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Boundary Waters Quetico Forum Listening Point - General Discussion Take the Oath of Dignity and Respect |
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08/05/2009 06:24PM
I joined this site in August of 2007 because I had done a few "completely outfitted" trips in the past and was looking to learn more. Because of this site and the good members on it I have "graduated" to the point where I now have all my own gear and have done several trips in the last couple years. Heck, I have even taken my young daughter on several trips to the great north. The comfort level that allows me to do this is very much because of the help I have received on this site. Now that I am a little more experienced, I feel good that I am able to reciprocate the help I received to others. The Spirit of the Wilderness in cyberspace!
Adam and the moderators have created a wonderful site for us to exchange ideas, stories, experiences and even a few laughs. Sadly, I fear that the site is becoming more and more angry and critical than it was when I joined. It would sadden me if this trend continues.
I have witnessed new members being lashed and criticized for asking simple questions. Screaming matches containing foul language have occurred in the chat room and on the forum. Post are deleted because they are inappropriate. Is this what the site is about now? Ridicule and snobbery?
I think too many of us forget that the username you are conversing with or responding to is actually another human being. It is very possible that the "username" you are arguing with could end up being the "stranger" that helps you carry a pack across a portage, saves you from the angry waters after dumping you canoe, or invites you to share a campfire on a cold night when all the others sites have been taken.
Please join me by pledging to treat all members (new and old) with dignity and respect. Remember, we were all "newbies" at one point and all of us still have much to learn. The wilderness is a wonderful place that teaches us many life lessons including Humility. Let us remember the lessons we have learned in God's country and try to live them in the forum, in the chat room and in our everyday lives.
Adam and the moderators have created a wonderful site for us to exchange ideas, stories, experiences and even a few laughs. Sadly, I fear that the site is becoming more and more angry and critical than it was when I joined. It would sadden me if this trend continues.
I have witnessed new members being lashed and criticized for asking simple questions. Screaming matches containing foul language have occurred in the chat room and on the forum. Post are deleted because they are inappropriate. Is this what the site is about now? Ridicule and snobbery?
I think too many of us forget that the username you are conversing with or responding to is actually another human being. It is very possible that the "username" you are arguing with could end up being the "stranger" that helps you carry a pack across a portage, saves you from the angry waters after dumping you canoe, or invites you to share a campfire on a cold night when all the others sites have been taken.
Please join me by pledging to treat all members (new and old) with dignity and respect. Remember, we were all "newbies" at one point and all of us still have much to learn. The wilderness is a wonderful place that teaches us many life lessons including Humility. Let us remember the lessons we have learned in God's country and try to live them in the forum, in the chat room and in our everyday lives.
There is a light and it never goes out. Morrissey
08/05/2009 08:22PM
"I think too many of us forget that the username you are conversing with or responding to is actually another human being. It is very possible that the "username" you are arguing with could end up being the "stranger" that helps you carry a pack across a portage..."
True dat.
To be fair, I think some things people have written have been misunderstood because people write on the web with a certain familiarity uncommon among strangers in real life. When you meet someone face to face, you don't usually lead with light trash talking. Good natured ribbing can easily be misunderstood in the absence of facial expressions, tone, and context.
True dat.
To be fair, I think some things people have written have been misunderstood because people write on the web with a certain familiarity uncommon among strangers in real life. When you meet someone face to face, you don't usually lead with light trash talking. Good natured ribbing can easily be misunderstood in the absence of facial expressions, tone, and context.
08/05/2009 09:39PM
Kip,
Thank you for this post. I found it very timely as I have seen or been involved in a couple of incidents this week. Sometimes it is hard to judge the tone of a post...where no malice was intended but malice was seen and felt. I value this site for the expertise that is available. I promise to try to give more than I take and recheck every post for potential "land mines" before I click send.
Thanks again for your thoughtfulness.
Thank you for this post. I found it very timely as I have seen or been involved in a couple of incidents this week. Sometimes it is hard to judge the tone of a post...where no malice was intended but malice was seen and felt. I value this site for the expertise that is available. I promise to try to give more than I take and recheck every post for potential "land mines" before I click send.
Thanks again for your thoughtfulness.
"One inch on the map ~ is not one inch on the ground"
08/06/2009 07:15AM
I Pledge!
For 2+ years I pretty much was a "lurker" - tried to learn as much as I possibly could, and used many ideas to make our trips great. I was afraid to post because I didn't want to seem "stupid", etc. Now I realize I have learned quite a bit, and have started to add to the forums. I simply don't want to get involved in any controversy.
Thanks for the reminder.
For 2+ years I pretty much was a "lurker" - tried to learn as much as I possibly could, and used many ideas to make our trips great. I was afraid to post because I didn't want to seem "stupid", etc. Now I realize I have learned quite a bit, and have started to add to the forums. I simply don't want to get involved in any controversy.
Thanks for the reminder.
08/06/2009 07:23AM
I too am pretty much a lurker, don't post much and since I'm taking my first trip in September, don't feel as if I have a lot to contribute. But I have learned a lot from the members that are here and I think because of that I will be better prepared for this trip. Thank you Kip and too will take the "Oath of Dignity and Respect", not only for the members here, but for the BWCA as well.
Debbie K.
Debbie K.
08/06/2009 07:35AM
I agree. Thank you Kip for bringing this up.
I do hope to see this site flourish. I have learned more than I've ever expected to from my experience here and have found it to be a daily stop in my internet travels. A lot of the appeal has been the sense of sharing, humor and community. I hereby take the oath.
I do hope to see this site flourish. I have learned more than I've ever expected to from my experience here and have found it to be a daily stop in my internet travels. A lot of the appeal has been the sense of sharing, humor and community. I hereby take the oath.
My superhero name is TYPOMAN. Writer of wrongs.
08/06/2009 08:31AM
Such a valuable resource. Among the many things I like about this site is the respect afforded others/newbies like myself. I self-deleted a post I made yesterday, because upon further reflection I thought it could be offensive - wasn't intended that way - but none-the-less. Always best to take a deep breath before posting. Consider me oathed!
08/06/2009 11:10AM
Thank you for this post. I was considering taking a break from here for all the reasons you cited. But the right thing to do is what you did -- speak up. Count me in.
"It is in solitude, in quiet communication with nature that we reach most deeply into truth." Sam Campbell
08/06/2009 11:20AM
Thanks for your posting - this is a great Messageboard with a lot of great members! Sometimes the discussions turn in to heated debates which lead to emotions being displayed. Let's all work hard keep it positive! :)
Do not let the behavior of others destroy your inner peace. Dalai Lama
08/06/2009 05:04PM
I took a few months off from viewing the site due to some of the angry posts. I use this site to wind down, relax, and get away from crabby people so Kip, I thank you for this post.
I'm in!
Also, if I have posted anything members have taken offense to, I apologize.
I'm in!
Also, if I have posted anything members have taken offense to, I apologize.
08/06/2009 05:31PM
Scrolling thru the replies I would say you are preaching to the choir, but Dignity and Respect can always use some preaching [about]!
I DO SO PLEDGE!
butthead
I DO SO PLEDGE!
butthead
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
08/06/2009 06:32PM
Dan,
Very good post and thoughts... As mentioned many of the people here agree whole heartedly with what you have said. As moderators we try not to intervene too much, and we hope that everyone gets along and that discussions progress as they should, with the exchange of ideas and tips. It is human nature to disagree at times, although it can be done civily.
The bad side of the internet as mentioned too, is the freedom to say in type what you probably would not say in person. There are other boards I do not frequent as much simply because of the bickering.
I like you, and everyone else think this is a premier site for the exchange of information about canoing and camping. The members here continue to make this board what it is, and you stepping forward with this Oath and Pledge of Dignity and Respect shows the integrity that is here! Again, Well Done!!
Bruce
Very good post and thoughts... As mentioned many of the people here agree whole heartedly with what you have said. As moderators we try not to intervene too much, and we hope that everyone gets along and that discussions progress as they should, with the exchange of ideas and tips. It is human nature to disagree at times, although it can be done civily.
The bad side of the internet as mentioned too, is the freedom to say in type what you probably would not say in person. There are other boards I do not frequent as much simply because of the bickering.
I like you, and everyone else think this is a premier site for the exchange of information about canoing and camping. The members here continue to make this board what it is, and you stepping forward with this Oath and Pledge of Dignity and Respect shows the integrity that is here! Again, Well Done!!
Bruce
Good Paddling, Great Fishing, and God Bless All...
08/06/2009 08:36PM
Well said.
I joined in February. Not so new to the world....just this site. The folks on here with experience have tought me so much it is truly appreiciated. and I in turn have tried to share some good thougts around my "Life experiences"
I will PLEDGE to be honorable and respectful me-self!!!!
SunCatcher
I joined in February. Not so new to the world....just this site. The folks on here with experience have tought me so much it is truly appreiciated. and I in turn have tried to share some good thougts around my "Life experiences"
I will PLEDGE to be honorable and respectful me-self!!!!
SunCatcher
"WWJD"
08/06/2009 08:57PM
Thanks Kip! A breath of fresh air! I too was tiring of some of the ridicule and snobbery that was being posted. I learn with each trip I make to the outdoors regardless of the locale and I hope to be patient with those that follow and learn from those who proceded me.
Thanks
Thanks
08/06/2009 10:14PM
Count me in.
This thread is exactly what makes this site a good one.
This thread is exactly what makes this site a good one.
"Keep close to Nature's heart, yourself; and break clear away, once in a while, and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean." ~ John Muir
08/07/2009 04:45AM
" Hear! Here!.....?
Joy is a great teacher, but so is dispair. Wonder is a great teacher, but so is confusion. Hope is a great teacher, but so is disillusionment. And life is a great teacher, but so is death. To deny yourself any of those in any aspect is not experiencing life totally.
08/07/2009 05:07AM
I too was starting to stray away from the site because of bickering and ridecule, and it's very nice to hear someone speak up and in a very tastefull manner. Bravo to you Kip well done. Oh yea....I pledge!!
"RANGERS LEAD THE WAY"
08/07/2009 08:55AM
Very well said Kip I agree completely, remember there are no stupid questions ! P. S. This is the best post ive seen since ive been on this site, thanks Kip :-)
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
08/07/2009 10:06AM
One of the Best Posts I've read all week! Thanks Kip! I share in your thoughts! I'm On Board! I think we should all just get along & agree to disagree. Amen!
C-H-A-L-L-E-N-G-E: Do not let what you cannot do, interfere with what you can do.
08/07/2009 12:25PM
I agree completely! Whenever I read a post that gets my dander up, rather than add fuel to the fire, I hit the back button on my browser and go on to the next thread. Why dwell on the negative when there are so many positive topics to enjoy?
08/09/2009 06:41PM
Wisdom beyond your years, Kip.
But then again, I remember learning that in kindergarten.
Checked back and am impressed with how many responded positively.
Thanks again.
But then again, I remember learning that in kindergarten.
Checked back and am impressed with how many responded positively.
Thanks again.
Life is Good, Living is Better. Everlasting Life is Best! Pray for Us Amok.
08/10/2009 09:41AM
Kiporby,
Same experience here. Went a number of times fully outfitted by a couple of great outfitters. But, through my learning, via this great site, I too go it on my own (except for the periodic tow)!
Don't know if I would have done it, without the welcome response to the many questions posted on this site.
Same experience here. Went a number of times fully outfitted by a couple of great outfitters. But, through my learning, via this great site, I too go it on my own (except for the periodic tow)!
Don't know if I would have done it, without the welcome response to the many questions posted on this site.
Dave "....and, when there are no longer any beckoning mirages ahead, a man dies. With an open horizon constantly before him, life can be an eternal challenge". - Sigurd F. Olson.
08/15/2009 07:50AM
As a newbie I am so thankful for all that I have learned at this site. I still have a lot to learn so I plan to use it extensively for future trips.
I did read some threads in which some quickly degraded others for poor planning or bad decisions. It seemed really odd to me because it was so different than the virtual interaction that I experienced. Perhaps user-names cloak our human-ness too much. I know I chose mine without really thinking it would become the name I am known by. I might have chosen something more creative and more of a mask if I knew I would be on the site so much-- wave-whisperer,canoe-can-do, sparkle-water...
And the irony-- the BWCA wilderness ethic seems like almost as big a draw as the place itself-- a creed that says/implies leave no trace, respect the earth, be gentle...
So anyway, this oath/creed/pledge is a nice idea and I am all in. Karen
I did read some threads in which some quickly degraded others for poor planning or bad decisions. It seemed really odd to me because it was so different than the virtual interaction that I experienced. Perhaps user-names cloak our human-ness too much. I know I chose mine without really thinking it would become the name I am known by. I might have chosen something more creative and more of a mask if I knew I would be on the site so much-- wave-whisperer,canoe-can-do, sparkle-water...
And the irony-- the BWCA wilderness ethic seems like almost as big a draw as the place itself-- a creed that says/implies leave no trace, respect the earth, be gentle...
So anyway, this oath/creed/pledge is a nice idea and I am all in. Karen
08/27/2009 10:00PM
I have been away for a while. This post caught my interest as I looked for "what is new" (after a long absence). The words are nicely done.... the thought, an etiquette standard both here and in the field. Thanks for the post.
"Boredom, Tyler - that's what's wrong. And how do you beat boredom, Tyler?... Adventure...(Never Cry Wolf, 1983)
10/27/2009 08:19AM
ahhhhh, another elusive guest paddler bravely posting thier opinions. (alright im in as long as it's still o.k. to subject, GUEST PADDLERS AND THOSE WHO HAVE'NT TAKEN THE OATH, to our finely crafted "ridicule and snobbery" c'mon kiporby ya know its fair.
im the guy the forest service warned you about
11/09/2009 07:54AM
Kiporby I think i need to retake the oath, because i havent really been that nice to Packer fans lately, considering their team keeps getting pounded into the dirt, but I digress, Im retaking the oath right now :-)
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
11/09/2009 08:20AM
Basspro69
Don't do it, Bro!!!!!
The oath of dignity and respect DOES NOT APPLY to the Packers or their fans.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't do it, Bro!!!!!
The oath of dignity and respect DOES NOT APPLY to the Packers or their fans.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11/09/2009 09:16AM
Gentlemen, Kip has already given his blessing to smack talk. However, you should ALL feel guilty for hammering on us poor Packer fans while we are down. We would NEVER do that to our dearest neighbors to the west. Shame on you!
Who Dat
Who Dat
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark too read. Groucho Marx
11/09/2009 09:27AM
Yes, we know you wouldn't kick us when we're down!
And the check is in the mail..............!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Vikings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tampa Bay, WOW:)
And the check is in the mail..............!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Vikings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tampa Bay, WOW:)
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11/09/2009 10:54PM
fisher,
You state: bp69 GOOD NEWS, I had my attorney look this oath over and he says, " this oath in no way applies to packer fans while on the subject of football". its our turn now enjoy it.
This oath doesn't need an attorney's interpretation, since anyone with ANY DIGNITY OR RESPECT, could never be a Packer fan!!! :)
You state: bp69 GOOD NEWS, I had my attorney look this oath over and he says, " this oath in no way applies to packer fans while on the subject of football". its our turn now enjoy it.
This oath doesn't need an attorney's interpretation, since anyone with ANY DIGNITY OR RESPECT, could never be a Packer fan!!! :)
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11/22/2009 09:00AM
In a recent post. I saw someone reference this to a exchange that was taking place between two members. I thought it was appropriate to bump this up.
But, even though I agree with the principles of this, there are some people who come to this board to self promote themselves or to show how intelligent they by deftly making comments that can very easily be taken as a shots across the bow. I have repeatedly seen one of the newer members doing this and he finally got slapped by the "paw" which in my opinion was overdue.
This new member is also the member of another board where he reguarly "stirs the pot" and has become a persona non grata there.
So this is my message to that person. You are not the smartest person in the room, we are all equal here. So please don't bring your "debate posting style" to this board.
The Oath does not, in my opinion prevent this.
But, even though I agree with the principles of this, there are some people who come to this board to self promote themselves or to show how intelligent they by deftly making comments that can very easily be taken as a shots across the bow. I have repeatedly seen one of the newer members doing this and he finally got slapped by the "paw" which in my opinion was overdue.
This new member is also the member of another board where he reguarly "stirs the pot" and has become a persona non grata there.
So this is my message to that person. You are not the smartest person in the room, we are all equal here. So please don't bring your "debate posting style" to this board.
The Oath does not, in my opinion prevent this.
"One inch on the map ~ is not one inch on the ground"
11/22/2009 12:06PM
Bojibob, great post! Thank you. I have not taken the oath and probably will not. A quote to think about, if you want to debate every subject.
"I can win an argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this, and steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don't even invite me."
Dave Barry (1947 -
German Shorthair Pointers Rule Serenity is found in your mind, not somewhere you seek.
11/22/2009 04:55PM
I agree, great post bob - thank you. G, I also like the quote you posted - thank you, too.
THE EDGE, there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. - Hunter S. Thompson
11/25/2009 07:33PM
i too found this site to be invaluable in outfitting and planning trips, can't imagine if i'd have gotten slammed for asking what are now to me "simple" questions. thanks to EVERYONE and count me in with my pledge.
rookie in 03
02/20/2010 11:34PM
quote bojibob: "In a recent post. I saw someone reference this to a exchange that was taking place between two members. I thought it was appropriate to bump this up.
But, even though I agree with the principles of this, there are some people who come to this board to self promote themselves or to show how intelligent they by deftly making comments that can very easily be taken as a shots across the bow. I have repeatedly seen one of the newer members doing this and he finally got slapped by the "paw" which in my opinion was overdue.
This new member is also the member of another board where he reguarly "stirs the pot" and has become a persona non grata there.
So this is my message to that person. You are not the smartest person in the room, we are all equal here. So please don't bring your "debate posting style" to this board.
The Oath does not, in my opinion prevent this.
"
I think I know who you're talkin about rob...thought it needed another bump.
02/21/2010 08:37PM
Thanks for bumping it Jeff - it absolutely needed it and Rob is absolutley right. :)
THE EDGE, there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. - Hunter S. Thompson
02/22/2010 09:51PM
I wonder how many of us are thinking: "Good God, I hope it isn't me?!"
Perhaps it is a good reminder to us all. Good post.
On the other hand, paranoia runs deep.
It wasn't me was it?
No really, you can tell me.
Honest, I will try harder.
I am not that bad a person. Ask my friend. You can call him in a couple of months when he gets out early for good behavior.
Really.
Was it me? Just say it. I can take it.
Another sleepless night in Minnesota worrying myself to death.
There goes my grip on sanity.
It must be time to hit the water.
Perhaps it is a good reminder to us all. Good post.
On the other hand, paranoia runs deep.
It wasn't me was it?
No really, you can tell me.
Honest, I will try harder.
I am not that bad a person. Ask my friend. You can call him in a couple of months when he gets out early for good behavior.
Really.
Was it me? Just say it. I can take it.
Another sleepless night in Minnesota worrying myself to death.
There goes my grip on sanity.
It must be time to hit the water.
02/23/2010 09:50AM
Nothing worse that reading posts from so called "know-it-alls" or just plain negative people. I can think of one person in another forum (Isle Royale) that I wish would "get it". I have been enjoying this site alot!! Thanks for all the help. I am in!
06/09/2010 05:29PM
Back to the top. There has been too much negativity, fighting and harsh words exchanged as of late.
I do not want this site to be damaged. I enjoy it way too much for a few to ruin it for the majority.
Peace, harmony, dignity and respect my friends! Learn to live it and mean it!!
I do not want this site to be damaged. I enjoy it way too much for a few to ruin it for the majority.
Peace, harmony, dignity and respect my friends! Learn to live it and mean it!!
There is a light and it never goes out. Morrissey
06/09/2010 08:42PM
quote Kiporby: "Back to the top. There has been too much negativity, fighting and harsh words exchanged as of late.
I do not want this site to be damaged. I enjoy it way too much for a few to ruin it for the majority.
Peace, harmony, dignity and respect my friends! Learn to live it and mean it!!"
Amen and count me in as always
THE EDGE, there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. - Hunter S. Thompson
06/09/2010 09:10PM
Thanks Kiporby, as a relative newbie I hadn't seen this before. Sad to think it's needed a bump three times within a year... but I DO PLEDGE! Thanks again.
Wherever there is a channel for water, there is a road for the canoe. -Thoreau
06/10/2010 07:38AM
Spent a few days contemplating a scathing post about all the negativity here on my favorite internet-machine-site, but thought that would just add to the bad vibe. Thought also about not visiting this site anymore…really don’t want to give up all the good just cause of a little bad though.
Thought that taking the oath and helping to keep this post at the top is a better way to go.
Thought that taking the oath and helping to keep this post at the top is a better way to go.
"Every day on this side of the dirt is a good day." ~ My Grandpa
06/10/2010 08:48AM
I couldn't agree more! "Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from themselves"
P.S. Feel free to dis this Packer fan anytime.
"Everybody needs beauty as well as bread, places to play in and pray in, where nature may heal and give strength to body and soul" John Muir
06/10/2010 12:31PM
Trash Talk about football is OK TGO. Just remember that us Packer fans may reciprocate! :)"
I would expect nothing less, but don't think any Packer fan has the gonads to dis a REAL Viking fan!!!!!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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06/10/2010 01:48PM
One of my secret vices is reality TV. I don't know... all the crazy people and the weird issues that they are perfectly fine splaying all over the TV is just mezmorizing!!!
But I come here to hear wonderous stories of the seemingly infinite lakes, fantasy fishing, wildlife encounters... I want to learn which paddling adventure should be my next, I want to hear the stories from the people who are older than me still treking through the portages to their place of peace.
I promise to leave reality TV behavior to the "Wife Swap" participants I might converse with- everyone here will get only the same respect and dignity I would give on... lets say a portage I might meet them on.
But I come here to hear wonderous stories of the seemingly infinite lakes, fantasy fishing, wildlife encounters... I want to learn which paddling adventure should be my next, I want to hear the stories from the people who are older than me still treking through the portages to their place of peace.
I promise to leave reality TV behavior to the "Wife Swap" participants I might converse with- everyone here will get only the same respect and dignity I would give on... lets say a portage I might meet them on.
Ripple in still water....
06/10/2010 04:37PM
quote The Great Outdoors: "I hope this doesn't mean we can't dis Packer fans anymore:("
TGO, you're one of the more vocal Packer dissers and I'm ok with it as long as it's a fun, respectful bit of trash-talking.
Just remember, turnabout is fair play as long as it doesn't elevate to ugly.
"Keep close to Nature's heart, yourself; and break clear away, once in a while, and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean." ~ John Muir
08/24/2010 03:58PM
I am in agreement. Echoing where bertrand started also: I believe text messaging, facebook, myspace,cell phones and the internet as a whole in some extant are a bane on society! (I know that makes me a bit of a hypocrite being here) Typing these words can be impersonal and at times hurtful. As previously expressed, they are just words and don't always have the intended emotion behind them. My daughter and her grand-mother had a major misunderstanding due to one not seeing the other laughing at what was meant as a joke. Very sad. While I will continue to enjoy the good of this site I will try to keep it upbeat, helpful, and a measure to share and savor the passion for the BWCAW. Thanks for the thread! Pete
Without the bad times, the good times wouldn't seem so good.
08/24/2010 06:17PM
quote fishguts: "I renew my Oath of Dignity and Respect.....again. "
Ditto.
This is what I do. Before clicking submit, carefully read what I've written and think, could this possibly tick anybody off? If I think it might, I edit before posting or just delete the entire post.
08/25/2010 07:55AM
quote bradcrc: "interesting to see some of the people who have made this oath and then read their posts."
I'm in for the third time.
That said, I agree with bradcrc. I think it's great that this thread was ever started and great that it gets bumped when necessary. The value of the oath is not in taking it, but rather, maintaining and following it. It's sad, but all this thread really seems to do is to confirm what most of us do and feel anyway. I love this site and the vast majority of members are respectful and sensitive when they disagree with a topic or someone's stance.
The fact is, however, that some who have taken this oath have gone on to break it, which not only makes them disrespectful, it makes them hypocrites, as well. Another fact is that many who go against this oath never signed up for it in the first place. I actually have more respect for those people. Although they're disrespectful, they're not hypocrites, too.
I'm in and I will follow it. It's sad, however, that we ever needed it in the first place.
"It is in solitude, in quiet communication with nature that we reach most deeply into truth." Sam Campbell
08/25/2010 09:38PM
I'm renewing, and invite anyone to politely point it out if I should happen to stray by accident. I hope I'm strong enough to rescind and make amends if need be.
Thanks Airmorse.
Thanks Airmorse.
Wherever there is a channel for water, there is a road for the canoe. -Thoreau
12/18/2010 08:38PM
no problem for me to take this pledge. i have always considered myself fortunate to have been taught wilderness skills by some of the most experienced woodsmen in the north. on the trail I love to share this knowledge, to do this with dignity and respect does take a bit of skill and diplomacy.
10/04/2011 09:30PM
Never saw this. Count me in and bump it.
Thanks Rapid Runner.
Thanks Rapid Runner.
“What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.” Ralph Waldo Emerson...and...“Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
10/06/2011 04:50PM
I've missed this thread before, as I had been a very irregular visitor until the last year or so. I'm in.
To what did I just agree? ;-)
To what did I just agree? ;-)
“If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” ~J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit
10/06/2011 05:58PM
Somehow I missed this thread before. I take the pledge. I'm amazed at the number of posts. I thought I met a lot of brothers and sisters this past weekend; looks like I have just scratched the surface. I know I still have a lot of work to do, and I expect we all do. Bless you all.
10/07/2011 10:24AM
quote knothead180: "I agree completely! Whenever I read a post that gets my dander up, rather than add fuel to the fire, I hit the back button on my browser and go on to the next thread. Why dwell on the negative when there are so many positive topics to enjoy?"
I'm in.
10/07/2011 12:04PM
quote Skilletmary: "quote knothead180: "I agree completely! Whenever I read a post that gets my dander up, rather than add fuel to the fire, I hit the back button on my browser and go on to the next thread. Why dwell on the negative when there are so many positive topics to enjoy?"
I'm in."
SM is right. Too much good stuff here to waste time on negative vibes. I hope my posts demonstrate that I live by the "golden rule" both on line and off.
LNT - The road to success is always under construction. http://hikingillinois.blogspot.com/
10/09/2011 02:39PM
Treating other posters with respect doesn't mean agreeing with them on all points. My points of view are in the decided minority here -- and I understand that. I post without ad hominem tones but I do (and hope I'm able to continue to) express my viewpoints on the management of the BWCA and its effect on its periphery.
10/09/2011 03:21PM
No, burntsider, I don't think the oath means that we all have to agree. To me, and I believe to most (all?) of us, it means that we need to be able to disagree without name-calling, belittling, demeaning, and presenting our own point as though it is the only point that can possibly be correct or sensible.
And sometimes we fall short of that. Sometimes we apologize. But we are trying to keep it civil and respect the dignity of every individual.
And sometimes we fall short of that. Sometimes we apologize. But we are trying to keep it civil and respect the dignity of every individual.
10/24/2011 10:50AM
quote Spartan2: "To me, and I believe to most (all?) of us, it means that we need to be able to disagree without name-calling, belittling, demeaning, and presenting our own point as though it is the only point that can possibly be correct or sensible.
And sometimes we fall short of that. Sometimes we apologize. But we are trying to keep it civil and respect the dignity of every individual."
Well said, Spartan2. And fortunately, this board is full of people who generally abide by those words. Makes it pretty easy to be a moderator.
Thanks to everyone here on the board.
"Keep close to Nature's heart, yourself; and break clear away, once in a while, and climb a mountain or spend a week in the woods. Wash your spirit clean." ~ John Muir
10/26/2011 02:52AM
I agree Kip, and thank you for the trip report Red Rock to Alpine to Seagull. Took my 4 year old son for his first trip this year and used your trip report as a guide. Great times had by all. He can't wait to go again next year!! I can't wait either.
10/26/2011 11:58AM
quote bigdriver: "I'm out we cant all agree"
I don't think that necessarily means you have to be out... we can agree to disagree :-)
I generally enjoy reading all the different points of view but move on when the flames start.
Count me in!
06/23/2012 07:16AM
Time renew my pledge. As to the tone of some posts, I remember when I was a lurker or new member one poster seemed very intimidating to me. When I REALLY needed help he was the first to reply with straight,accurate and important(to me) information. I went to my first wing night to thank him and found he was nothing like I imagined. I now consider him a very good friend and look forward to our infrequent meetings.
rookie in 03
06/23/2012 04:19PM
So long as I can reserve the right to disagree, I am in. The way we write is important. I am fairly thick skinned and have not felt any sharp pain due to posts I have given although I suppose in hindsight offense could have been taken had I wanted to do so.
the greatest come backs are reserved for those with the greatest deficits.
06/23/2012 05:21PM
quote bwcadan: "So long as I can reserve the right to disagree, I am in. The way we write is important. I am fairly thick skinned and have not felt any sharp pain due to posts I have given although I suppose in hindsight offense could have been taken had I wanted to do so."
bwcadan, so long as I can reserve the right have you never disagree with me, I am also in.
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
06/23/2012 08:40PM
I still had a few months to go on my last enlistment but I'll re-up ahead of schedule since I can't count on this thread magically appearing again, at the end of my current tour.
The business of life is the acquisition of memories. In the end that's all there is. ___Mr Carson (Downton Abby)
06/24/2012 05:19PM
Very interesting. I like that this got brought up to the top. As a newbie is says that when things are getting a little dicy that members care enough to talk about it. I have seen other forums go completely under when issues are not addressed.
Cool! I'm in, of course.
Cool! I'm in, of course.
10/30/2012 07:19PM
Of all the threads that I have read in the last couple years this one sticks out the most to me. I figure its about time I sign my name onto it as well. Count me in!
"The world is big, and I want to get a good look at it before it gets dark". John Muir
10/31/2012 04:57PM
quote Grandma L: "I'm in, but isn't this a given.
My favorite BWCA travelers are always respectful of fellow paddlers and the environment so this is not a new concept!!! Shouldn't this be automatic and second nature to all of us?!
"
+1
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy!
11/03/2012 06:28AM
As a fairly new member I took some really harsh comments from some members when I asked their feelings were about buying a certain solo canoe and it not only hurt but it left a really bitter taste in my heart for them, but I was taught to respect other peoples ideas and go with my gut feeling, I bought that solo and man I cant wait to get it back on the water next year. FRED Of course I pledge to never do to anyone else what those very few people did to me.
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked, the good fourtune to remember the ones do, and the eyesight to tell the differance.
11/03/2012 09:14PM
Im glad you stayed with this website Fog, dont let the 1% ruin it for you, there are way too many good people here, and you will see that over time. p.s. Welcome if I havent already said so .
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
02/05/2013 11:48AM
quote Kiporby:
Adam and the moderators have created a wonderful site for us to exchange ideas, stories, experiences and even a few laughs. Sadly, I fear that the site is becoming more and more angry and critical than it was when I joined. It would sadden me if this trend continues.
Please join me by pledging to treat all members (new and old) with dignity and respect. Remember, we were all "newbies" at one point and all of us still have much to learn. The wilderness is a wonderful place that teaches us many life lessons including Humility. Let us remember the lessons we have learned in God's country and try to live them in the forum, in the chat room and in our everyday lives."
Nicely done Sir! Count me in.
Hans Solo
Water reflects not only clouds and trees and cliffs, but all the infinite variations of mind and spirit we bring to it. – Sigurd Olson
02/05/2013 01:35PM
I note with interest that another popular paddling bulletin board has recently regurgitated a similar appeal for respect and decency. This seems to me to be more than a mere coincidence. I too am concerned and join the many members who have already pledged not to engage in such behaviour.
Another Appeal for Respect and Decency
Another Appeal for Respect and Decency
02/05/2013 10:58PM
I'll not do it. too much "j'ascuse" implied.
I do promise to be as fair and welcoming as I can.
BUt as for dignity, well, I'd have to have some; and respect, well, what goes around comes around. :)
I do promise to be as fair and welcoming as I can.
BUt as for dignity, well, I'd have to have some; and respect, well, what goes around comes around. :)
You say that like it's a bad thing.
02/06/2013 01:18AM
I haven't been on this site to long, have asked some less than great questions, have always tried to give honest advice,and have almost always been treated with respectful answerers. I simply will not be disrespectful to anyone, that was not the way I was raised, that is my pledge. FRED
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked, the good fourtune to remember the ones do, and the eyesight to tell the differance.
01/06/2014 10:26AM
Great site.
Speaking strictly for myself; I try to avoid controversial subject matter. I do not come here to promote any personal/political agenda, or to argue needlessly, or create much ado, over matters of little consequence in the grand scheme of things.
I try to treat people with respect; even people I don't know. I have the expectation that I will receive the same respect.
I come to the site to have fun, and hopefully learn some things I don't know.
Therefore, you can count me in.............
BOB
Speaking strictly for myself; I try to avoid controversial subject matter. I do not come here to promote any personal/political agenda, or to argue needlessly, or create much ado, over matters of little consequence in the grand scheme of things.
I try to treat people with respect; even people I don't know. I have the expectation that I will receive the same respect.
I come to the site to have fun, and hopefully learn some things I don't know.
Therefore, you can count me in.............
BOB
01/06/2014 08:51PM
I'm sort of in on this, except when it concerns global warming deniers. Oh and mining near the BWCA advocates too. I just can't respect those opinions but in the spirit of this website I will try to treat them with civility. Primitive men are combative by nature so treat my posts with caution. They are always uncompromisingly honest though.
Jon
Jon
04/30/2014 01:38PM
Not that much time has passed since the most recent post in this thread, nor even since my own renewal, but somehow I felt the need to re-up once more. Here's to those who uphold Kiporby's pledge, placed in front of us some 5 years back.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." -- Yogi Berra
04/30/2014 02:16PM
I have sure enjoyed the friendly interaction I've experienced on this forum. Have also gained much important knowledge and even found an item or two to buy. Thanks to all of you!
I, too pledge to be civil and respectful. That being said, I also hope not to shy away from lively debate! My family doesn't quite get it: They think that each time I share a thought or opinion that contradicts a previous post, I'm "trolling." To the contrary, I think the exchange of different ideas, varying opinions, and ways of seeing things benefits us all and if my comment sparks a reply, then great!
The one time I can think of that I let my anger show was in reply to someone who had posted that while on a BWCA trip they planned to ignore the fishing limits, as they had done in the past, since it was so unlikely that they'd be caught. They felt that since they did not agree with the regulations, they had a right to break the rules and dared the rangers to catch and fine them. I was rather incredulous that someone would post this information, as I think most others on this forum would be as well, and I'm pretty confident that I would have near universal support if I replied the same way (I will) if a similar post ever happens again (I doubt that it will). I did not hesitate to tell that person that I did not respect such an attitude. BUT...and rather importantly, I believe I did remain civil about it and in all off this that is what I think we are all hoping for on BWCA.com
I, too pledge to be civil and respectful. That being said, I also hope not to shy away from lively debate! My family doesn't quite get it: They think that each time I share a thought or opinion that contradicts a previous post, I'm "trolling." To the contrary, I think the exchange of different ideas, varying opinions, and ways of seeing things benefits us all and if my comment sparks a reply, then great!
The one time I can think of that I let my anger show was in reply to someone who had posted that while on a BWCA trip they planned to ignore the fishing limits, as they had done in the past, since it was so unlikely that they'd be caught. They felt that since they did not agree with the regulations, they had a right to break the rules and dared the rangers to catch and fine them. I was rather incredulous that someone would post this information, as I think most others on this forum would be as well, and I'm pretty confident that I would have near universal support if I replied the same way (I will) if a similar post ever happens again (I doubt that it will). I did not hesitate to tell that person that I did not respect such an attitude. BUT...and rather importantly, I believe I did remain civil about it and in all off this that is what I think we are all hoping for on BWCA.com
04/30/2014 04:12PM
quote bottomtothetap: "The one time I can think of that I let my anger show was in reply to someone who had posted that while on a BWCA trip they planned to ignore the fishing limits, as they had done in the past, since it was so unlikely that they'd be caught. They felt that since they did not agree with the regulations, they had a right to break the rules and dared the rangers to catch and fine them. I was rather incredulous that someone would post this information, as I think most others on this forum would be as well, and I'm pretty confident that I would have near universal support if I replied the same way (I will) if a similar post ever happens again (I doubt that it will). I did not hesitate to tell that person that I did not respect such an attitude. BUT...and rather importantly, I believe I did remain civil about it and in all off this that is what I think we are all hoping for on BWCA.com "
I was in that thread and I agree that you showed anger in a civil fashion. We can express displeasure or even opprobrium and still do so with a civil tongue.
LNT - The road to success is always under construction. http://hikingillinois.blogspot.com/
04/30/2014 10:50PM
I pledge to treat others with dignity and respect. I hope I have not offended anyone. I love this site.its like information on steroids. I still bust a gut on that thread about weed and that Barney Fife nip it in the bud video..
Ah retired @ 50
06/28/2015 09:28AM
I rededicate my commitment to The Oath of Dignity and Respect. Anyone can be inarticulate at times including myself, and I will make every to respond in a positive fashion or refrain from responding. I agree to disagree, and do not want to squelch anyone's opinion. I have learned much from the collective wisdom of this community.
06/28/2015 08:33PM
quote Kiporby:"I think too many of us forget that the username you are conversing with or responding to is actually another human being. "
Which is why I use my name. I have always found "usernames" to simply reflect back to the days of CB radios when we used 'handles' to disguise our true identity, or to be very immature as a minimum.
I don't care what you say. It's childish.
I spend a great deal of my time in the cyber world for many business and professional reasons.
Many of the newer web sites I belong to REQUIRE that we use our real names and identities in our on-line profiles.
It cuts the b.s. to nearly zero.
06/28/2015 11:11PM
Im in. For those that have been here for awhile scroll through the names from the top, some nostalgia there from the members that are no longer with us.
" I want to know Gods thoughts , The rest are details " Albert Einstein. WWJD
06/29/2015 07:07AM
I'm in and thankful to have this site, it's like a post-graduate degree in camping and canoeing. For instance, I learned when I joined a few years back that FIB means Friendly Illinois Brother.
Thanks moderators and contributors, even though I don't add much (to everyone's benefit!), I check this site every day. I have absolutely changed the way I camp and canoe because of it.
Dave
Thanks moderators and contributors, even though I don't add much (to everyone's benefit!), I check this site every day. I have absolutely changed the way I camp and canoe because of it.
Dave
06/29/2015 06:54PM
quote RetiredDave: "I'm in and thankful to have this site, it's like a post-graduate degree in camping and canoeing. For instance, I learned when I joined a few years back that FIB means Friendly Illinois Brother.Yes, brother.
Thanks moderators and contributors, even though I don't add much (to everyone's benefit!), I check this site every day. I have absolutely changed the way I camp and canoe because of it.
Dave"
Buy the ticket, take the ride .Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
06/29/2015 09:10PM
I totally agree. I feel the same. I came here a couple of years ago to help be prepared for my first outfitted trip. Now, thanks to what I learned here from others experiences, I have my own gear, plan more trips and take my kids because I am comfortable doing it with the knowledge I gained here. Thanks to all those who contribute to the community. I hope that someday when I am an experienced paddler, I can offer the same help to other "newbies" like I once was.
07/05/2016 07:22PM
I would love to pay this forward!
You guys never make me feel stupid. Yeah -Butthead often suggests doing a "search" on said posted topic.... that's been covered, but I liken that to my E6 in the Navy - who often made me do the research myself - which then - I learned faster, and retained better.
Regardless.... you've all provided me invaluable advice, and I just have to give a HUGE shout out to:
Cowdoc - You always give me the best advice, and chat with me at night - and I appreciate that! (even though you get annoyed at me for not responding, or being distracted with wine/chickens when you come into the chat room)
Canoearoo - you've become a "real life" friend, and I appreciate your friendship and your family so much!!!!
Basspro69 - for speaking matters of faith with me
Kiporby - for making me call you LT. Dan. My family referred to me as LT Dan when I went into the Navy - so I find it charming.
Bogwalker - for the rare lunchtime chat
520Eek - for chatting me up - late at night - and "watching" North Country with me.
Ducks - again - for providing invaluable advice! My daughter is excited to hang out with your daughters at wing night again!
Dan Cooke - your product line is bare none!
SevenOfNine - Thank you for your winter camping advice which made my first cold - tent trip a success! (And everyone else who commented on my post.)
And everyone else who has given me advice and encouragement. You've enriched my trips, and keep me excited!
You guys never make me feel stupid. Yeah -Butthead often suggests doing a "search" on said posted topic.... that's been covered, but I liken that to my E6 in the Navy - who often made me do the research myself - which then - I learned faster, and retained better.
Regardless.... you've all provided me invaluable advice, and I just have to give a HUGE shout out to:
Cowdoc - You always give me the best advice, and chat with me at night - and I appreciate that! (even though you get annoyed at me for not responding, or being distracted with wine/chickens when you come into the chat room)
Canoearoo - you've become a "real life" friend, and I appreciate your friendship and your family so much!!!!
Basspro69 - for speaking matters of faith with me
Kiporby - for making me call you LT. Dan. My family referred to me as LT Dan when I went into the Navy - so I find it charming.
Bogwalker - for the rare lunchtime chat
520Eek - for chatting me up - late at night - and "watching" North Country with me.
Ducks - again - for providing invaluable advice! My daughter is excited to hang out with your daughters at wing night again!
Dan Cooke - your product line is bare none!
SevenOfNine - Thank you for your winter camping advice which made my first cold - tent trip a success! (And everyone else who commented on my post.)
And everyone else who has given me advice and encouragement. You've enriched my trips, and keep me excited!
“The Wilderness holds answers to more questions than we have yet learned to ask.” - Nancy Newhall
12/16/2016 10:14AM
Never taken the oath before but I am in.
I try to always be civil, but if I am taking the oath, then I must apologize for a past transgression to riverrunner, I realize we are both passionate about bears.
Sorry riverrunner.
I try to always be civil, but if I am taking the oath, then I must apologize for a past transgression to riverrunner, I realize we are both passionate about bears.
Sorry riverrunner.
May the rivers be crooked and winding, and your portages lonesome, leading to the most amazing view.
12/16/2016 11:27AM
Very nicely put Kip, and thank you for the reminder. I completely agree and pledge, along with you. Everyone has an opinion, that opinion may not align with yours, but as I have grown older, I have figured out I have learned more when I listened to differing opinions rather than contesting them. Never be afraid to learn something new...
A vacation day not on the water, might as well be a work day...
12/16/2016 05:16PM
quote LindenTree3: "Never taken the oath before but I am in.
I try to always be civil, but if I am taking the oath, then I must apologize for a past transgression to riverrunner, I realize we are both passionate about bears.
Sorry riverrunner."
You do much more than try. You are the epitome of civility.
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
12/16/2016 10:17PM
Never have because I probably will break it, still working at tempering thoughts and opinions. It's been a long process.
Mostly just want to thank Lindsey for what I consider the biggest compliment I have received. Obviously I do not read all posts often enough, so it is belated!
Never want to sound condescending, the wealth of advise that has been given here by members is something I promote and research often. I encourage others to do also because past members who have contributed may no longer be here....
Thanks!
butthead
Mostly just want to thank Lindsey for what I consider the biggest compliment I have received. Obviously I do not read all posts often enough, so it is belated!
Never want to sound condescending, the wealth of advise that has been given here by members is something I promote and research often. I encourage others to do also because past members who have contributed may no longer be here....
Thanks!
butthead
"never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" George Carlin
12/17/2016 09:22AM
and not just while posting here...
Interesting story...
My wife and I are not very religious folks. We used to be church going Roman Catholics, but for a variety of reasons, we left that organization about 30 years ago. We have been asked, "How can you teach your children to be good people when you abandon your faith?"
I think we've done OK in that department.
Recently, our youngest child, now a college freshman, was presented with a situation at school that required him to make a significant choice about his future. Things were apparently happening in his chosen department that he felt were immoral and unacceptable. Now he could have made a big stink and filed grievances, etc. But he felt that doing so could injure the reputations and careers of some folks who might not have been involved. He chose to make a few quiet, private statements and then he withdrew from the program. Now he will have a significantly different career than he originally planned.
He chose dignity and respect even at his expense.
I am so damn proud of that young man I could just about bust!
Interesting story...
My wife and I are not very religious folks. We used to be church going Roman Catholics, but for a variety of reasons, we left that organization about 30 years ago. We have been asked, "How can you teach your children to be good people when you abandon your faith?"
I think we've done OK in that department.
Recently, our youngest child, now a college freshman, was presented with a situation at school that required him to make a significant choice about his future. Things were apparently happening in his chosen department that he felt were immoral and unacceptable. Now he could have made a big stink and filed grievances, etc. But he felt that doing so could injure the reputations and careers of some folks who might not have been involved. He chose to make a few quiet, private statements and then he withdrew from the program. Now he will have a significantly different career than he originally planned.
He chose dignity and respect even at his expense.
I am so damn proud of that young man I could just about bust!
LNT - The road to success is always under construction. http://hikingillinois.blogspot.com/
04/22/2021 05:53PM
I have not been here in a very long time. I remember when Kip first posted this, it sure seems like so long ago in a very different time. Seeing the posts from people I used to interact with every night, especially the ones who are no longer with us... wow. Emotional.
Absolutely on board now, as then, but the squabbles that would arise from time to time, which caused Kip to post this, were so mild compared to today's world.
Hello again to all the old friends and to all of today's members. This is one great place.
Absolutely on board now, as then, but the squabbles that would arise from time to time, which caused Kip to post this, were so mild compared to today's world.
Hello again to all the old friends and to all of today's members. This is one great place.
02/18/2023 11:04AM
Great thread to bring up yearly. We just went through a rough patch on another site. Some people like to bring contentious issues to sites about places that people go to find peace and personal renewal just to stir things up. Fortunately both that and this site have moderators that keep things on track and try to focus on promoting the forum as a place where people feel safe making comments and asking questions that will help people enjoy the areas we are discussing. Way to go everyone who helps make this site what it is. Always good to remind people we can be better.
Also, kind of sad seeing so many names of people from the past 16 years that are gone. I appreciate all that are still here to help me remember trips that have been and dream of trips still to come.
Also, kind of sad seeing so many names of people from the past 16 years that are gone. I appreciate all that are still here to help me remember trips that have been and dream of trips still to come.
"Geography is just physics slowed down, with a couple of trees stuck in it." Terry Pratchett
02/18/2023 03:18PM
Whenever one of these "bumps" comes up I realize that even though I think I read a lot on this site, I must miss a lot, too. Didn't realize that there had been any conflicts. Hope it wasn't anything too serious, and that hurt feelings have healed.
02/19/2023 02:31AM
bobbernumber3: "Aw hell... I'm gonna stay the same as I am and not pledge to be any different. I just upped my yearly contribution $5 to cover any insults or hurt feelings inflicted on others from my thoughful posts!"
Wow! You must be a mean, insulting, hurtful, person of some unrecognizable gender. ;)
Go ahead... hurt my feelings.
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly
02/19/2023 10:48AM
Stumpy: "bobbernumber3: "Aw hell... I'm gonna stay the same as I am and not pledge to be any different. I just upped my yearly contribution $5 to cover any insults or hurt feelings inflicted on others from my thoughful posts!"
Wow! You must be a mean, insulting, hurtful, person of some unrecognizable gender. ;)
Go ahead.... hurt my feelings "
I tend to be blunt and honest. And probably opinionated, which comes with age. I'm hoping my post would make people aware of the need to support this website financially.
04/07/2023 12:16PM
A bunch of posts deleted this morning, including mine reminding members of this oath. I wish people would think twice before condemning someone else's views. We don't have to agree, but stick to the subject instead of launching personal attacks. At the risk of being accused of bringing politics into this, we don't all have to stoop to the level of personal attacks of our elected leaders and representatives.
04/17/2023 09:18PM
My pleasure to take the oath! Peace and Love to all!
I must say, in my few years as more of a lurker through now, this community and the mods do a pretty stand-up job with the handful of users who must not be concerned much with Dignity and Respect.
Peace and Love to all!
I must say, in my few years as more of a lurker through now, this community and the mods do a pretty stand-up job with the handful of users who must not be concerned much with Dignity and Respect.
Peace and Love to all!
04/18/2023 09:49AM
Basspro69: "In my opinion this is the best post I’ve ever read on this site !"
C'mon! It's not better than the post immediately below:
Basspro69 rocks!
You gotta love ^this^ post more, right?
I will paddle eternal, Kevlar and carbon.
04/18/2023 01:29PM
I don't feel I need to take any oath, as it is common sense that I have always abided by here. Light fun is ok, but any attack is not, even on unique opinions. I have only been "confronted" once in the last 10+ years and that was when I asked about flags in camps which went a bit viral on opinions, that thankfully Adam shut down. I was looking for peoples opinion but it got very out of hand. 95% of everything on this site has made my experience in the BWCA better, which I why I donate.
Be well
3R
Be well
3R
04/20/2023 07:37PM
I pledge to treat all of you with dignity and respect, to be an upbeat and joyful presence here, and to support each and every one of you on life’s great adventures here in the Boundary Waters.
Thanks so much for being here at this outpost that I return to every year for good company and great information.
You guys rock
LaVirginienne
Thanks so much for being here at this outpost that I return to every year for good company and great information.
You guys rock
LaVirginienne
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