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08/05/2009 06:24PM
I joined this site in August of 2007 because I had done a few "completely outfitted" trips in the past and was looking to learn more. Because of this site and the good members on it I have "graduated" to the point where I now have all my own gear and have done several trips in the last couple years. Heck, I have even taken my young daughter on several trips to the great north. The comfort level that allows me to do this is very much because of the help I have received on this site. Now that I am a little more experienced, I feel good that I am able to reciprocate the help I received to others. The Spirit of the Wilderness in cyberspace!
Adam and the moderators have created a wonderful site for us to exchange ideas, stories, experiences and even a few laughs. Sadly, I fear that the site is becoming more and more angry and critical than it was when I joined. It would sadden me if this trend continues.
I have witnessed new members being lashed and criticized for asking simple questions. Screaming matches containing foul language have occurred in the chat room and on the forum. Post are deleted because they are inappropriate. Is this what the site is about now? Ridicule and snobbery?
I think too many of us forget that the username you are conversing with or responding to is actually another human being. It is very possible that the "username" you are arguing with could end up being the "stranger" that helps you carry a pack across a portage, saves you from the angry waters after dumping you canoe, or invites you to share a campfire on a cold night when all the others sites have been taken.
Please join me by pledging to treat all members (new and old) with dignity and respect. Remember, we were all "newbies" at one point and all of us still have much to learn. The wilderness is a wonderful place that teaches us many life lessons including Humility. Let us remember the lessons we have learned in God's country and try to live them in the forum, in the chat room and in our everyday lives.
Adam and the moderators have created a wonderful site for us to exchange ideas, stories, experiences and even a few laughs. Sadly, I fear that the site is becoming more and more angry and critical than it was when I joined. It would sadden me if this trend continues.
I have witnessed new members being lashed and criticized for asking simple questions. Screaming matches containing foul language have occurred in the chat room and on the forum. Post are deleted because they are inappropriate. Is this what the site is about now? Ridicule and snobbery?
I think too many of us forget that the username you are conversing with or responding to is actually another human being. It is very possible that the "username" you are arguing with could end up being the "stranger" that helps you carry a pack across a portage, saves you from the angry waters after dumping you canoe, or invites you to share a campfire on a cold night when all the others sites have been taken.
Please join me by pledging to treat all members (new and old) with dignity and respect. Remember, we were all "newbies" at one point and all of us still have much to learn. The wilderness is a wonderful place that teaches us many life lessons including Humility. Let us remember the lessons we have learned in God's country and try to live them in the forum, in the chat room and in our everyday lives.
There is a light and it never goes out. Morrissey
08/05/2009 08:22PM
"I think too many of us forget that the username you are conversing with or responding to is actually another human being. It is very possible that the "username" you are arguing with could end up being the "stranger" that helps you carry a pack across a portage..."
True dat.
To be fair, I think some things people have written have been misunderstood because people write on the web with a certain familiarity uncommon among strangers in real life. When you meet someone face to face, you don't usually lead with light trash talking. Good natured ribbing can easily be misunderstood in the absence of facial expressions, tone, and context.
True dat.
To be fair, I think some things people have written have been misunderstood because people write on the web with a certain familiarity uncommon among strangers in real life. When you meet someone face to face, you don't usually lead with light trash talking. Good natured ribbing can easily be misunderstood in the absence of facial expressions, tone, and context.
08/05/2009 09:39PM
Kip,
Thank you for this post. I found it very timely as I have seen or been involved in a couple of incidents this week. Sometimes it is hard to judge the tone of a post...where no malice was intended but malice was seen and felt. I value this site for the expertise that is available. I promise to try to give more than I take and recheck every post for potential "land mines" before I click send.
Thanks again for your thoughtfulness.
Thank you for this post. I found it very timely as I have seen or been involved in a couple of incidents this week. Sometimes it is hard to judge the tone of a post...where no malice was intended but malice was seen and felt. I value this site for the expertise that is available. I promise to try to give more than I take and recheck every post for potential "land mines" before I click send.
Thanks again for your thoughtfulness.
"One inch on the map ~ is not one inch on the ground"
08/06/2009 07:15AM
I Pledge!
For 2+ years I pretty much was a "lurker" - tried to learn as much as I possibly could, and used many ideas to make our trips great. I was afraid to post because I didn't want to seem "stupid", etc. Now I realize I have learned quite a bit, and have started to add to the forums. I simply don't want to get involved in any controversy.
Thanks for the reminder.
For 2+ years I pretty much was a "lurker" - tried to learn as much as I possibly could, and used many ideas to make our trips great. I was afraid to post because I didn't want to seem "stupid", etc. Now I realize I have learned quite a bit, and have started to add to the forums. I simply don't want to get involved in any controversy.
Thanks for the reminder.
08/06/2009 07:23AM
I too am pretty much a lurker, don't post much and since I'm taking my first trip in September, don't feel as if I have a lot to contribute. But I have learned a lot from the members that are here and I think because of that I will be better prepared for this trip. Thank you Kip and too will take the "Oath of Dignity and Respect", not only for the members here, but for the BWCA as well.
Debbie K.
Debbie K.
08/06/2009 07:35AM
I agree. Thank you Kip for bringing this up.
I do hope to see this site flourish. I have learned more than I've ever expected to from my experience here and have found it to be a daily stop in my internet travels. A lot of the appeal has been the sense of sharing, humor and community. I hereby take the oath.
I do hope to see this site flourish. I have learned more than I've ever expected to from my experience here and have found it to be a daily stop in my internet travels. A lot of the appeal has been the sense of sharing, humor and community. I hereby take the oath.
My superhero name is TYPOMAN. Writer of wrongs.
08/06/2009 08:31AM
Such a valuable resource. Among the many things I like about this site is the respect afforded others/newbies like myself. I self-deleted a post I made yesterday, because upon further reflection I thought it could be offensive - wasn't intended that way - but none-the-less. Always best to take a deep breath before posting. Consider me oathed!
08/06/2009 11:10AM
Thank you for this post. I was considering taking a break from here for all the reasons you cited. But the right thing to do is what you did -- speak up. Count me in.
"It is in solitude, in quiet communication with nature that we reach most deeply into truth." Sam Campbell
08/06/2009 11:20AM
Thanks for your posting - this is a great Messageboard with a lot of great members! Sometimes the discussions turn in to heated debates which lead to emotions being displayed. Let's all work hard keep it positive! :)
Do not let the behavior of others destroy your inner peace. Dalai Lama
08/06/2009 05:04PM
I took a few months off from viewing the site due to some of the angry posts. I use this site to wind down, relax, and get away from crabby people so Kip, I thank you for this post.
I'm in!
Also, if I have posted anything members have taken offense to, I apologize.
I'm in!
Also, if I have posted anything members have taken offense to, I apologize.
08/06/2009 05:31PM
Scrolling thru the replies I would say you are preaching to the choir, but Dignity and Respect can always use some preaching [about]!
I DO SO PLEDGE!
butthead
I DO SO PLEDGE!
butthead
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
08/06/2009 06:32PM
Dan,
Very good post and thoughts... As mentioned many of the people here agree whole heartedly with what you have said. As moderators we try not to intervene too much, and we hope that everyone gets along and that discussions progress as they should, with the exchange of ideas and tips. It is human nature to disagree at times, although it can be done civily.
The bad side of the internet as mentioned too, is the freedom to say in type what you probably would not say in person. There are other boards I do not frequent as much simply because of the bickering.
I like you, and everyone else think this is a premier site for the exchange of information about canoing and camping. The members here continue to make this board what it is, and you stepping forward with this Oath and Pledge of Dignity and Respect shows the integrity that is here! Again, Well Done!!
Bruce
Very good post and thoughts... As mentioned many of the people here agree whole heartedly with what you have said. As moderators we try not to intervene too much, and we hope that everyone gets along and that discussions progress as they should, with the exchange of ideas and tips. It is human nature to disagree at times, although it can be done civily.
The bad side of the internet as mentioned too, is the freedom to say in type what you probably would not say in person. There are other boards I do not frequent as much simply because of the bickering.
I like you, and everyone else think this is a premier site for the exchange of information about canoing and camping. The members here continue to make this board what it is, and you stepping forward with this Oath and Pledge of Dignity and Respect shows the integrity that is here! Again, Well Done!!
Bruce
Good Paddling, Great Fishing, and God Bless All...
08/06/2009 08:36PM
Well said.
I joined in February. Not so new to the world....just this site. The folks on here with experience have tought me so much it is truly appreiciated. and I in turn have tried to share some good thougts around my "Life experiences"
I will PLEDGE to be honorable and respectful me-self!!!!
SunCatcher
I joined in February. Not so new to the world....just this site. The folks on here with experience have tought me so much it is truly appreiciated. and I in turn have tried to share some good thougts around my "Life experiences"
I will PLEDGE to be honorable and respectful me-self!!!!
SunCatcher
"WWJD"
08/06/2009 08:57PM
Thanks Kip! A breath of fresh air! I too was tiring of some of the ridicule and snobbery that was being posted. I learn with each trip I make to the outdoors regardless of the locale and I hope to be patient with those that follow and learn from those who proceded me.
Thanks
Thanks
08/06/2009 10:14PM
Count me in.
This thread is exactly what makes this site a good one.
This thread is exactly what makes this site a good one.
"Keep close to Nature's heart, yourself; and break clear away, once in a while, and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean." ~ John Muir
08/07/2009 04:45AM
" Hear! Here!.....?
Joy is a great teacher, but so is dispair. Wonder is a great teacher, but so is confusion. Hope is a great teacher, but so is disillusionment. And life is a great teacher, but so is death. To deny yourself any of those in any aspect is not experiencing life totally.
08/07/2009 05:07AM
I too was starting to stray away from the site because of bickering and ridecule, and it's very nice to hear someone speak up and in a very tastefull manner. Bravo to you Kip well done. Oh yea....I pledge!!
"RANGERS LEAD THE WAY"
08/07/2009 08:55AM
Very well said Kip I agree completely, remember there are no stupid questions ! P. S. This is the best post ive seen since ive been on this site, thanks Kip :-)
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
08/07/2009 10:06AM
One of the Best Posts I've read all week! Thanks Kip! I share in your thoughts! I'm On Board! I think we should all just get along & agree to disagree. Amen!
C-H-A-L-L-E-N-G-E: Do not let what you cannot do, interfere with what you can do.
08/07/2009 12:25PM
I agree completely! Whenever I read a post that gets my dander up, rather than add fuel to the fire, I hit the back button on my browser and go on to the next thread. Why dwell on the negative when there are so many positive topics to enjoy?
08/09/2009 06:41PM
Wisdom beyond your years, Kip.
But then again, I remember learning that in kindergarten.
Checked back and am impressed with how many responded positively.
Thanks again.
But then again, I remember learning that in kindergarten.
Checked back and am impressed with how many responded positively.
Thanks again.
Life is Good, Living is Better. Everlasting Life is Best! Pray for Us Amok.
08/10/2009 09:41AM
Kiporby,
Same experience here. Went a number of times fully outfitted by a couple of great outfitters. But, through my learning, via this great site, I too go it on my own (except for the periodic tow)!
Don't know if I would have done it, without the welcome response to the many questions posted on this site.
Same experience here. Went a number of times fully outfitted by a couple of great outfitters. But, through my learning, via this great site, I too go it on my own (except for the periodic tow)!
Don't know if I would have done it, without the welcome response to the many questions posted on this site.
Dave "....and, when there are no longer any beckoning mirages ahead, a man dies. With an open horizon constantly before him, life can be an eternal challenge". - Sigurd F. Olson.
08/15/2009 07:50AM
As a newbie I am so thankful for all that I have learned at this site. I still have a lot to learn so I plan to use it extensively for future trips.
I did read some threads in which some quickly degraded others for poor planning or bad decisions. It seemed really odd to me because it was so different than the virtual interaction that I experienced. Perhaps user-names cloak our human-ness too much. I know I chose mine without really thinking it would become the name I am known by. I might have chosen something more creative and more of a mask if I knew I would be on the site so much-- wave-whisperer,canoe-can-do, sparkle-water...
And the irony-- the BWCA wilderness ethic seems like almost as big a draw as the place itself-- a creed that says/implies leave no trace, respect the earth, be gentle...
So anyway, this oath/creed/pledge is a nice idea and I am all in. Karen
I did read some threads in which some quickly degraded others for poor planning or bad decisions. It seemed really odd to me because it was so different than the virtual interaction that I experienced. Perhaps user-names cloak our human-ness too much. I know I chose mine without really thinking it would become the name I am known by. I might have chosen something more creative and more of a mask if I knew I would be on the site so much-- wave-whisperer,canoe-can-do, sparkle-water...
And the irony-- the BWCA wilderness ethic seems like almost as big a draw as the place itself-- a creed that says/implies leave no trace, respect the earth, be gentle...
So anyway, this oath/creed/pledge is a nice idea and I am all in. Karen
08/27/2009 10:00PM
I have been away for a while. This post caught my interest as I looked for "what is new" (after a long absence). The words are nicely done.... the thought, an etiquette standard both here and in the field. Thanks for the post.
"Boredom, Tyler - that's what's wrong. And how do you beat boredom, Tyler?... Adventure...(Never Cry Wolf, 1983)
10/27/2009 08:19AM
ahhhhh, another elusive guest paddler bravely posting thier opinions. (alright im in as long as it's still o.k. to subject, GUEST PADDLERS AND THOSE WHO HAVE'NT TAKEN THE OATH, to our finely crafted "ridicule and snobbery" c'mon kiporby ya know its fair.
im the guy the forest service warned you about
11/09/2009 07:54AM
Kiporby I think i need to retake the oath, because i havent really been that nice to Packer fans lately, considering their team keeps getting pounded into the dirt, but I digress, Im retaking the oath right now :-)
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
11/09/2009 08:20AM
Basspro69
Don't do it, Bro!!!!!
The oath of dignity and respect DOES NOT APPLY to the Packers or their fans.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't do it, Bro!!!!!
The oath of dignity and respect DOES NOT APPLY to the Packers or their fans.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11/09/2009 09:16AM
Gentlemen, Kip has already given his blessing to smack talk. However, you should ALL feel guilty for hammering on us poor Packer fans while we are down. We would NEVER do that to our dearest neighbors to the west. Shame on you!
Who Dat
Who Dat
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark too read. Groucho Marx
11/09/2009 09:27AM
Yes, we know you wouldn't kick us when we're down!
And the check is in the mail..............!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Vikings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tampa Bay, WOW:)
And the check is in the mail..............!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Vikings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tampa Bay, WOW:)
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11/09/2009 10:54PM
fisher,
You state: bp69 GOOD NEWS, I had my attorney look this oath over and he says, " this oath in no way applies to packer fans while on the subject of football". its our turn now enjoy it.
This oath doesn't need an attorney's interpretation, since anyone with ANY DIGNITY OR RESPECT, could never be a Packer fan!!! :)
You state: bp69 GOOD NEWS, I had my attorney look this oath over and he says, " this oath in no way applies to packer fans while on the subject of football". its our turn now enjoy it.
This oath doesn't need an attorney's interpretation, since anyone with ANY DIGNITY OR RESPECT, could never be a Packer fan!!! :)
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11/22/2009 09:00AM
In a recent post. I saw someone reference this to a exchange that was taking place between two members. I thought it was appropriate to bump this up.
But, even though I agree with the principles of this, there are some people who come to this board to self promote themselves or to show how intelligent they by deftly making comments that can very easily be taken as a shots across the bow. I have repeatedly seen one of the newer members doing this and he finally got slapped by the "paw" which in my opinion was overdue.
This new member is also the member of another board where he reguarly "stirs the pot" and has become a persona non grata there.
So this is my message to that person. You are not the smartest person in the room, we are all equal here. So please don't bring your "debate posting style" to this board.
The Oath does not, in my opinion prevent this.
But, even though I agree with the principles of this, there are some people who come to this board to self promote themselves or to show how intelligent they by deftly making comments that can very easily be taken as a shots across the bow. I have repeatedly seen one of the newer members doing this and he finally got slapped by the "paw" which in my opinion was overdue.
This new member is also the member of another board where he reguarly "stirs the pot" and has become a persona non grata there.
So this is my message to that person. You are not the smartest person in the room, we are all equal here. So please don't bring your "debate posting style" to this board.
The Oath does not, in my opinion prevent this.
"One inch on the map ~ is not one inch on the ground"
11/22/2009 12:06PM
Bojibob, great post! Thank you. I have not taken the oath and probably will not. A quote to think about, if you want to debate every subject.
"I can win an argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this, and steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don't even invite me."
Dave Barry (1947 -
German Shorthair Pointers Rule Serenity is found in your mind, not somewhere you seek.
11/22/2009 04:55PM
I agree, great post bob - thank you. G, I also like the quote you posted - thank you, too.
THE EDGE, there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. - Hunter S. Thompson
11/25/2009 07:33PM
i too found this site to be invaluable in outfitting and planning trips, can't imagine if i'd have gotten slammed for asking what are now to me "simple" questions. thanks to EVERYONE and count me in with my pledge.
rookie in 03
02/20/2010 11:34PM
quote bojibob: "In a recent post. I saw someone reference this to a exchange that was taking place between two members. I thought it was appropriate to bump this up.
But, even though I agree with the principles of this, there are some people who come to this board to self promote themselves or to show how intelligent they by deftly making comments that can very easily be taken as a shots across the bow. I have repeatedly seen one of the newer members doing this and he finally got slapped by the "paw" which in my opinion was overdue.
This new member is also the member of another board where he reguarly "stirs the pot" and has become a persona non grata there.
So this is my message to that person. You are not the smartest person in the room, we are all equal here. So please don't bring your "debate posting style" to this board.
The Oath does not, in my opinion prevent this.
"
I think I know who you're talkin about rob...thought it needed another bump.
02/21/2010 08:37PM
Thanks for bumping it Jeff - it absolutely needed it and Rob is absolutley right. :)
THE EDGE, there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. - Hunter S. Thompson
02/22/2010 09:51PM
I wonder how many of us are thinking: "Good God, I hope it isn't me?!"
Perhaps it is a good reminder to us all. Good post.
On the other hand, paranoia runs deep.
It wasn't me was it?
No really, you can tell me.
Honest, I will try harder.
I am not that bad a person. Ask my friend. You can call him in a couple of months when he gets out early for good behavior.
Really.
Was it me? Just say it. I can take it.
Another sleepless night in Minnesota worrying myself to death.
There goes my grip on sanity.
It must be time to hit the water.
Perhaps it is a good reminder to us all. Good post.
On the other hand, paranoia runs deep.
It wasn't me was it?
No really, you can tell me.
Honest, I will try harder.
I am not that bad a person. Ask my friend. You can call him in a couple of months when he gets out early for good behavior.
Really.
Was it me? Just say it. I can take it.
Another sleepless night in Minnesota worrying myself to death.
There goes my grip on sanity.
It must be time to hit the water.
02/23/2010 09:50AM
Nothing worse that reading posts from so called "know-it-alls" or just plain negative people. I can think of one person in another forum (Isle Royale) that I wish would "get it". I have been enjoying this site alot!! Thanks for all the help. I am in!
06/09/2010 05:29PM
Back to the top. There has been too much negativity, fighting and harsh words exchanged as of late.
I do not want this site to be damaged. I enjoy it way too much for a few to ruin it for the majority.
Peace, harmony, dignity and respect my friends! Learn to live it and mean it!!
I do not want this site to be damaged. I enjoy it way too much for a few to ruin it for the majority.
Peace, harmony, dignity and respect my friends! Learn to live it and mean it!!
There is a light and it never goes out. Morrissey
06/09/2010 08:42PM
quote Kiporby: "Back to the top. There has been too much negativity, fighting and harsh words exchanged as of late.
I do not want this site to be damaged. I enjoy it way too much for a few to ruin it for the majority.
Peace, harmony, dignity and respect my friends! Learn to live it and mean it!!"
Amen and count me in as always
THE EDGE, there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. - Hunter S. Thompson
06/09/2010 09:10PM
Thanks Kiporby, as a relative newbie I hadn't seen this before. Sad to think it's needed a bump three times within a year... but I DO PLEDGE! Thanks again.
Wherever there is a channel for water, there is a road for the canoe. -Thoreau
06/10/2010 07:38AM
Spent a few days contemplating a scathing post about all the negativity here on my favorite internet-machine-site, but thought that would just add to the bad vibe. Thought also about not visiting this site anymore…really don’t want to give up all the good just cause of a little bad though.
Thought that taking the oath and helping to keep this post at the top is a better way to go.
Thought that taking the oath and helping to keep this post at the top is a better way to go.
"Every day on this side of the dirt is a good day." ~ My Grandpa
06/10/2010 08:48AM
I couldn't agree more! "Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from themselves"
P.S. Feel free to dis this Packer fan anytime.
"Everybody needs beauty as well as bread, places to play in and pray in, where nature may heal and give strength to body and soul" John Muir
06/10/2010 12:31PM
Trash Talk about football is OK TGO. Just remember that us Packer fans may reciprocate! :)"
I would expect nothing less, but don't think any Packer fan has the gonads to dis a REAL Viking fan!!!!!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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06/10/2010 01:48PM
One of my secret vices is reality TV. I don't know... all the crazy people and the weird issues that they are perfectly fine splaying all over the TV is just mezmorizing!!!
But I come here to hear wonderous stories of the seemingly infinite lakes, fantasy fishing, wildlife encounters... I want to learn which paddling adventure should be my next, I want to hear the stories from the people who are older than me still treking through the portages to their place of peace.
I promise to leave reality TV behavior to the "Wife Swap" participants I might converse with- everyone here will get only the same respect and dignity I would give on... lets say a portage I might meet them on.
But I come here to hear wonderous stories of the seemingly infinite lakes, fantasy fishing, wildlife encounters... I want to learn which paddling adventure should be my next, I want to hear the stories from the people who are older than me still treking through the portages to their place of peace.
I promise to leave reality TV behavior to the "Wife Swap" participants I might converse with- everyone here will get only the same respect and dignity I would give on... lets say a portage I might meet them on.
Ripple in still water....
06/10/2010 04:37PM
quote The Great Outdoors: "I hope this doesn't mean we can't dis Packer fans anymore:("
TGO, you're one of the more vocal Packer dissers and I'm ok with it as long as it's a fun, respectful bit of trash-talking.
Just remember, turnabout is fair play as long as it doesn't elevate to ugly.
"Keep close to Nature's heart, yourself; and break clear away, once in a while, and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean." ~ John Muir
08/24/2010 03:58PM
I am in agreement. Echoing where bertrand started also: I believe text messaging, facebook, myspace,cell phones and the internet as a whole in some extant are a bane on society! (I know that makes me a bit of a hypocrite being here) Typing these words can be impersonal and at times hurtful. As previously expressed, they are just words and don't always have the intended emotion behind them. My daughter and her grand-mother had a major misunderstanding due to one not seeing the other laughing at what was meant as a joke. Very sad. While I will continue to enjoy the good of this site I will try to keep it upbeat, helpful, and a measure to share and savor the passion for the BWCAW. Thanks for the thread! Pete
Without the bad times, the good times wouldn't seem so good.
08/24/2010 06:17PM
quote fishguts: "I renew my Oath of Dignity and Respect.....again. "
Ditto.
This is what I do. Before clicking submit, carefully read what I've written and think, could this possibly tick anybody off? If I think it might, I edit before posting or just delete the entire post.
08/25/2010 07:55AM
quote bradcrc: "interesting to see some of the people who have made this oath and then read their posts."
I'm in for the third time.
That said, I agree with bradcrc. I think it's great that this thread was ever started and great that it gets bumped when necessary. The value of the oath is not in taking it, but rather, maintaining and following it. It's sad, but all this thread really seems to do is to confirm what most of us do and feel anyway. I love this site and the vast majority of members are respectful and sensitive when they disagree with a topic or someone's stance.
The fact is, however, that some who have taken this oath have gone on to break it, which not only makes them disrespectful, it makes them hypocrites, as well. Another fact is that many who go against this oath never signed up for it in the first place. I actually have more respect for those people. Although they're disrespectful, they're not hypocrites, too.
I'm in and I will follow it. It's sad, however, that we ever needed it in the first place.
"It is in solitude, in quiet communication with nature that we reach most deeply into truth." Sam Campbell
08/25/2010 09:38PM
I'm renewing, and invite anyone to politely point it out if I should happen to stray by accident. I hope I'm strong enough to rescind and make amends if need be.
Thanks Airmorse.
Thanks Airmorse.
Wherever there is a channel for water, there is a road for the canoe. -Thoreau
12/18/2010 08:38PM
no problem for me to take this pledge. i have always considered myself fortunate to have been taught wilderness skills by some of the most experienced woodsmen in the north. on the trail I love to share this knowledge, to do this with dignity and respect does take a bit of skill and diplomacy.
boonie






