by the prisoners. If one got damaged you just sent it back for repairs and it was good to go. Then, canvas got expensive. The camps started to make the packs out of the new material like most backpacks are made of. These new packs would not last even a year.

The camps tried to repair them but couldn't keep up. We finally had to drop from 3 lengths of hose to 2. This new material just wasn't as tough as canvas. All my packs are still in good shape so I will continue to use them. However if I had to replace them I would consider other types of packs. The materials have improved quite a bit.

Yes I use them. I take two #3 packs, front portage pack and a kitchen food pack every trip. I pack them so the sharp shaped things are on the inside. That way they don't cut into my back. I use a pack liner so it is waterproof in the rain, not sure about a dump. I put one on my back then flip another one on top. I also use the tumpline on the top of my head. This takes most of the weight off my shoulders. I'm sure that there are other packs that would do the job, just like them too much to find out. If others like a different pack that a Duluth Pack, great.

I use a heavy duty #4, #3 cruiser combo, rambler, scout and when my wife went back to college I talked her into their school bag so I could use that too. I just love the ruggedness.

If I could afford it I would give it a go. One day I suppose.

quote Scout64: "I use Quetico-Superior packs. They have waterproof bottoms, waist belt, a map case on the cover and nylon sewn/riveted straps with padding. They are great. Don't think the company is around anymore. The waist belts have always been too big, but I can't find anything smaller to replace them with. "

I have one of these too. I wasn't familiar with CCS until reading these posts, but after reviewing their website, my "Quetico-Superior" brand pack looks pretty much like the same thing. Canvas duluth pack style with HD plastic buckles and fabric straps instead of leather and metal. We also use a waterproof pack.

I think a canvas pack, no matter the brand, is still a critical need. You can just cram so much stuff in them that would rip another type of pack. I wouldn't feel near as comfortable about putting my stove, camp saw, and hatchet in a water proof pack.

Oh ya, gotta say my gf picked up a sweet duluth pack sweatshirt at their store last fall just to keep it real.

quote hopalonghowie: "I use a heavy duty #4, #3 cruiser combo, rambler, scout and when my wife went back to college I talked her into their school bag so I could use that too. I just love the ruggedness."

You forgot to mention the canoe seat pack made by Duluth pack...

Duluth packs still rule. #4 and a food pack.

Very first trip to the B-Dub this weekend and I will be using my Grandpa's Duluth #3

Yes. As a nod to what is good and true and right. There is no shame in loving something that has become expendable-luckily for me. I'm not a "gear guy," but I do love "stuff" that matters to me.

I've gotta ask... is there anyone else out there on this forum that uses the Army duffel bags or am I the only one? I read all this talk about how good these other bags are. Maybe I'm missing out, but I have been completely satisfied with the Army duffel bags. They have served me very well over the years and cost a fraction of the price. To each their own I guess...

quote KcMcWrench: "Very first trip to the B-Dub this weekend and I will be using my Grandpa's Duluth #3"

Enjoy your trip!

Last weekend we had four Duluth packs and four GG packs. All the packs were within five pounds of each other. The Duluth packs were the first packs picked up every portage. Interesting...

quote KcMcWrench: "Very first trip to the B-Dub this weekend and I will be using my Grandpa's Duluth #3"

That's pretty cool!

quote RainGearRight: "Last weekend we had four Duluth packs and four GG packs. All the packs were within five pounds of each other. The Duluth packs were the first packs picked up every portage. Interesting...
"

I'm not surprised

I went on a trip with another guy who had GG pack, he was always grabbing my Duluth pack at portages yet he swore the GG was a better pack

:)

YEP, I got a new one for Christmas last year. I have a nice kelty that take also, however I REALLY love my DTH pack. I use my DTH pack as my food pack.

As I said earlier I use a GG Solo pack. This last trip I needed something a bit larger so I borrowed my sons DP - a Monarch 4. Now I know again why I'm not a huge DP fan. It was very heavy by itself and didn't fit very well. It held a ton of stuff but it never seemed balanced properly. The straps were a bear to get into and the top flap straps were way long. In all fairness I wasn't able to come close to filling that particular model so that could be a large part of the problem. Once I got it on it was fairly comfortable on the back so that's a plus. Next time I pack less and use the GG Solo again.

Wow. Quite a topic.

I was searching because It really hit me at the state fair that Duluth Pack has really jacked up their prices. I am a loyal Customer. My first Duluth Pack has been with me on every campout for 15 years. Love it. Got a couple utility packs and love those. Have 2 'synthetic' bags from other manufacturers, not a fan. Straps slide, plastic breaks suddenly and spectacularly. Neither 'synthetic' pack has gone a half dozen trips without failure of some kind. I also have a $15 Gander Mountain duffle bag that does quite well.i like what I like.

So what I want to know is... Is there some cause like higher labor, or material cost? Or are they just cashing in?

I personally would like to make my own someday.

ECpizza, what do you mean by "synthetic" bags? Naming the brands for comparison and gear review purposes is best. Any product that fails/breaks early in its life cycle is worth discussing.

The Duluth Packs sit on the shelf.

I love them like old friends. I carried them for lots of years and lots of miles but compared to my newer packs, they are too heavy, straps are not padded and they are just not comfortable.

And they are high priced.

I have a DP that a friend gave to me 30 years ago. It was old when I got it. It goes with on every base-camp trip and some touring trips. I love it for use with bulky, hard-to-fit-in a pack items. I keep my tarp and ropes on the top of it for easy quick access. I like it a lot, but don't know that I'd replace it with another one if/when this one pukes out.

After my first trip to the Boundary Waters back in ’94 I knew I wanted to keep coming back and I wanted to have my own gear, so I started buying gear little-by-little, on a budget. I now own a hodge-podge of packs.

First pack I bought was a Grade VI Avant, used from CBO - still have/use “Big Blue” and it has since made 7 Q trips and numerous local river outings. It's huge and sometimes holds too much. It is showing wear, however I’ve gotten my money’s worth.

Next came a BWJ/Kondos Guide Pack - love this little pack, use as day pack, it holds a lot. At the same time I bought 2 SealLine Pro Packs - I find these packs to be a little uncomfortable and they don’t hold much for their size, mostly pack soft items - bags and clothes - in them. No leaks yet, however I plan on phasing these packs out of use.

Then at a friend's advice I bought a CCS Guide Pack (and tarp) - love the quality. Pack handles well and fits comfortably. Will purchase additional gear from CCS when need arises.

After borrowing a friend’s DP Paul Bunyan and Wanderer packs, for a larger group trip, and reading some Cliff Jacobson’s books, I added a DP #3 to fill a need - use as a “kitchen” pack. I too believe they have a traditional look and feel to them that newer packs lack. I like the pack and the leather straps are fine for me. After tripping with a friend and seeing how he treats and handles his gear, these packs have to be tough as nails. I will also purchase more from Duluth Pack if they fit a need and are in the budget.

I would also consider using an Army duffle bag if it would fill a need. In fact, I’ve told others to use ‘em as a “starter” pack.

Next pack I buy will be the pack that best fits the need and the budget - simple as that.

This is a very interesting thread. I think it all comes down to what you’ve got/used, what your first experience with a canoe pack was, what your personal choice is and what your budget allows. Nobody is right and nobody is wrong. If it works for you and you are happy with it, how can anyone tell you you’re wrong!

Good trips everybody.

Started my annual BW trips in 2005 renting outfitter gear. So I used a variety of packs including Duluth, Kondos and GG. When I started buying my own gear I found CCS packs to be the best quality for the price. The advantages over the others I've used is very significant, and they're made in the USA.

Duluth Packs may seem a little pricey. We have acquired our own gear after many years of tripping, but with the exception of our blue barrel, all our packs are Duluth Packs. Our latest edition was a modified Paul Bunyan. It is a brute that is easy to carry when loaded properly. These packs will serve us for many more years and they will be handed down to my grandson when I finish my trips to the north country.

I have read this whole thread. (waiting on my wife). I do have an observation. It seems that none of the packs mentioned are waterproof. Our group has been coming up for several years. First year we had a capsize with one canoe. Temps were 50s and water cold. (mid May). None of the clothes or sleeping bags got wet as they were in dry bags. We insist that clothes, sleeping bags, and things that must stay dry go in dry bags. Some use sealine boundary bags. Others put dry bags in packs.

quote markaroberts: "We insist that clothes, sleeping bags, and things that must stay dry go in dry bags. Some use sealine boundary bags. Others put dry bags in packs. "

Waterproof pack liners work just as good.

quote markaroberts: "I have read this whole thread. (waiting on my wife). I do have an observation. It seems that none of the packs mentioned are waterproof. Our group has been coming up for several years. First year we had a capsize with one canoe. Temps were 50s and water cold. (mid May). None of the clothes or sleeping bags got wet as they were in dry bags. We insist that clothes, sleeping bags, and things that must stay dry go in dry bags. Some use sealine boundary bags. Others put dry bags in packs. "

I have ONLY used Sealline packs. I have had 2 failures with those packs. 1, I ripped off a strap. Sealline replace the entire 15 yr old pack with a new Sealline ProPack RS.

The second, I put a burn hole in it from it being way too close to the fire. It was easily patched, and now is used as my vittles vault or gear carrying pack. Those two packs don't have to be absolutely waterproof.

Later,

Geo

quote markaroberts: "I have red this whole thread. (waiting on my wife). I do have an observation. it seems that none of the packs mentioned are waterproof. Our group has been coming up for several years. First year we had a capsize with one canoe. Temps were 50s and water cold. (mid May). None of the clothes or sleeping bags got wet as they were in dry bags. We insist that clothes, sleeping bags, and things that must stay dry go in dry bags. Some use sealine boundary bags. Others put dry bags in packs. "

I still use my old Duluth Packs and Superior Pack (long gone out of business). We used the pack liners, but for things like the tent that are o.k. getting a little damp. Things that need to stay absolutely dry are in waterproof packs inside the Duluth packs; things like sleeping bags, clothes, etc. I have varied brands. I bought some new, lighter weight Sea to Summit ones at Stone Harbor last year that are REALLY nice. I sold two of my oldest DP's (not pictured) to someone on the board a few years back so betcha they are still in use too?

I use pack made by an outfit called Huntly Gardens. They are very well made and a lot cheaper than Duluth packs. You may also want to check out Loring pack baskets. They are virtually indestructible.

As someone who moved up to MN a handful of years ago, I am a bit late in discovering the BWCA. I have to say it takes a while to gear up. Buying the very best equipment from soup to nuts just isn't possible.

The first time I was taken to the BWCA, I was one of those “New Guys” who was given an old Duluth pack to carry. It worked fine and I didn’t know of anything else so I had no reference to compare. The bag itself has some heft to it, but you could tell it was bomb proof. I don’t have any strong bond to the brand so I can’t see spending the money for a new DP.

I was able to pick up a couple of #2 CCS packs off a youth camp that was selling them on craigslist. Even with a couple of squirrel holes in them they work fine and weigh at least half of what the DPs weigh. I only trip once a summer so DP longevity doesn’t mean as much to me.

I've also found Army bags at Fleet Farm for $10. They work great for preteen boys who can lift more than a school back pack but not a full size portage pack.

Last Xmas I was able to get a CCS Hybrid Pioneer pack and I’m in love. Feels much better on my back and lots of handy features. Everyone has different needs but this one meets all of mine.

My Xmas, bday, father’s day lists always say the same thing. More tripping gear please.

Amen about the taking time to "gear up".

With 'my' scouts, I had camp lists that had the "minimum requirement" and the "long term investment". Synthetic shirt is a minimum requirement for camping, a merino wool shirt is a long term investment. Raingear required, Gore Tex an investment. Etc.

I've canoed with people who use "dry bags" and everything is soaking wet. My old Duluth pack with a pack liner never a problem. If packed right (flap folded and tucked in the front) they float and will hold out water long enough to retreive them. I still wrap everything in one more bag to be sure, but I've never really needed to.

I still use Duluth Packs and I love em'. Unfortunately, they're too big and bulky for use in ANY of my solo canoes, but for use in my tandem canoes, they're great!

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Hans Solo

I've got a few, but may not use them anymore unless I get a large group going with me. My knees mandate that I get lighter, more expensive gear or stop tripping - those bastards.

I use my Frost River Lewis & Clark portage pack every time.

You betcha!

quote HansSolo: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it! "

Blasphemy!

I have two Kondos packs (#3 envelope and a food pack) which I love. Opted for these over actual Duluth because of the straps. Those leather ones are too hard on the shoulders.

Yep. Still use the "Duluth" style pack I made about 25 years ago. Seems to me there is a reason that simple design has been around a long time. Individual dry bags fit nicely and makes for quick loading and unloading from the canoe.

I also use some traditional internal frame backpacks for the smaller items.

If there wasn't a "Duluth" pack on a trip I'd feel like something was missing. ;)

we still use duluth packs, mostly. i like canvas, when you are carrying one pack on top of the other, as the voyageurs did, and sig olson, the canvas keeps the packs from slipping against each other as nylon does. i have no photos of this type of carry, to take a photo of someone doing this would be in poor taste. instead of taking a photo you should be assisting this poor creature.

here is a copy of a Francis Lee Jaques sketch in sig olson's the lonely land , this shows how to properly carry two packs on a portage.


with two nylon packs that top pack is going to be a bear to keep from slipping off. i find it is next to impossible. to carry two nylon packs you may have to resort to something like this image. this photo was from google images, if it is yours (it might be), i apologize, i did edit it.

and canvas just looks cooler.

I started with borrowing a friends Duluth pack. This spring I picked up a CCS Pioneer. I like the nostalgia of the Duluth packs but I really like the padded straps, padded waist belt, and the other features of the CCS.

quote jwartman59: "and canvas just looks cooler. "

That bow shot on the right would sure look nice as a background. Wow.

quote PompousPilot1: "

That bow shot on the right would sure look nice as a background. Wow."

duluth pack used this photo in their 2011 catalog. i'd have to go find it to be sure of the year.

Wow, beautiful pictures jwartman59!

The bow shot and the picture with the young gentlemen looking down the lake with the red canoe to his right are stunning!

Definitely taken on the East side of the Gunflint Trail.

Nicely done Sir!

Hans Solo

Looks like rose lake.

Love my Duluth Packs. I've got a #3, #4, and Rambler.

They are TOUGH, extremely waterproof with the pack liner system (I have had a pack in the rain all day, then fully immersed, and the contents were bone-dry)

If something goes wrong, Duluth Pack can repair them.

Nice canoe pics jwartman59. I have three Granite Gear Packs and two Kondos packs and they are nice packs, but in the wilderness I always grab my Duluth style packs by Frost River.

I think carrying oversized packs is asking for knee problems. I have those problems, and was never much of a runner. I did, however, engage in heavy backpacking and other cartlidge crushing/twisting activities. Guaging the size/weight of the pack to the individual is an often overlooked thing. I love my Frost River pack (I sold or gave away several and only have one left). But I will use it judiciously from here on out, packing it with bulky but light items mostly.

Absolutely. We use a #4 for any number of things. I have the slide on shoulder pads for mine.

Gary

quote wa0yle: "Absolutely. We use a #4 for any number of things. "

#4 Duluth Packs Rule! :-)

Hans Solo

I love my Duluth Packs! I have 7 of them of varying sizes. Most used are my Paul Bunyan as my equipment pack, #4 for personal gear with paddle buddy, and food packs. I have 3 - #3's that I purchased for my kids when they were younger. I don't use them very often. I would stick with the Paul Bunyan and #4's.

With the plastic liner in the bag they are waterproof. They are comfortable to carry. They lay in the boat easily.

Expensive, yes, but as we all know good gear cost money but it lasts almost forever if you take care of it. And, yes, Duluth Pack does have a life-time guarantee on their products. Used one of my #3's last summer for some gear and a strap broke. Sent it back to Duluth Pack and they repaired it for free.

I use my #3. It seems all packs are compared to Duluth's, albeit unfairly, giving the criticism. After all they are the standard in canoe packs. Many don't know what a wannigan is.

we actually used and carried a wanigan in boy scouts. our troop master was a sadist and compared all suffering to the experiences he had as a marine in WWII. it was a nice piece of gear that i had repressed all memories of.

Finally bit the bullet and got a Frost River Bushcraft pack along with a front portage pack, and then broke down and stopped by the store and got their padded seat cover with bag underneath. love them all and they really do look cool in a cone. I got the padded leather shoulder straps. I know it was a lot of money, but I am now at the point where when I buy new gear I am looking at quality for years of use. I figure these additions should out last me.

Still like my other packs but they aren't the quality that this one is.

FYI - did a 515 rod portage with the bushcraft and front portage packs. 70# total. Felt better than my trip across the same portage with my Merlin II .

I really like my Duluth Packs. However, the recent price increase was rather steep. I had been looking at a front portage pack which was about $115 or so, stopped to pick it up and they were $190. This was in about a year or so. I understand there are labor and material price increases, but this was rather steep.

Yep, I use one and LOVE it! Been BW tripping for going on 10 years and been through many bags. Started out with a seal bag. Did the job but wasn't the best on portaging or finding gear without dumping the thing. Bought 3 back pack versions of these and still was not satisfied. Decided to go Old school with the Duluth pack and would never consider going back. Still haven't found the 'perfect' bag for my camera to protect it yet allow me quick access but the rest of my gear is happy. I love the way my Duluth pack packs. It's easy and quick to pack and find stuff. I use the Monarch. Perfect size for me. (126lbs 5'6")

Yup still use Duluth packs. Not strictly,I use others as well.
They are the work force for me.

quote Sparetime: "I really like my Duluth Packs. However, the recent price increase was rather steep. I had been looking at a front portage pack which was about $115 or so, stopped to pick it up and they were $190. This was in about a year or so. I understand there are labor and material price increases, but this was rather steep. "

For the last several years, I have been patiently replacing my plastic equipment with natural materials, but I can't really justify replacing things that are still in good shape, so it's been a slow process. I have really wanted a Duluth Monarch or Northwoods for a long time, but less than two years ago, the Northwoods cost $205.00 USD; today, it is $360.00 USD. I understand price increases, I've managed businesses and owned them, but a 75% increase in less than two years? That's outrageous.

If you look around on the Internet, you will note that Duluth Pack's sales have been increasing through the recession. The only thing that I can possibly make of this is that like Filson, Duluth Pack has caught the eye of rich hipsters, and Duluth is cashing in on that fact. Here in Seattle, Filson bills itself explicitly as a luxury brand. This is bad news for those of us who simply want the sort of quality traditional gear that our grandparents took for granted.

What companies will be next? I expect now that Faribault has been taken over/rescued by Dairy Queen's CEO, they will pursue the luxury market, and their prices are reflective of that. $200 for a not-even-big enough wool blanket? $310 for a twin-size Hudson's Bay blanket that's 15% cotton?! I just bought a vintage queen size (might have actually been a king size that someone shrunk?) Kenwood 100% wool blanket at the local Goodwill for $15.00. It's salmon pink, but I guess I'll have to live with it. One thing's for sure, it's much thicker than the somewhat more affordable blankets sold by Pendleton.

Fortunately, this type of gear tends to outlast the plastic crap, but still, $405.00 for a waxed canvas Northwoods is a high barrier. Maybe I should just see if I can buy a used heavy duty sailmaker's sewing machine.

quote Sparetime: "I really like my Duluth Packs. However, the recent price increase was rather steep. I had been looking at a front portage pack which was about $115 or so, stopped to pick it up and they were $190. This was in about a year or so. I understand there are labor and material price increases, but this was rather steep. "

I thought you were joking about the $190.00 price for the front portage pack, Wow they raised the price. 5 years ago I bought mine for $85.00 at their store and they sewed the strap on at the factory for free. and lets talk about the camp kitchen pack. I bought mine for under $200.00 and now they are $490.00.

The same packs from Frost River are $310.00 for the Kitchen camp pack and $120.00 for the front portage pack. That is a savings of $190.00 over DP to go with the same packs from Frost River, Hmmmmm.

A Duluth Pack Northwoods costs $360.00. Add $45 for waxed canvas, $45 for padded straps, and $40 for 8 d-rings and now you're at $490.00, to buy a pack that is equivalent to a Frost River Grand Portage...which costs $260.00.

Yes.

Duluth Pack is one of my favorite stores....we stop there whenever we vacation that way. Many times I've drooled over those packs and they were out of my price range even before these large price increases. So, two years ago when I finally started doing more trips, I bought two CCS packs (3.5 and 4) on sale at Stone Harbor in Grand Marais, MN. I think I paid $190 total for both. They work great. It's funny how "dogmatic" we become about our gear choices, isn't it? Almost like Ford trucks v. Chevy, etc. 123 posts on one thread says it all!

quote gcvsa: "A Duluth Pack Northwoods costs $360.00. Add $45 for waxed canvas, $45 for padded straps, and $40 for 8 d-rings and now you're at $490.00, to buy a pack that is equivalent to a Frost River Grand Portage...which costs $260.00."

WOW, I'm darn near speachless! Never spent over one C-note for any of my Duluth Packs. Glad they last for decades!

I have used Duluth Packs for 30 years and plan to continue to use them until I die.

Leather straps holds up if they are taken care of.

I have used the same Duluth packs for almost 40 years. They still do the job as well as anything I've seen on the water. I do also own a Kondos and Granite Gear pack, but I will never give up my old friends.

Have a Granite Gear superior 1 and a #4 deluxe Duluth Pack. I prefer the Duluth Pack.

I will use mine until they or me wear out. Probably me. The older I get, the shorter the portages.

I've used (rented and borrowed) size 3 and 4 Duluth packs without the tumpline (so I do not qualify as an expert in their use but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night). I can tell you that a size 3 is not big enough for me and a size 4 fully loaded was too big. Having side/top pockets for easy access to things like a rainjacket would help. I've been looking at some of the packs from CCS online and plan to look at them at Canoecopia. Based on what I've read I will most likely get one from them based on (in order of my priorities): (1) locally made, (2) cost, (3) features and size. Duluth packs were nice and I'm sure if I bought one it would last me easily the rest of my life. For me the difference in cost and features is too much of a difference. I'm looking for a comfortable pack with the features I want to use for the next 10 years.

Absolutely we use them, I have an original #3, a heavy duty #3, and a #2. Portages just aren't long or hard enough for me to "upgrade" to a supposedly more comfortable pack. I'm in my early 30's, maybe my attitude will change when more stuff starts to hurt on my body : )

My packs are all older than me. For the same reason I prefer over under shotguns as opposed to semi autos, waxed canvas upland gear as opposed to newer cordura/nylon, old school hand made dog bells, etc.

It's hard to explain.

Sort of late to the party here but why not have both? I bought a Duluth #270 and CCS Canoeist 4 last year.

When I need to replace one, sure I'll look at a CCS. They look nice.
I'm not sure if that will happen in my lifetime though.

I do use a big Cabelas Boundary Waters II pack. It's cool that it's totally waterpoof an something like 7150 cu. in. I've had to have stuff fixed on it twice in 4 years already though. It's a matter of time before it gets a hole in it.

I also am late for this party but just to add my two cents anyway. All I can say is if all I had to choose from today was wood and canvas canoes, canvas tents and duluth packs, all the stuff I came up on, I very much doubt I'd still be tripping.

The difference between a DP#4 and a Kondos or CCS #4 is not even close to the same as the difference between Kevlar canoes vs. old ones, or heavy canvas tents vs. new stuff.

The day using a Duluth pack stops me from tripping, I'm probably already dead ; )

Wooden paddles, aluminum canoes, duluth packs, ponchos, old tennies for portaging, blackened cook pots.

Still got a couple of these things myself. Innovation is OK but there's nothing wrong with traditions that worked for years and still do if they feel good.

Are wood paddles antiquated too now ? Geez. I must really be behind the times.

I may as well be taking a horse and buggy to the entry point !

quote Grouseguy1: "The difference between a DP#4 and a Kondos or CCS #4 is not even close to the same as the difference between Kevlar canoes vs. old ones, or heavy canvas tents vs. new stuff.


The day using a Duluth pack stops me from tripping, I'm probably already dead ; ) "

Are Kondos still made?

quote Grouseguy1: "Are wood paddles antiquated too now ? Geez. I must really be behind the times.


I may as well be taking a horse and buggy to the entry point ! "

Oops...

Should have said "Straight shaft beaver-tail wooden paddles"...

I still have one...a beauty that I don't want to wreck so I don't take it on trips. Now I use a kayak paddle with a solo canoe. Yes some innovations are great!

quote Grouseguy1: "The difference between a DP#4 and a Kondos or CCS #4 is not even close to the same as the difference between Kevlar canoes vs. old ones, or heavy canvas tents vs. new stuff.


The day using a Duluth pack stops me from tripping, I'm probably already dead ; ) "

Well, that's for you and more power to ya. All I'm saying is I could never do it. When I go in for 3 or 4 weeks, my main pack starts out at 85+ lbs. I just couldn't manage that using a traditional Duluth pack. The Ostrom pack I use is an integral design that incorporates the traditional tump with a padded hip belt, shoulder cinch and padded shoulder straps. So, for me, it's not just a question of weight - because you're right, the difference between the Duluth and the Ostrom is marginal - but the whole design. I really believe that modern equipment has extended my ability to trip by 10, hopefully 15 years - I'm 64 now and I'd really like to be doing this well into my 70's (although I'm not sure how my wife is going to feel about that.)
But please understand, I'm not suggesting you or anyone should do anything besides what your'e doing if it works for you. That's why there's chocolate and vanilla.

Is the Dutch oven considered old school now to ? That was a staple when I first started tripping with a church group 20yrs ago. Times certainly have changed, even since the mid 90's

I noticed my thermarests are about 2x the pack size as the new ones. Time to upgrade those I guess.

The DP's are just too much to give up for me right now though : )

That being said, the new prices are atrocious. If i ever buy a brand new pack and want canvas, ill get a frost River. By the time I need one maybe weight will be more of a concern and I'll go CCS

There's no shortage of good deals on used DP's though, so who knows.

quote KerryG: "

quote Grouseguy1: "The difference between a DP#4 and a Kondos or CCS #4 is not even close to the same as the difference between Kevlar canoes vs. old ones, or heavy canvas tents vs. new stuff.



The day using a Duluth pack stops me from tripping, I'm probably already dead ; ) "

Well, that's for you and more power to ya. All I'm saying is I could never do it. When I go in for 3 or 4 weeks, my main pack starts out at 85+ lbs. I just couldn't manage that using a traditional Duluth pack. The Ostrom pack I use is an integral design that incorporates the traditional tump with a padded hip belt, shoulder cinch and padded shoulder straps. So, for me, it's not just a question of weight - because you're right, the difference between the Duluth and the Ostrom is marginal - but the whole design. I really believe that modern equipment has extended my ability to trip by 10, hopefully 15 years - I'm 64 now and I'd really like to be doing this well into my 70's (although I'm not sure how my wife is going to feel about that.)
But please understand, I'm not suggesting you or anyone should do anything besides what your'e doing if it works for you. That's why there's chocolate and vanilla."

Wow. I've got great respect for you getting it done at 64, especially for those time periods ! I've never been in longer than a week.....and nowadays I wouldn't be able to chew up that much vacation in the BWCA ....it would kill my time off for bird season!

Retirement is only 33 years away.....

I have a #3 and #4. Neither will likely wear out during my life time and portages shorter with longer layover time bordering on complete basecampjng now a days. Age and health concerns has changed my long trips into past tense until kids and grand kids can take up the heavy lifting. Not worth the money to replace a functioning pack no matter or if the new would be better. I wish I live long enough to wear either of them out with my annual trip to bwca/Q.

I've got my wooden beavertail too. Love it.

This is a prime example of what the interwebs call "necro-threading" , sorry mods : )

Still an interesting topic. After spending some time reading everyone's commentary on CCS packs via the magic "search" function ......I'll buy one of those next. I do have some kiddos who will need them soon. They look great, and I've never used one.

I'm only experienced with Kondos, DP, and the the cabelas offerings (not impressed) . Can't knock it before I try it!

quote Grouseguy1: "This is a prime example of what the interwebs call "necro-threading" , sorry mods : )


Still an interesting topic. After spending some time reading everyone's commentary on CCS packs via the magic "search" function ......I'll buy one of those next. I do have some kiddos who will need them soon. They look great, and I've never used one.


I'm only experienced with Kondos, DP, and the the cabelas offerings (not impressed) . Can't knock it before I try it! "

Interwebs? Necro-threading?
No wonder I still use Duluth Packs most of the time!

quote GraniteCliffs: "

quote Grouseguy1: "This is a prime example of what the interwebs call "necro-threading" , sorry mods : )



Still an interesting topic. After spending some time reading everyone's commentary on CCS packs via the magic "search" function ......I'll buy one of those next. I do have some kiddos who will need them soon. They look great, and I've never used one.



I'm only experienced with Kondos, DP, and the the cabelas offerings (not impressed) . Can't knock it before I try it! "

Interwebs? Necro-threading?
No wonder I still use Duluth Packs most of the time!"

Had to search what that one means...doubt there are too many 'necro-posts' when it comes to canoeing traditions!

By the way, since my email got spammed this week with notifications that this post was active, I should mention that when I moved from Seattle to Vermont in September 2014, I took the opportunity to drive through Duluth and stop by at both Duluth Pack and Frost River (sadly, I missed Rider Wearhouse/Aerostich, because it was Sunday).

Having gotten the chance to compare the two companies' products up close, I will definitely save my money and go with a Frost River pack, although I would actually prefer the tan waxed canvas and the black on black versions that Duluth offers. But, I just can't justify $490 for something I can get in a functional equivalent for $260.

I also stopped at Faribault Woolen Mills the day before and got myself a gorgeous wool blanket from the Mill Store. I gifted to my daughter for her birthday a few weeks ago.